Steam Deck Owners Clubhouse

[Scircura]

I never had any of the visual problems you have mentioned. You might want to go the eye doctor mate. I played over 40+ games on my Deck and absolutely 0 issues in being able to see small things.

I won't rule out my eyesight as the source of the problem!

The game that made me go squinty with the Deck was Yoku's Island Express, which because of your comment I am currently running on my 27" 4K monitor to evaluate my vision. I no longer possess the Deck to make a direct comparison. But even at 4K the game has very soft antialiasing, background blur, bloom effects, blown-out highlights, and crucial in-game objects which are small enough that I can completely cover them with my thumb pressed against the display. In addition, almost the whole scene is in motion all the time: swaying grass, gyrating plants, and a sunny/shady cycle every few seconds. When rendered at 720p it is pure mush. The Deck had to contend with all that, plus its screen was probably smudgy with fingerprints.

 

[Nordic]

Text not being readable is a known problem for some games and is a key component of a game being deck verified or not. Valve requires games have adequate scaling to be deck verified. Many games are playable nit not Deck verified.

Also, wipe your Deck down. The fingerprints are only there as long as you leave them

 

[Nordic]

28% of my steam playtime was on the Deck. Total gaming time on Deck counting non-steam games would be a lot smaller.

 

[Space Lynx]

Text not being readable is a known problem for some games and is a key component of a game being deck verified or not. Valve requires games have adequate scaling to be deck verified. Many games are playable nit not Deck verified.

Also, wipe your Deck down. The fingerprints are only there as long as you leave them

Even the text not readable games, a lot of them read just fine to me. Monster Train card game for example, worked great for me.

I can't wait for Steam Deck 2 in a few years, I hope it implements this new technology that allows manually switching of native resolutions.

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[Nordic]

I can't wait for Steam Deck 2 in a few years, I hope it implements this new technology that allows manually switching of native resolutions.

Looking a the games I play on my Deck, I doubt I will upgrade to the Steam Deck 2. I will have to take care of my Deck. I want it to last a long time. It's an OG first batch model or whatever. Not once of these fancy new OLED things the kids play on

 

[crlogic]

I can't wait for Steam Deck 2 in a few years, I hope it implements this new technology that allows manually switching of native resolutions.

LG UltraGear Unveils World's First 4K OLED Gaming Monitor With Dual-Hz Feature

LG Electronics (LG) is set to unveil its latest lineup of UltraGear OLED gaming monitors, designed to provide superior gaming experiences. The expanded lineup includes the highly anticipated 32-inch 4K gaming monitor (model 32GS95UE), which boasts a 240 Hz refresh rate, an ultra-fast 0.03 ms...

www.techpowerup.com

That is an insane monitor and the one-click feature to change resolution and refresh rate is very convenient, but what's the new technology here? The quick switch button? Valve kind of does this with the FPS slider which changes the refresh rate on the fly. And you can already run many displays at a non-native resolution with a higher refresh rate, 4K60 TVs at 1080p120 as an example. And any pixel based display only has one native resolution. Running a 4K display at 1080P is not changing its native res, you just now have 4 physical pixels representing 1 rendered pixel. You can also only do this 4K to 1080P or 1440P to 720P and any other resolutions that can be cleanly subdivided

Deck would have to go to 2560x1600 like Legion Go to then have the ability to have 1280x800 as a usable sub resolution and many monitors don't even do this properly either

 

[Nordic]

As awesome as I think the Steam Deck is, there is beginning to be a lot of pc handheld options. Would anyone disapprove of me asking a mod to edit the title to be a pc hand held clubhouse? I am not asking for permission but rather seeking other opinions.

 

[P4-630]

So... Who's gonna buy an MSI CLAW?

Intel Core Ultra 7 155H
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Windows 11 Pro

 

[Mac the Geek]

As awesome as I think the Steam Deck is, there is beginning to be a lot of pc handheld options. Would anyone disapprove of me asking a mod to edit the title to be a pc hand held clubhouse? I am not asking for permission but rather seeking other opinions.

I think that's a good idea. It's inevitable that Handheld X will be compared to the Deck, the Ally, etc., so inviting all the discussion into one thread sounds like the best way to keep track of it.

 

[crlogic]

As awesome as I think the Steam Deck is, there is beginning to be a lot of pc handheld options. Would anyone disapprove of me asking a mod to edit the title to be a pc hand held clubhouse? I am not asking for permission but rather seeking other opinions.

I vote keep this one Steam Deck exclusive and create a new Handheld PC Clubhouse that's inclusive to all models.

