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Can someone be so kind as to explain how to undervolt? I know it is not as simple as just lowering the voltage as there are differing ways to do it. I have a asus rog strix z690-a board. I have never really bothered undervolting as i have been running a custom loop since i got it, so as i am back on aor for some time, i might as well try it. I am not overclocking my CPU, but still figure it will run cooler and not use so much power under volted. I fugued i would ask as there seems to be a fair few doing it on here, and it might help others too.

My pc is perfectly stable.

My CPU is as in my specs.

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First, record your system's performance at stock (including power usage). I'd use at least 3 runs of 3 different tests to get a valid sample size. You'll need to refer to that later.

After you have that recorded, set a negative core / cache voltage offset. Either you can reduce it a bit at a time (0.05 is a good increment) or you can lookup the average offeset most people were able to achieve and just set it there right off the bat.

Once your negative offset is entered into BIOS, you can run those same tests and compare the results to stock. If the system crashes here you need to reduce the offset. If it doesn't crash you can either increase the negative voltage offset even more and repeat the tests again or keep your current voltage offset and move onto long term stability testing. If you choose the latter I recommend doing 8 hours of a CPU intensive test. Y-Cruncher is pretty great at finding instability. Again if your system crashes or bugs out here you have to reduce the voltage offset. If it doesn't you are typically golden. Just note that when it comes to a voltage offset even if you pass an 8 hour stress test you could still have some instability at idle that will only be sussed out with time. If that happens you can lower your offset. While setting a static voltage would fix this issue, I wouldn't recommend it as it'll increase power consumption in every CPU state aside from max load.
 
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Yep undervolting can be nice, i overclocked my 12700k to 5ghz and undervolted by 0.1V but your mileage may vary ("silicon lottery")
Also agree y-cruncher does a great job to test stability, im just doing quick runs like 15 minutes on air as that seems to be enough to find cpu instability
Never used it but you can use intel XTU to find a stable undervolt and then make it permanent in bios later (or just keep using xtu but bios > software of course ^^)
 
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Oh i meant using xtu to undervolt to find stable undervolt and later lock it in, in bios
Also i found if one wants to really aggressively undervolt, a lower power limit may help with that as that limits "extreme" cases like y-cruncher/avx2 ruining a higher undervoltage
 
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Can anyone with a z690 board show me what settings in the bios i need to adjust? I'm not really sure on z690 offset settings.

I have set PL1 an 2 to 300w btw

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Yep undervolting can be nice, i overclocked my 12700k to 5ghz and undervolted by 0.1V but your mileage may vary ("silicon lottery")

My 12700K also runs @ 5Ghz on all P-Cores, I wouldn't really call it an overclock though, I just enabled "Enhanced Multi-Core Performance" in the BIOS which causes to run all 8-P cores to fully boost @ 5Ghz instead the usual 1-P core boosting to 5Ghz @ stock, but nevertheless it's nice as long as you got good CPU cooling (Noctua NH-U12A).:)

My 12700K runs at around 75C @ its cores in Cinebench R23 multi, yours?

BTW I didn't change the CPU Voltage, no undervolting.
 
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My 12700K also runs @ 5Ghz on all P-Cores, I wouldn't really call it an overclock though, I just enabled "Enhanced Multi-Core Performance" in the BIOS which causes to run all 8-P cores to fully boost @ 5Ghz instead the usual 1-P core boosting to 5Ghz @ stock, but nevertheless it's nice as long as you got good CPU cooling (Noctua NH-U12A).:)

My 12700K runs at around 75C @ its cores in Cinebench R23 multi, yours?

I'm using a D15s, with two fans on it.

I'll see if i can try cinebench today and see how the D15s does with CPU stock.
 
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My 12700K also runs @ 5Ghz on all P-Cores, I wouldn't really call it an overclock though, I just enabled "Enhanced Multi-Core Performance" in the BIOS which causes to run all 8-P cores to fully boost @ 5Ghz instead the usual 1-P core boosting to 5Ghz @ stock, but nevertheless it's nice as long as you got good CPU cooling (Noctua NH-U12A).:)

My 12700K runs at around 75C @ its cores in Cinebench R23 multi, yours?

