the voltage doesn't seem to change

[dembord]

Hi, I'm trying to use ThrottleStop, but even though I make changes to the panel, the voltage doesn't seem to drop. It is the first time that I try this and I would appreciate any advice, I leave you with information about the system and the steps that I did or tried in case they help you.

- The equipment is a Gigabyte G5 KC i5-10500H laptop with Windows 11 Home
-I have repeated several times the instructions of this youtube video -->

- I have also tried disabling Virtualization from the BIOS and kernel isolation in Windows

 

[unclewebb]

Your screenshot shows that virtualization is still enabled. Try following this guide.

https://beebom.com/how-disable-virtualization-based-security-vbs-windows-11/

Reboot and delete the ThrottleStop.INI configuration file before running ThrottleStop. Make sure Windows core isolation memory integrity is also disabled.
Post some updated screenshots.

 

[dembord]

Your screenshot shows that virtualization is still enabled. Try following this guide.

https://beebom.com/how-disable-virtualization-based-security-vbs-windows-11/

Reboot and delete the ThrottleStop.INI configuration file before running ThrottleStop. Make sure Windows core isolation memory integrity is also disabled.
Post some updated screenshots.

Thank you very much for your observation, I've restored the system several times to a previous point to try again from scratch, now I disabled it again, and it is true that it shows the voltage reduction now, but I still don't see the results in temperatures, I've seen the same model of laptop with 10º to 20º less and the same configuration in games, I am still close to 90º when other apneas are at 70º with the same voltage drop. Maybe almost 1.4V starting is too high for the CPU? I just realized that the others normally start from 1.2V, could it be that I have a problem with the motherboard or the micro? I hadn't noticed this until now.

 

[unclewebb]

If a CPU needs some extra voltage to run reliably, Intel will sell it as a 10500H instead of a 10750H. It looks like you might have a crappy CPU with a high VID voltage table programmed into it. The voltage is set high to help guarantee that your CPU can run reliably for many years.

If you are lucky, maybe Intel made a big mistake. Your CPU might have more room to undervolt while still being stable. I would set the System Agent, Intel GPU and iGPU Unslice back to an offset of +0.0000. These three are not that important and can limit undervolting the core and cache. Test to see if you can undervolt the core and cache to more than -90 mV. Most 10750H start to show errors in the TS Bench beyond about -70 mV to -75 mV so you are probably already at the undervolt limit for your CPU.

The undervolt appears to be working correctly. I think you just lost the silicon lottery.

You might be able to get away with using a bigger undervolt if you reduce the turbo ratios and limit the CPU to 4000 MHz. It is usually those last couple of hundred MHz where the voltage really needs to go up.

 

[dembord]

If a CPU needs some extra voltage to run reliably, Intel will sell it as a 10500H instead of a 10750H. It looks like you might have a crappy CPU with a high VID voltage table programmed into it. The voltage is set high to help guarantee that your CPU can run reliably for many years.

If you are lucky, maybe Intel made a big mistake. Your CPU might have more room to undervolt while still being stable. I would set the System Agent, Intel GPU and iGPU Unslice back to an offset of +0.0000. These three are not that important and can limit undervolting the core and cache. Test to see if you can undervolt the core and cache to more than -90 mV. Most 10750H start to show errors in the TS Bench beyond about -70 mV to -75 mV so you are probably already at the undervolt limit for your CPU.

The undervolt appears to be working correctly. I think you just lost the silicon lottery.

You might be able to get away with using a bigger undervolt if you reduce the turbo ratios and limit the CPU to 4000 MHz. It is usually those last couple of hundred MHz where the voltage really needs to go up.

Thanks again for answering me. Could this overvoltage be claimed as defective in the technical service? Could it give me problems in the future? It really seems that I was unlucky because even lowering the maximum voltage that I can with ThrottleStop, I would end up arriving where the other CPUs with the same characteristics they begin to lower their voltage, so I imagine that the only option that What remains is to disable the Turbo losing a large part of power

 

[unclewebb]

Could this overvoltage be claimed as defective

No.

Processors are not all created equal. Some CPUs need lots of voltage to run reliably and some do not. You ended up with a high voltage processor. It likely still runs fine and will continue to run fine for many years into the future.

disable the Turbo

Why would you want to do that? If you feel the need to lower your CPU speed and power consumption, reduce the turbo ratios in the FIVR window a couple of notches. Completely disabling turbo boost is kind of excessive.

Do not be afraid to run your CPU hot. Intel sets the thermal throttling temperature to 100°C because they know their CPUs can run reliably even when they are hot.

 

[dembord]

Why would you want to do that? If you feel the need to lower your CPU speed and power consumption, reduce the turbo ratios in the FIVR window a couple of notches. Completely disabling turbo boost is kind of excessive.

Because by disabling the turbo the temperature of my CPU drops between 10º C to 20ºC. and the loss of FPS is minimal, even sometimes it is better, because the heat of the CPU can be between 90-95º C. and it spread and throttles the CPU when I do not disable it. I imagine that if it did not have a voltage of 1.4v, and yes the 1.2 from the factory like most of the i5-10500H it would have between 80-85º with turbo and it would be more manageable, that is my experience for now, although I really know very little about this, I assume which is due to the abnormal voltage of my CPU until I see it in my screenshots here.

*Update: Sorry, I'm just starting to handle ThrottleStop, I've changed to 30 turbo limits on all cores gaining about 500Hz, reaching 3000Hz, getting closer to 86º-90º C., I don't know what else I could do...

 

[unclewebb]

One of your screenshots shows that the thermal throttling temperature PROCHOT is set to 90°C. The Intel default is 100°C. When a CPU is forced to thermal throttle prematurely, you lose performance. Have a look in the Options window on the right side for the PROCHOT Offset setting. This has been set to 10. That is what causes throttling at 90°C instead of 100°C. If you do not see a lock icon near this setting, you can reduce the offset value to increase the thermal throttling temperature. That might help a little.

I prefer to reduce the turbo ratios. That gets you some turbo boost while Disable Turbo does not get you any boost.

There is not much you can do with a crappy CPU with a high VID voltage table. Have you tried to use ThrottleStop to undervolt further? How far can you go before you start seeing errors in the TS Bench? That is a good basic stability test.

 

[dembord]

Yes correct, that screenshot was taken just after resetting Windows and trying to unlock the CPU again, because I didn't know if I had done something wrong, so I still hadn't started using it again, so little had I realized yet, that It had a higher starting voltage than the other same laptop models, now it is at 98º, before disabling the turbo and trying some game ( reseted counters later), now it does not exceed 85º without turbo

The maximum stable is -0.099.6 from desktop freezing problems, blue screens etc.

Yes, I think that I am quite limited by having high voltage, the laptop is not even a month old, a pity that I did not realize this problem a little before and and I did not return the laptop when it was still possible.

Thank you very much for your advice and patience, I will try to apply everything you told me and try it, I will not bother you anymore, a pleasure and congratulations for your didactic role in this forum. Greetings.

 

[bobogdan625]

Same problem here with 14700hx 2years later, I CAN change the voltage up but cannot undervolt, VBS disabled, virtualisation disabled and VT-d disabled.

 

[unclewebb]

@bobogdan625
Does the top middle of the FIVR window show that Undervolt Protection is enabled? Post a FIVR screenshot.