I don't want to see questions or chatter about Ally specific things and problems when I'm here only for Steam Deck for example. But having a thread for all elsewhere is definitely a good idea. Comparisons of other models to Steam Deck I would say are still welcome here though

 

[Nordic]

I think that's a good idea. It's inevitable that Handheld X will be compared to the Deck, the Ally, etc., so inviting all the discussion into one thread sounds like the best way to keep track of it.

I vote keep this one Steam Deck exclusive and create a new Handheld PC Clubhouse that's inclusive to all models.

I don't want to see questions or chatter about Ally specific things and problems when I'm here only for Steam Deck for example. But having a thread for all elsewhere is definitely a good idea. Comparisons of other models to Steam Deck I would say are still welcome here though

I could understand keeping Steam Deck separate because it isn't running windows. I doubt we would see too many Ally comments but I would appreciate seeing them here. I would like to see the handheld market thrive.

 

[Chrispy_]

Having borrowed an Ally as a Steam Deck owner, they are different things and probably need different threads.

One is a streamlined console where Valve do literally everything to make sure that your Steam library will run as well as possible given the limitations of Proton, and Nintendo Switch form-factor.
The other is just a laptop in the Nintendo Switch form factor, which doesn't work very well on so many levels, but is also the most flexible (and janky?) possibility. Console-first games with full gamepad support and ten-foot UI work just fine, but that's a minority of games.

It's weird that the Deck is winning the software race by a huge margin, despite the obvious handicap of not running Windows for a games library that is almost exculsively for Windows. Arguably, the Windows-based consoles like the Ally, Legion Go, Claw are all nicer systems to use with a dock, keyboard, and mouse, but judging a handheld on how well it can emulate a laptop is dumb. Laptops better than the Ally or Steam Deck are stupidly cheap - far cheaper than Deck or Ally.

Maybe Microsoft can release that Windows-lite OS that they talked about when the Deck launched. Windows as an OS is 95%+ nonsense in terms of a gaming console. The fact that the XBox doesn't run Windows says it all really; Not even Microsoft believe Windows is any good for a gaming device.

 

[chrcoluk]

Having borrowed an Ally as a Steam Deck owner, they are different things and probably need different threads.

One is a streamlined console where Valve do literally everything to make sure that your Steam library will run as well as possible given the limitations of Proton, and Nintendo Switch form-factor.
The other is just a laptop in the Nintendo Switch form factor, which doesn't work very well on so many levels, but is also the most flexible (and janky?) possibility. Console-first games with full gamepad support and ten-foot UI work just fine, but that's a minority of games.

It's weird that the Deck is winning the software race by a huge margin, despite the obvious handicap of not running Windows for a games library that is almost exculsively for Windows. Arguably, the Windows-based consoles like the Ally, Legion Go, Claw are all nicer systems to use with a dock, keyboard, and mouse, but judging a handheld on how well it can emulate a laptop is dumb. Laptops better than the Ally or Steam Deck are stupidly cheap - far cheaper than Deck or Ally.

Maybe Microsoft can release that Windows-lite OS that they talked about when the Deck launched. Windows as an OS is 95%+ nonsense in terms of a gaming console. The fact that the XBox doesn't run Windows says it all really; Not even Microsoft believe Windows is any good for a gaming device.

I think this sums it up well for me, Valve are invested in the entire Steam eco system so its in their interest to make it all work like butter, Asus and co, its just more hardware to sell, hence the lazy Windows implementation.

For sure separate threads.

 

[Nordic]

Ayaneo announced their Next Lite is using SteamOS. Chinese sources quote Valve announcing that they would provide SteamOS for free to other hardware vendors.

I think this device would have more in common with the Steam Deck than the Ally for example.

EDIT: Turns out this is going to run HoloOS which is an unmaintained clone of an old version of SteamOS from the Steam Deck. That is rather disappointing.

 

[Klemc]

Since Lossless Scaling can inject Frame Generartion in any game now, Deck users could play any AAA game, right ?

 

[Nordic]

Since Lossless Scaling can inject Frame Generartion in any game now, Deck users could play any AAA game, right ?

Doubtful. Frame generation counterintuitively works best on more powerful hardware. Please try it and let us know.

The Deck is already pretty good at playing demanding AAA games like Cyberpunk. You get 30 fps which isn't awesome yet Cyberpunk is one of the most popular games on the Deck.

 

[Kyan]

Ayaneo announced their Next Lite is using SteamOS. Chinese sources quote Valve announcing that they would provide SteamOS for free to other hardware vendors.

I think this device would have more in common with the Steam Deck than the Ally for example.

I think that Valve will not release a full feature SteamOS for other manufacturer, there's so much in it that they can't realease it without hurting their sales. A bit like what google do with android and their pixels.