BTW I didn't change the CPU Voltage, no undervolting.
Whoa that is cold
Here is mine uses around 185W with undervolt, how much power is yours running at in cinebench?
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just use the adaptive offset instead of a full offset. (otherwise you reduce your idle voltage as well and get instability very fast).
adaptive offset -50mv, use the PC for a while, play games, run linpack, y-cruncher or just loop cinebench for 30 minutes if you're just gaming on your system.
and if it's working go lower. normally my Alderlake Chips and one Raptor Lake i7 were all stable at -90 to -110mv adaptive offset.
 
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My temps are pretty sweet. Must be the 6x120mm in and 4x120mm out. completly stock.
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All my 12 fans are connected to the OCTO, i use the CPU or GPU temp as a rule for the fan curve depending if i am gaming or running Cinebench etc. Not exactly silent but temps are good with so much air going through the case.

I will have a look in the bios today and see if i can drop the vcore down at all.
 
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I wouldn't let my CPU run at 90 degrees though..
 
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also if you cap your wattage, be sure to drop your load line calibration (LLC) settings that tend to overvolt your processor during avx or high load. A lot of mobos ship with unlocked wattage and to keep it stable they have to overvolt like crazy at the top end.
 
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Fans @ 55.000 RPM?
Is there more that isn't correct?

There is nothing connected to that, or the CPU one, they are both connected to the OCTO.

Glitch with HWinfo i guess

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When HWInfo64 doesn't have a reading, it will tend to just put up a number to fill in the blanks. I am to guess that 55,000 rpm is just the highest point it could readout to, so that's what is displayed.

Can go into bios monitoring and click disable. I'm surprised bios doesn't complain there's no fan on the cpu header, but that's how you fix it, by disabling it.

To see what your v-core is actually doing, I suggest to turn off C-states. You can see the actual v-core and then watch the droop when put at heavy load. This will help you adjust LLC. You run a higher LLC and lower the v-core.

If you would like some additional performance tips, I'm glad to share.
 
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When HWInfo64 doesn't have a reading, it will tend to just put up a number to fill in the blanks. I am to guess that 55,000 rpm is just the highest point it could readout to, so that's what is displayed.

Can go into bios monitoring and click disable. I'm surprised bios doesn't complain there's no fan on the cpu header, but that's how you fix it, by disabling it.

To see what your v-core is actually doing, I suggest to turn off C-states. You can see the actual v-core and then watch the droop when put at heavy load. This will help you adjust LLC. You run a higher LLC and lower the v-core.

If you would like some additional performance tips, I'm glad to share.

The CPU fan is set to ignore, or it goes to F1 to enter bios every boot, whining about no CPU fan.

Any help would be appriciated. The bios settings on the z690 are the most complicated i have had.
 
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No idea about asus stuff really but you probably want to look at global core svid voltage
Look for something adaptive offset and make sure apply negative offset not a positive one (msi calls it that maybe its same on asus)
another option would be using intels software as that is straight forward no matter the board, but i recommend bios
One note intel bios can have undervolt protection which disables undervolting but on my msi its disabled by default, so make sure any undervolt is actually working and if not disable undervolt protection in bios
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The CPU fan is set to ignore, or it goes to F1 to enter bios every boot, whining about no CPU fan.

Any help would be appriciated. The bios settings on the z690 are the most complicated i have had.
The more you look at it, the less complicated it'll be.

LLC is your friend. MsI is backwards from Asus. So lvl 8 is more droop than level 1. Try maybe level 6 to start.

I use a program called QuickCPU. this program will clear memory and let you adjust the core parking on the fly. Other adjustments for tweaking as well and also control power settings. Turning Core parking off, set to 100% will help lower some latency.

Like I was saying, turn off c-states and monitor your v-core and temps. Don't worry about the VID much, just the v-core.
 
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The more you look at it, the less complicated it'll be.

LLC is your friend. MsI is backwards from Asus. So lvl 8 is more droop than level 1. Try maybe level 6 to start.

I use a program called QuickCPU. this program will clear memory and let you adjust the core parking on the fly. Other adjustments for tweaking as well and also control power settings. Turning Core parking off, set to 100% will help lower some latency.

