Ryzen 9 7950x idles at 55/60C

[imSebbbbb]

Since I have this processor, motherboard and AIO I've always had these temperatures, I tried to update the bios, remount the AIO but nothing has changed.
I have had this problem since I got these components at launch.
Is there anyone who has had the same problem as me and knows how I could solve it?

CPU: Ryzen 9 7950x
MOBO: Asus ROG CROSSHAIR x670E HERO
AIO: EK-AIO Basic 360mm with Nactua NF-12 Black

 

[Macro Device]

Your CPU snacks on watts like no tomorrow, your energy saving features don't work. Either they're disabled (so you just enable them) or something is broken. This is okay for the CPU to be this warm while consuming this much power. Check your software and BIOS configuration.

 

[imSebbbbb]

Your CPU snacks on watts like no tomorrow, your energy saving features don't work. Either they're disabled (so you just enable them) or something is broken. This is okay for the CPU to be this warm while consuming this much power. Check your software and BIOS configuration.

I tried to set the bios settings to default and even reinstalling windows but the power consumption remains the same, the power plan is currently set to balanced.

With and without PBO its the same situation

 

[Makalite]

 

[A Computer Guy]

Since I have this processor, motherboard and AIO I've always had these temperatures, I tried to update the bios, remount the AIO but nothing has changed.
I have had this problem since I got these components at launch.
Is there anyone who has had the same problem as me and knows how I could solve it?

CPU: Ryzen 9 7950x
MOBO: Asus ROG CROSSHAIR x670E HERO
AIO: EK-AIO Basic 360mm with Nactua NF-12 Black

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Does seem a tad high but may depend on varying factors such as ambient temps, contact pressure, alignment of the cold plate on the CPU, effectiveness of the cold plate or cooling solution, thermal paste, and if you have processes triggering boosting, and probably some other things I haven't thought of at the moment.

On my current 7950x setup (see side bar) I'm idling about 47c (with 2 VM's running in the background at 2% CPU utilization) with as warm ambient about 32c (drawing about 36w PPT). That's 2 x 360 rads, 6 fans about 1100rpm, medium D5 pump speed, -5 Curve Optimizer all core, and partial AM5 offset mounting.

 

[imSebbbbb]

Does seem a tad high but may depend on varying factors such as ambient temps, contact pressure, alignment of the cold plate on the CPU, effectiveness of the cold plate or cooling solution, thermal paste, and if you have processes triggering boosting, and probably some other things I haven't thought of at the moment.

On my current 7950x setup (see side bar) I'm idling about 47c (with 2 VM's running in the background at 2% CPU utilization) with ambient about 32c (drawing about 36w PPT). That's 2 x 360 rads, 6 fans about 1100rpm, medium D5 pump speed, -5 Curve Optimizer all core, and partial AM5 offset mounting.

I also have a -15 curve inside PBO and I’m also using an AM5 offset mount.
My ambient temperature is 28C (so even lower than yours) and I checked the mount multiple times.
The problem is the power consumption at this point, I have no idea on why it’s that high.

 

[imSebbbbb]

Nothing i can do about it, even with a fresh windows install its like that.

 

[A Computer Guy]

I also have a -15 curve inside PBO and I’m also using an AM5 offset mount.
My ambient temperature is 28C (so even lower than yours) and I checked the mount multiple times.
The problem is the power consumption at this point, I have no idea on why it’s that high.

Your pulling a little more that twice my PPT in watts (per your screenshot) which suggests maybe some processes is boosting. Kill and/or stop any unnecessary apps and services and see if your temp and PPT usage goes down.

 

[imSebbbbb]

Your pulling a little more that twice my PPT in watts which suggests maybe some processes is boosting. Kill and/or stop any unnecessary apps and services and see if your temp and PPT goes down.

I said that with a FRESH windows install the power consumption its the same, the lowest that it will go is 50w with a temp of 55C but as soon as i move the cursor the power jumps to 60 or even 70/80.
But yes i tried, nothing changed.

 

[Macro Device]

Meaning something isn't right with your BIOS settings. Or BIOS itself. Ever tried updating the BIOS?

 

[imSebbbbb]

Meaning something isn't right with your BIOS settings. Or BIOS itself. Ever tried updating the BIOS?

As i said, yes, i even tried multiple version

 

[Macro Device]

Could be a defective CPU. Can you borrow something and test it on your machine?

 

[A Computer Guy]

I said that with a FRESH windows install the power consumption its the same, the lowest that it will go is 50w with a temp of 55C but as soon as i move the cursor the power jumps to 60 or even 70/80.
But yes i tried, nothing changed.

Have you tried both Windows 10 and 11 just to see if it's OS related?

 

[imSebbbbb]

Have you tried both Windows 10 and 11 just to see if it's OS related?

Yes, same behavior

Could be a defective CPU. Can you borrow something and test it on your machine?

Don't think i can do that no, i have no idea where i can borrow such thing honestly

 

[A Computer Guy]

With PBO off what are your max values for CPU TDC (a), CPU EDC (a), and CPU PPT (w) running Cinebench 2024 multicore?

 

[freeagent]

I would try a different cooler. 60% of your thermal limit happens with like 10% of your PPT limit.

Pretty cruddy.

 

[DLAV]

What if you kill nzxt cam?

 

[imSebbbbb]

What if you kill nzxt cam?

First of all i need it, but yea i tried, nothing happened

I would try a different cooler. 60% of your thermal limit happens with like 10% of your PPT limit.

