Safe operating temperature for Samsung 980 pro 1/2 TB?

[Tomgang]

First I will say, I know that Gen 4 nvme SSD's runs hot in general do to the speed of these gen 4 SSD can reach. I have mounted the motherboard heatsink for SSD on it and pedaled the protective plast of the thermal pad before I put it on the SSD. I will also mention that do to different time line in my country and US. I will not answer back before hours from now. Work is calling.

But I am still a bit concerned about ilde and load temp for especially the Samsung 980 pro 1 tb SSD I have in my mini-itx system. Samsung magician says when SSD reaches 57 degrees celsius is to high and crystal disk info comes with the warning sound from 60 degrees celsius.

You can see the setup below. The mini-itx is at the bottom of the case. SSD is below the gpu and cpu cooler. So it basically doesn't get the best of air flow.

http://imgur.com/a/PnlxCrx

Now to the temp.

Ilde it sits at 51 to 58 degrees celsius after the heatsink has optained some heat and peaked in ilde depending on outside temperature and doing some light load on the SSD like opening programs and such. It's in the middle of the summer in my country now. So that doesn't help on SSD temp either.

At gaming it gets up to around 62-63 degrees celsius and bear in mind that games are not loaded from this SSD. Games are on another sata SSD. But temp are probably higher do to cpu and especially gpu generating more heat. So that might be the reason for the higher ilde temp while gaming.

Now with heavy load on the ssd like a few crystal disk mark runs I've seen it peak at 68 degrees celsius. With out high temperatures from gpu or cpu.

Samsung says operating temp is between 0 and 70 degrees celsius. But I also read that high SSD temp degrades the SSD faster.

Now a fact I tried out. At ilde but forcing the cpu fan to full speed, I can get the SSD down to 46 degrees celsius from 57 degrees celsius I tested it at ilde. So there are definitely a airflow strangle here. But it's hard to do anything about it cause of the limited space and access to the SSD. So I cut give the SSD a better airflow by running the cpu fan at higher speed. But it also gives more noise. Perhaps I should mention as well that the above ilde, gaming and heavy load temp is with the cpu fan at 30 % pwn or 1000 rpm and test from 57 to 47 degrees is with cpu fan at 100 % pwm signal or 2450 rpm.

So are the above temp safe to run it at or shut i run the cpu fan at higher rpm for the sake of the SSD life span. Would appreciate info from people who knows about this properly. Cause it's really mixed info I get from Google. Some say it fine but not ideal and other says SSD degrating faster at temp above 50 degrees celsius. So what to really believe.

 

[plastiscɧ]

too high imo. under load mine are working around 45°C-50°C.


you can only do the following:
better or other thermal pads? the ones I have installed have a fairly high heat dissipation value.
I have also chosen quite thick because I wanted to make sure that they make contact with the metal outside properly and that there is no gap between them to ensure the thermal bridge is optimal.

higher airflow in the case. and optimally dissipate the heat!
please let your cpu cooler run independently from the airflow in the case. they have other things to do.

my 980 is also under the graphics card.

indipendent from that we could even discuss creating an opimal airflow.. i made subopimal things as well in the past, was not aware of it.
for example: your CPU cooler - you have watercooling?

or air?

 

[Tomgang]

too high imo. under load mine are working around 45°C-50°C.


you can only do the following:
better or other thermal pads? the ones I have installed have a fairly high heat dissipation value.
I have also chosen quite thick because I wanted to make sure that they make contact with the metal outside properly and that there is no gap between them to ensure the thermal bridge is optimal.

higher airflow in the case. and optimally dissipate the heat!
please let your cpu cooler run independently from the airflow in the case. they have other things to do.

my 980 is also under the graphics card.

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indipendent from that we could even discuss creating an opimal airflow.. i made subopimal things as well in the past, was not aware of it.
for example: your CPU cooler - you have watercooling?

or air?

I'm using the stock thermal pad coming with the motherboard and that is Asus rog strix b550-i gaming mini-itx. But it might be a good idea to try other thermal pads.

Airflow is plenty in the case. Look at the image above if you not already haven't. Cpu cooler is running independently of case fans. Cpu cooler is controlled by cpu temperature. It's all air cooled. No water at all.

It's just that the mini-itx system is so crampt that airflow is very restricted on the SSD. Air flow is mainly coming from the cpu cooler. So that why I am thinking of running the cpu fan at higher rpm. It's really the only thing I can do to help the poor SSD to get rid of some of the heat or I cut changes the SSD to m. 2 sata SSD. It will be slower but also running cooler.