Like I was saying, turn off c-states and monitor your v-core and temps. Don't worry about the VID much, just the v-core.
C-State is good to keep here, OP wants to use less power.
C-State is a bad feature for badly coded games or softwares, that's just it, it's just bad for bad programs xD I said it. o_o
MSI is not backwards from ASUS Oo
Why do you use core parking if you disable C-States ? Either you want the 2 enabled or the 2 disabled, it makes no sense to disable 1 to let another one enabled. You want C-State disabled to have less latency when cores work, if you park your cores (sometimes but then, why ?), you will have a huge latency oO

OP wants to use less power, lowering the Vdrop is not the best option I think. The maximum Vdrop is the best option.

To undervolt or overclock on the z690 you have to painfully use the CPU Core Voltage mode : Adaptative + Offset
You guess the voltage you can get playing with the "-" symbol, starting from 0.050 or 0.080 (it should be good), higher the number until Cinebench crashes, if it crashes you higher the voltage (lower the value under the "-" symbol like if you were at - 0.080, then try 0.060 and retry the bench/game/anything you do with your computer).

THEN you play the most hateful game : Long Duration Power Limit & Short Duration Power Limit game...yeah you got this, it sucks, you have to guess what is the maximum wattage you can put to still get the maximum core multiplier (47 to 50 [on 2 cores] by default on the 12700k).
You can try to put the Long Duration Power Limit and the Short Duragion Power Limit to 150W and see with HWinfo if your cores still go to their maximum set while you use your computer.

Then, does your cinebench score sucks or is it good as if everything is by default ? You have to check. if your score is bad, you have to higher your maximum Long and Short duration power limit. If it crashes, you have to higher your Vcore (lol) so...yeah it sucks you have to lower your value under "-".

Your cores should go to x49, 2 of them should go to a maximum of x50 and while you use all of them on the same task, x47 by default.
But if your bench scores suck you have to either higher the Wattage of the Turbo or the Vcore (lowering the value under "-" in adaptative+offset).

After that, you can higher your Ring ratio to 38 without having to worry about your voltage, if you aren't unlucky. Maybe 40+, who knows.
 
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C-State is good to keep here, OP wants to use less power.
C-State is a bad feature for badly coded games or softwares, that's just it, it's just bad for bad programs xD I said it. o_o
MSI is not backwards from ASUS Oo
Why do you use core parking if you disable C-States ? Either you want the 2 enabled or the 2 disabled, it makes no sense to disable 1 to let another one enabled. You want C-State disabled to have less latency when cores work, if you park your cores (sometimes but then, why ?), you will have a huge latency oO

OP wants to use less power, lowering the Vdrop is not the best option I think. The maximum Vdrop is the best option.

To undervolt or overclock on the z690 you have to painfully use the CPU Core Voltage mode : Adaptative + Offset
You guess the voltage you can get playing with the "-" symbol, starting from 0.050 or 0.080 (it should be good), higher the number until Cinebench crashes, if it crashes you higher the voltage (lower the value under the "-" symbol like if you were at - 0.080, then try 0.060 and retry the bench/game/anything you do with your computer).

THEN you play the most hateful game : Long Duration Power Limit & Short Duration Power Limit game...yeah you got this, it sucks, you have to guess what is the maximum wattage you can put to still get the maximum core multiplier (47 to 50 [on 2 cores] by default on the 12700k).
You can try to put the Long Duration Power Limit and the Short Duragion Power Limit to 150W and see with HWinfo if your cores still go to their maximum set while you use your computer.

Then, does your cinebench score sucks or is it good as if everything is by default ? You have to check. if your score is bad, you have to higher your maximum Long and Short duration power limit. If it crashes, you have to higher your Vcore (lol) so...yeah it sucks you have to lower your value under "-".

Your cores should go to x49, 2 of them should go to a maximum of x50 and while you use all of them on the same task, x47 by default.
But if your bench scores suck you have to either higher the Wattage of the Turbo or the Vcore (lowering the value under "-" in adaptative+offset).

After that, you can higher your Ring ratio to 38 without having to worry about your voltage, if you aren't unlucky.

Did you not actually read what I wrote.

You disable the C-states so you can observe the v-core at a steady rate idle and at load. You can turn c-states back on later.

My benchmark scores are fine actually. I don't know maybe you're talking to the original poster and not me? But you quoted me so, you get my reply.

Cinebench is NoT the tell all of some stability testing, it is only a benchmark, not a burn in program.

OCCT linpack. AVX2 load and adjust the AVX multiplier to keep temps down.

Not at home to write some long drawn out tutorial unfortunately.
 
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