Pretty cruddy.

Yeah but i don't have another aio just to try it

With PBO off what are your max values for CPU TDC (a), CPU EDC (a), and CPU PPT (w) running Cinebench 2024 multicore?

After 1 run of R24

After 1 run of R23

Idle with PBO disabled and a room temp of 25C, still 44w and 50/55 with spikes to 60C, doing nothing (after a couple of minutes the power consumption goes to 55/60 anyways and the temps to 60/65)

It seems strange to me that just by enabling pbo i get 75 to 95 watts in idle

 

[A Computer Guy]

First of all i need it, but yea i tried, nothing happened


Yeah but i don't have another aio just to try it


After 1 run of R24

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After 1 run of R23

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Idle with PBO disabled and a room temp of 25C, still 44w and 50/55 with spikes to 60C, doing nothing (after a couple of minutes the power consumption goes to 55/60 anyways and the temps to 60/65)

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It seems strange to me that just by enabling pbo i get 75 to 95 watts in idle

Between our systems
- CPU PTT peaks at about the same 193w vs. 191w
- CPU TDC peaks at about the same 128 amps vs. 131amps

EDC is a bit different my 167 amps vs. your 183 amps

In PBO try restricting your EDC to 160 to 170 amps. In Zen3 lowering EDC reduces temps but too much can kill boost clocks. I think the same should apply to Zen4.

 

[imSebbbbb]

Between our systems
- CPU PTT peaks at about the same 193w vs. 191w
- CPU TDC peaks at about the same 128 amps vs. 131amps

EDC is a bit different my 167 amps vs. your 183 amps

In PBO try restricting your EDC to 160 to 170 amps. In Zen3 lowering EDC reduces temps but too much can kill boost clocks. I think the same should apply to Zen4.

Idle its the problem, so I don’t really care about 100% load

 

[A Computer Guy]

Idle its the problem, so I don’t really care about 100% load

Oof your right. I got caught up in a tangent. Sorry for the confusion.

I think the bottom line is your pulling more power at "idle" so your running hotter.

Not sure if it will make a difference but in PBO what is your scalar set to? If AUTO force it to 1x and see what happens otherwise I'm out of ideas other then trying a different cooler but that doesn't address why your chip is pulling more power.

(edit...one day later)

I had a new thought. Windows Update triggered for me tonight and after reboot I was getting high idle temps now 55c to 65c. I fired up Ryzen Master in advanced mode to see what kind of activity the cores were doing and sure enough I was seeing 2 cores swapping around pegging it to 5.5Ghz while the others were mostly sleeping. Looking at task manager "Connected User Experiences and Telemetry" was indicated red in the power usage column as using high power and was going all ham on my system so I set the service to manual and rebooted. Now I'm back to yesterdays behavior. I forgot it was patch Tuesday.

Anyway back to my original thought that something was boosting on your system keeping your temps high. Install Ryzen Master and confirm if cores are boosting by looking at the advanced view where it shows core activity. Also look at task manager and see if any apps are indicating high power usage.

 

[imSebbbbb]

Oof your right. I got caught up in a tangent. Sorry for the confusion.

I think the bottom line is your pulling more power at "idle" so your running hotter.

Not sure if it will make a difference but in PBO what is your scalar set to? If AUTO force it to 1x and see what happens otherwise I'm out of ideas other then trying a different cooler but that doesn't address why your chip is pulling more power.

(edit...one day later)

I had a new thought. Windows Update triggered for me tonight and after reboot I was getting high idle temps now 55c to 65c. I fired up Ryzen Master in advanced mode to see what kind of activity the cores were doing and sure enough I was seeing 2 cores swapping around pegging it to 5.5Ghz while the others were mostly sleeping. Looking at task manager "Connected User Experiences and Telemetry" was indicated red in the power usage column as using high power and was going all ham on my system so I set the service to manual and rebooted. Now I'm back to yesterdays behavior. I forgot it was patch Tuesday.

Anyway back to my original thought that something was boosting on your system keeping your temps high. Install Ryzen Master and confirm if cores are boosting by looking at the advanced view where it shows core activity. Also look at task manager and see if any apps are indicating high power usage.

I’ll check tomorrow and I’ll come back to u, thanks

 

[phanbuey]

AMD idle is always high but tbh doesn't matter --- what are you loading at?

My laptop idles at like 75C so you still have some room

 

[imSebbbbb]

AMD idle is always high but tbh doesn't matter --- what are you loading at?

My laptop idles at like 75C so you still have some room

It’s a desktop cpu and yes it does matter, energy where I live costs a lot (Italy) and if my cpu idles at 60C my room consequently gets warmer and warmer and to keep it at a reasonable temp I have to use even more energy.
Considering that I use my pc a lot for a lot of things during the day.

It’s normal for a laptop to have higher idle temps but u have to keep in mind that it doesn’t consume as much as a desktop CPU, its simply due to the fact that it has a small air cooler and its often used on a non optimal surface.

 

[phanbuey]

It’s a desktop cpu and yes it does matter, energy where I live costs a lot (Italy) and if my cpu idles at 60C my room consequently gets warmer and warmer and to keep it at a reasonable temp I have to use even more energy.
Considering that I use my pc a lot for a lot of things during the day.

You're consuming 45W in idle which is normal for AM5 - my 9800x3d was consuming ~ 40W with half the cores, so it's not an energy problem -- it's a heat transfer problem.

Also at that wattage it's having no impact on your room temperature either at 45W, unless you live in a closet.