 

[plastiscɧ]

im using the stock thermal pad coming

replace them!
these crappy thingis i would not use to for a sufficient result.
the golden pads e.g. have more passive power than certain thermal pastes have.
one package is enough to cover 2 SSD. u can cut them in shape

but the bronze should be enough for your issue

200$ SSD - but do not try to save money at the wrong place by using any "crap"
The person which buys cheap buys twice

nice PC btw! i like it!


do you blow the air into the case or do you discharge it by vacuum?

eh mate, rly? do my eyes see 11! case fans?

look this is the way i would sort the vent-stream-directions, if not already done.
u have amazing opportunities.

but i guess your issue are the thermal pads. i am pretty sure.
key is the thickness of those pads to get very good contact to the metal and i mean they absorb even more cus of their bare size.
i am very interested if it worked out well, would u report some time?

gratz to that machine.

 

[Tomgang]

replace them!
these crappy thingis i would not use to for a sufficient result.
the golden pads e.g. have more passive power than certain thermal pastes have.
one package is enough to cover 2 SSD. u can cut them in shape

but the bronze should be enough for your issue

200$ SSD - but do not try to save money at the wrong place by using any "crap"
The person which buys cheap buys twice

nice PC btw! i like it!


do you blow the air into the case or do you discharge it by vacuum?

eh mate, rly? do my eyes see 11! case fans?


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look this is the way i would sort the vent-stream-directions, if not already done.
u have amazing opportunities.

but i guess your issue are the thermal pads. i am pretty sure.
key is the thickness of those pads to get very good contact to the metal and i mean they absorb even more cus of their bare size.
i am very interested if it worked out well, would u report some time?

gratz to that machine.

I cut try other thermal pads. It just a pain to get in to the SSD again. But will see if I will have to get in to it.

About case fans. Yes there are 12 case fans. But not all are running at the same time unless both systems are turned on. Each system is controling 6 fans. If both systems are turned on, I disable the fans between the aquacomputer aquaero 6 xt controllers and the hdd. So they are not running and conflicts with the airflow from the front intake fans.

And thanks. It's a nice replacement for the X58 system I had before.

Edit: I have just ordered Thermal Grizzly Minus Pad 8. So let's see if that helps with the temperatures.

 

[plastiscɧ]

I cut try other thermal pads. It just a pain to get in to the SSD again. But will see if I will have to get in to it.

give it a try. i fear to "rescue" your SSD you have no other choice. but once done, its done for a while....

So they are not running and conflicts with the airflow from the front intake fans.

the scheme i posted does not produce conflits anymore. the air streams from down-right corner to the opposite top corner then. u can toggle their r/pm down to a level that is more quiet and efficent.
u do not have to switch anymore. i am convinced this a part of your problem as well. because when a corner is then quiet with no stream you will produce a backdraft that will cause turbulence to remain in one corner and prevent the airflow from running smoothly. the case is very large.
constancy is better than power.
you have explained yourself that you actually wanted to increase the power.
but that's not necessary. it's better to keep them all on and running evenly. and to direct the flow accordingly in one direction only.

Thermal Grizzly Minus Pad 8

yes sir, but the THICK ones. to fill out any possible gap.

0,08" minimum

 

[Tomgang]

give it a try. i fear to "rescue" your SSD you have no other choice. but once done, its done for a while....



the scheme i posted does not produce conflits anymore. the air streams from down-right corner to the opposite top corner then. u can toggle their r/pm down to a level that is more quiet and efficent.
u do not have to switch anymore. i am convinced this a part of your problem as well. because when a corner is then quiet with no stream you will produce a backdraft that will cause turbulence to remain in one corner and prevent the airflow from running smoothly. the case is very large.
constancy is better than power.
you have explained yourself that you actually wanted to increase the power.
but that's not necessary. it's better to keep them all on and running evenly. and to direct the flow accordingly in one direction only.


yes sir, but the THICK ones. to fill out any possible gap.

0,08" minimum

1.5 millimeter is ordered. 2 millimeters where sold out. But there will go 2 weeks before I can replace them. Do to deliver time and I am going on a vacation by the end of next week.

 

[plastiscɧ]

1.5 millimeter is ordered. 2 millimeters where sold out. But there will go 2 weeks before I can replace them. Do to deliver time and I am going on a vacation by the end of next week.

ye no worries, 1,5mm is enough if the air is on fire put two togehter = 3mm

 

[Tomgang]

ye no worries, 1,5mm is enough if the air is on fire put two togehter = 3mm

It will be 1 pad per SSD. These pads ain't cheap. I ordered 3, as I can just as well replace on the other SSD as well now I am at it.

 

[plastiscɧ]

It will be 1 pad per SSD. These pads ain't cheap. I ordered 3, as I can just as well replace on the other SSD as well now I am at it.

oh! well....
the SSDs have got their chips. u do not need one whole stripe for one SSD. just cover the chips (1 quare Zentimeter) e.g. u can save your material then

the inbetween does not heat up und u create minimal airflow as well

haha i found this pic.... this were the times i had no metal cover. thermalglue and heatsinks were my solution...
good ol times

 

[claes]

I can’t really tell from the pic, but are your side panel fans set to exhaust? If so, I’d reverse them to intake.