 

[Mac the Geek]

I think that Valve will not release a full feature SteamOS for other manufacturer, there's so much in it that they can't realease it without hurting their sales. A bit like what google do with android and their pixels.

Being a Linux fork, SteamOS is open-source, which means other vendors should get the same code that the Deck uses. Proton is also open-source, which means that any game that runs on Steam Deck should also run on a competitor's SteamOS-based handheld. From an actual gameplay standpoint, any differences in performance should stem from the power of the underlying hardware components.

The Steam client is proprietary, so it is theoretically possible that Valve developers could use undocumented SteamOS APIs to give their client better performance on Deck-alikes. But I don't think that's likely, for a couple reasons. One, that's the kind of tactic that gave Microsoft a bad reputation, and Gabe Newell isn't a fan of anything Microsoft these days. Secondly (and perhaps more importantly), the main purpose of the Steam client is to sell games. It's in Valve's best interest to have the Steam client running as smoothly as possible for all users, regardless of the hardware.

We don't know Valve's profit margin on the Deck, but it's almost certainly less than the 30% profit margin on game sales. Their best long-term play is to welcome competitors into the handheld hardware market, and optimize Steam to run on all of them.

 

[Klemc]

Doubtful. Frame generation counterintuitively works best on more powerful hardware. Please try it and let us know.

The Deck is already pretty good at playing demanding AAA games like Cyberpunk. You get 30 fps which isn't awesome yet Cyberpunk is one of the most popular games on the Deck.

I don't have it, but somebody with SDeck OLED or not could report that.

 

[Nordic]

Ayaneo announced their Next Lite is using SteamOS. Chinese sources quote Valve announcing that they would provide SteamOS for free to other hardware vendors.

I think this device would have more in common with the Steam Deck than the Ally for example.

Turns out this is going to run HoloOS which is an unmaintained clone of an old version of SteamOS from the Steam Deck. That is rather disappointing. I would rather have seen Ayaneo release with Bazzite or ChimeraOS which are both SteamOS look alikes rather than clones.

I think that Valve will not release a full feature SteamOS for other manufacturer, there's so much in it that they can't realease it without hurting their sales. A bit like what google do with android and their pixels.

Valve has stated several times that they want to release SteamOS to other manufactures first and then to the public. Valve is less concerned about Steam Deck sales. The Steam Deck is an elaborate way to get more game sales on Steam. Valve also wants to make gaming on linux viable so they are not dependent on Microsoft.

 

[Kyan]

Being a Linux fork, SteamOS is open-source, which means other vendors should get the same code that the Deck uses. Proton is also open-source, which means that any game that runs on Steam Deck should also run on a competitor's SteamOS-based handheld. From an actual gameplay standpoint, any differences in performance should stem from the power of the underlying hardware components.

The Steam client is proprietary, so it is theoretically possible that Valve developers could use undocumented SteamOS APIs to give their client better performance on Deck-alikes. But I don't think that's likely, for a couple reasons. One, that's the kind of tactic that gave Microsoft a bad reputation, and Gabe Newell isn't a fan of anything Microsoft these days. Secondly (and perhaps more importantly), the main purpose of the Steam client is to sell games. It's in Valve's best interest to have the Steam client running as smoothly as possible for all users, regardless of the hardware.

We don't know Valve's profit margin on the Deck, but it's almost certainly less than the 30% profit margin on game sales. Their best long-term play is to welcome competitors into the handheld hardware market, and optimize Steam to run on all of them.

I agree, but to be clear, I wasn't talking about cutting performance or a lot of feature, just one or two little smart thing that don't break the user experience. Btw if it's already open source, why there's only valve using it ? And android is open source too but the version used on pixel get more feature than the stock android. It can be apply with SteamOS too, where they release an open source project and they do modification for their hardware.

 

[Nordic]

Btw if it's already open source, why there's only valve using it?

Valve has said they are going to fully release their new version of SteamOS at some point in the future. Valve is so supportive of linux I believe them. They have not stated their reasons for not releasing it already.

 

[Klemc]

My idea to get a handled PC is back, LCD, only for my 2D games btw, yeah, only PixArts !..

But is 500 euros (512gb) ! Then i think about it.

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[theouto]

Valve has said they are going to fully release their new version of SteamOS at some point in the future. Valve is so supportive of linux I believe them. They have not stated their reasons for not releasing it already.

As far as I understand they've said before that the current build of SteamOS is very tailored made for the steamdeck, so they need to rework it a bit before releasing it.

 

[Klemc]

I'd like even more a Legion GO with a Z1non-Extreme !