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TEC Makes a User-friendly Comeback as the Cooler Master ML360 Sub-Zero Evo AIO CLC

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Cooler Master is working with Intel to bring TEC cooling back to the PC mainstream under an Intel-designed standard. Back in the 2010s, the professional overclocking scene was pervaded with various sub-zero cooling methods including liquid-nitrogen or dry-ice evaporators, refrigerated cooling solutions, and an exotic technology called TEC (thermoelectric couple). A TEC based cooler relies on the Peltier Effect, where high-voltage is passed through a TEC plate that has a cool side, and a hot side. The cool side makes contact with the processor/GPU through a base-plate, whereas the hot side is cooled by a liquid-cooling loop. The net result would be that the cool side ends up considerably bringing down temperatures, sometimes even below 0°C. The only drawback for TEC solutions were the need for liquid cooling (for the hot side), and that the TEC mechanism itself is very power-hungry.

The new MasterLiquid ML360 Sub-Zero Evo AIO implements the Intel Cryo Cooling Technology specification that blends TEC technology with a user-friendly all-in-one, closed loop liquid cooling solution. The TEC contributes to the cooling by bringing down CPU temperatures to low-double digits, while the AIO CLC handles the hot-side of the TEC. This part of the cooler uses Cooler Master's most advanced pump-block, and a 360 mm x 120 mm radiator with a trio of the company's high static-pressure Mobius series fans. The cooler is designed for Intel Socket LGA1700. In the pictures below, you see the ML360 Sub-Zero Evo, with its four key components as per the Intel specification: the radiator, the condensation controller, the block (with the TEC), and the pump.



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Didn’t they announce this with 10th gen?

yes, they did:
 

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Didn’t they announce this with 10th gen?

yes, they did:
No, this is a new cooler (Sub-Zero EVO, featuring LGA1700 optimization, improvements to the pump-block, and Mobius fans on the radiator).
 
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I meant Intel but looks like you edited :)
 
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If the TEC was triple as powerful and the radiator was 4x 140 mm this might have some sense.
Otherwise this is a flop just as Thermlatake Subzero, Titan Amanda, Cooler Master V10, Swiftech MCW6500-T and other TEC-based crap.
 
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Having to take the lowest human common denominator into consideration kinda makes these really hard to take seriously.
 

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So is this thing software-locked to LGA1700 for no good reason?

Having to take the lowest human common denominator into consideration kinda makes these really hard to take seriously.
?
 
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Any tec below 250W ~ 400w cant be considered serious in regards of cooling.
 
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No, it's strictly mechanical, like any aio would be but the block is socket 1700.

This kind of crap was the reason for my question.

Having to take the lowest human common denominator into consideration kinda makes these really hard to take seriously.
Do you mind to elaborate?
 
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This kind of crap was the reason for my question.


Do you mind to elaborate?
That's actually really cool! Temps are kind of meh but impressive nonetheless.
I had no idea it had to be run with an intel proc.

In other words, having to design it so even someone that has no experience with computers can use it without breaking their hardware.
 

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In other words, having to design it so even someone that has no experience with computers can use it without breaking their hardware.
I guess that's an advantage - but I see no real reason to software lock it. Mebbe I just don't like Intel:D

Have you run a TEC?
 
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I guess that's an advantage - but I see no real reason to software lock it. Mebbe I just don't like Intel:D

Have you run a TEC?
Yeah, that surprised me. They would sell more if they weren't...then again. They have to be sure they don't allow anyone to fry their gear too.

A long time ago. They are a pita to keep cool. Well, mine was but I found out I wasn't doing it the best way after I gave up on it.
 
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Peltiers were fun to play with but pretty inefficient, although there has been ongoing refinement of the technology for use in alternative heating/cooling options and power production (heat-to-energy harvesting). I made good use of a Titan Amanda (and the Vantec and Cooler Master equivalents) on several FX processors, and even had a Nextherm ICS "air conditioned" computer case that used a TEC + loud delta or sanyo fan to push large volumes of air across the peltier's heat sinks, keeping the entire internal part of the case sub-ambient cold and the floor hot and toasty (for fun, I didn't even mount a fan on the CPU heatsink, and it worked due to the sheer pressure differential from the server-grade fan just flooding the compartment with cooled air and exhausting it out the rear).

I kind of wish there was a peltier GPU block and a peltier CPU block; that would synchronize with the ambient temperature of the socket or core to ensure no condensation. Sure, it's inefficient, and would dump a ton of heat, but it'd also be quieter than a chiller. Granted, my use case for such is niche.
 
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So is this thing software-locked to LGA1700 for no good reason?


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Hi,
Hardware yes because mounting screws are fixed on the mounting plate and don't look like they can be adjusted for different socket hole layout.
 
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Intel® Cryo Cooling Technology LED Indicator Colors - Modes of Operation doesn't cover the mode for the MASTERLIQUID ML360 SUB-ZERO EVO feedback. I can't find any documentation regarding mode status for this.​


I have the intel cryo cooling app on my taskbar, which is apparently more stable than having it in the hidden icons area on the taskbar, that said it intermittently doesn't show up on the taskbar at all when I restart my machine. it may take several restarts to get it to load properly. I know this is an intel issue and not Cooler Master but I'm hoping someone in this group might have solved this issue. As for cooler master, I can't get anyone from there to respond with simple answers to my questions regarding proper operating parameters or

Obviously, I don't want to have a major product failure. Can someone please advise regarding my situation. 1st my cooler Master ML360 SUB-ZERO EVO for web browsing is averaging around a dewpoint of 12.6 Celsius and my temp is running at approximately 14.1 Celsius and in the operations mode it states while running in Cryo the button should be blinking green, but as stated that's for other units. Help, help or please help anyone but I've posted this enough everywhere I can think of including with Cooler Master irectly that I would hope someone from there would contact me directly with answers. I will update this and other social media at least weekly with my experience so others might benefit.
 
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I’d start a new thread, people are unlikely to notice your question here
 
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