If they’re exhausting air then they’re pulling your front intakes cool air straight out of the system before it reaches your components.

 

[plastiscɧ]

I can’t really tell from the pic, but are your side panel fans set to exhaust? If so, I’d reverse them to intake.

If they’re exhausting air then they’re pulling your front intakes cool air straight out of the system before it reaches your components.

he has only given vague information about this - so I have taken the liberty of showing the flow film in a way that you can possibly improve it.
As a rule, it is better to blow air in than to try to dissipate it.

there are so plenty vents. The PC lifts up sometime like a helicopter


alternatively, you can also vacuum in air. the only important thing is the even path from the inside to the outside in ONE direction

 

[FireFox]

I dont have a 980 but i own 2x 970 EVO Plus.

The one for the OS is behind the GPU and idle it sits 46c, when gaming even if the games aren't installed on it the max temp is 52c, room temp 28.5c, but then when it is hot like 2 weeks ago and the room temp was 32c the 970 behind the GPU was hitting 63c.
The second 970 where i have a few games is under the GPU, idle it sits at 40c and max temp is 45c after 4/5 hours playing games, room temp 28.5c, but it could easily hit 50c when the room temp is 32c
All that said, your SSD's temp depends also on your room temp too.

aren't those fans too close to be all intake?

 

[Tomgang]

I dont have a 980 but i own 2x 970 EVO Plus.

The one for the OS is behind the GPU and idle it sits 46c, when gaming even if the games aren't installed on it the max temp is 52c, room temp 28.5c, but then when it is hot like 2 weeks ago and the room temp was 32c the 970 behind the GPU was hitting 63c.
The second 970 where i have a few games is under the GPU, idle it sits at 40c and max temp is 45c after 4/5 hours playing games, room temp 28.5c, but it could easily hit 50c when the room temp is 32c
All that said, your SSD's temp depends also on your room temp too.

aren't those fans too close to be all intake?

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So it seems you as well have SSD running hot in games when the weather is hot. Just as it is for me right now. Well I have all ready ordered better thermal pads and hope that can bring temperatures down a bit. It's the thing I can do. There is really no option for a fan to blow air on to the SSD accept the cpu fan.

About case fans, all fans does not run at the same time. Un less bofh systems are turned on at the same time. But I can via the aquacomputer controllers up in the right top corner. Aktivate or disable fans as I see fit. Means I can force each of the fans to turn or not to turn independently of the other fans. In that way, I can make sure airflow is never interrupted by other fans airflow. Very practical for optimizing airflow depending on what of the systems that are running or if both are running. So don't worry about airflow. There is all ready taken care of it. Those controllers are expensive, but probably some of the best and most versatile controllers out there. They give you a lot of options to how you want to run your fans. Voltage or pwm control and so on.

 

[claes]

About case fans, does not run at the same time. Un less bofh systems are turned on at the same time. But I can via the aquacomputer controllers up in the right top corner. Aktivate or disable fans as I see fit. Means I can force each of the fans to turn or not to turn independently of the other fans. In that way, I can make sure airflow is never interrupted by other fans airflow. Very practical for optimizing airflow depending on what of the systems that are running or if both are running. So don't worry about airflow. There is all ready taken care of it. Those controllers are expensive, but probably some of the best and most worsatile controllers out there. They give you a lot of options to how you want to run your fans. Voltage or pwm control and so on.

I can’t really tell from the pic, but are your side panel fans set to exhaust? If so, I’d reverse them to intake.

If they’re exhausting air then they’re pulling your front intakes cool air straight out of the system before it reaches your components.

???

Sorry, but I am worried If they’re exhausting then you should be able to improve your chassis temperature significantly by running them as intake

 

[Tomgang]

???

Sorry, but I am worried If they’re exhausting then you should be able to improve your chassis temperature significantly by running them as intake

All temperatures are just fine. It's the SSD in the mini-itx system that is the problem, cause it's not getting to much airflow. Cpu and gpu temp is not a problem. We'll with in safe temp. 5600X maxing out at 70 degrees celsius stock and 5950X max out at 55 degrees celsius stock and gpu's at 72 for gtx 1660 super and gtx 1650 max out at 76 degrees celsius. It's only the SSD in mini itx that is my concern. Every thing else is fine.

 

[Shou Miko]

Well even my Samsung 970 Evo 1TB (NVME Gen3) runs out at 60c no matter where I put it and when I compare it to my Sabrent Rocket 4.0 2TB (Gen4) this is at 52c so I guess Samsung drives no matter if it's Gen3 or Gen4 PCI-E just runs hot as bip

 

[Tomgang]

Well even my Samsung 970 Evo 1TB (NVME Gen3) runs out at 60c no matter where I put it and when I compare it to my Sabrent Rocket 4.0 2TB (Gen4) this is at 52c so I guess Samsung drives no matter if it's Gen3 or Gen4 PCI-E just runs hot as bip

It's my idea that Samsung does run hot. I can see in reviews that Samsung is among the SSD that run the hottest.

When they hit 60c. Is it at ilde, gaming or heavy load?

 

[Shou Miko]

It's my idea that Samsung does run hot. I can see in reviews that Samsung is among the SSD that run the hottest.

When they hit 60c. Is it at ilde, gaming or heavy load?

At the moment the 970 is my Windows 10 drive with less than 1% load on.

Even doing gaming it can peak at 60c or more when my Sabrent is colder and it's my gaming drive

 

[eidairaman1]

Find operating temperature specs,if in doubt, if they are sata style, open the case and put better thermal pads on or add a heatsink with fan or on pcie/m.2 do the same...

 

[Shou Miko]

Find operating temperature specs,if in doubt, if they are sata style, open the case and put better thermal pads on or add a heatsink with fan or on pcie/m.2 do the same...

I found that even a my nidac fans at 1464rpm in the front of my Meshify 2 case in storage mode have a hard time cooling my 970 EVO drive under a headsink that's like twice the lenght of the drive and only a fan directly in front of my SSD manage to cool it, like my 850 at the top of my case is just chilling at 31c almost all the time.

 

[Tomgang]

At the moment the 970 is my Windows 10 drive with less than 1% load on.

Even doing gaming it can peak at 60c or more when my Sabrent is colder and it's my gaming drive

Jesus are your SSD hitting 60C by just 1 % load?

That's hotter than my SSD then. Mine sits at 51C to 57C with low load. At 100 % load with example a disk benchmark nu SSD in the mini-itx system max out at 68C as a worse case scenario.

It cut actually seems you have a bigger heat issue than I have then and yours is only a Gen 3 SSD.

Find operating temperature specs,if in doubt, if they are sata style, open the case and put better thermal pads on or add a heatsink with fan or on pcie/m.2 do the same...

Operating temp is 0C to 70C according to Samsung and none operating temp is - 40C to 85C. That is the spec Samsung them self officially put out.

980 pro are true nvme SSD and not sata m.2 ssd. I am already using the motherboard stock heatsink with the stock thermal pads on it. Awaiting for some Thermal grizzly minus 8 thermal pads to come home and I will try to replace them with the stock thermal pads. That's really the only thing I can do to improve temp.

 

[Shou Miko]

Jesus are your SSD hitting 60C by just 1 % load?

That's hotter than my SSD then. Mine sits at 51C to 57C with low load. At 100 % load with example a disk benchmark nu SSD in the mini-itx system max out at 68C as a worse case scenario.

It cut actually seems you have a bigger heat issue than I have then and yours is only a Gen 3 SSD.

The Samsung SSD's are just really weird when it comes to temps.

I am amazing that Sabrent manage to stay as cool as it does with the same size heatsink.

It doesn't matter if I put the 970 closer to my CPU socket, I haven't tried one of the new underneath my graphics in my Gigabyte Z590 Vision G because I am saving those for later because they will cut my PCI-E x16 to x8 for my RTX 3090.

 

[Tomgang]

I found that even a my nidac fans at 1464rpm in the front of my Meshify 2 case in storage mode have a hard time cooling my 970 EVO drive under a headsink that's like twice the lenght of the drive and only a fan directly in front of my SSD manage to cool it, like my 850 at the top of my case is just chilling at 31c almost all the time.

SATA SSD runs much cooler than nvme SSD cause of the lower read and write speeds. Sata SSD is not pushing it to the limit as an nvme SSD is. Nmve runs hotter do to the mush higher transfer speeds.

Ny crucial mx300 sata SSD runs cool as well and dosent need any airflow to stay cool.

The Samsung SSD's are just really weird when it comes to temps.

I am amazing that Sabrent manage to stay as cool as it does with the same size heatsink.

It doesn't matter if I put the 970 closer to my CPU socket, I haven't tried one of the new underneath my graphics in my Gigabyte Z590 Vision G because I am saving those for later because they will cut my PCI-E x16 to x8 for my RTX 3090.

It seems Samsung just runs hot. I will replace thermal pads and then I will not do more about it, as I really can't.

 

[Shou Miko]

SATA SSD runs much cooler than nvme SSD cause of the lower read and write speeds. Sata SSD is not pushing it to the limit as an nvme SSD is. Nmve runs hotter do to the mush higher transfer speeds.

Ny crucial mx300 sata SSD runs cool as well and dosent need any airflow to stay cool.

Maybe Samsung should look into lower temps on the 990 SSD's if not I am going full Sabrent next time even I like the Samsung Magician tool easy to use and firmware upgrade.