Undervolting help for newbie - msi vector i9 13980 hx rtx 4080

[SimonZKP]

Hello everybody!

I was wondering if you could help me setup my laptop for work and gaming.

I am new to the undervolting thing and TS but I think it is the only way to resolve my problems.

I have Win11 Home right now, msi center at extreme performance tab(MSI Hybrid), disabled Inter Virtualisation and enabled in BIOS the undervolting possibility.

I allow myself to send you my throttlestop setting for evaluation.

The problem with my laptop was from begining:
- high temperatures - from 60 on idle to over 100 in games - on some games the laptop turns off
- fps downfalls - think it is because thermall throttle

My setting are based mainly on @unclewebb comments through the forum but I am new to this and would be very grateful for your help.

What I suppose to change or add to make my laptop work better.

Sorry for my english but I am polish native

Kind regards
Simon

 

[unclewebb]

Use TS 9.7.2

It has a new FIVR - V/F Point feature. Set V/F Point 1 to 150. Both the Core and the Cache V/F Point windows should look like this.

This can help improve stability. It can also allow you to undervolt the CPU Core and the CPU P Cache in the FIVR window some more. Instead of -125 mV, you might be able to set both of your offset undervolt values to -150 mV. I like using the Windows High Performance power plan. This prevents the CPU from slowing down when it is lightly loaded. This reduces latency and it also allows you to reliably run a bigger undervolt. That helps me use -150 mV for the core and the P cache reliably without any blue screens.

The rest of your settings look good.

To update ThrottleStop, download and unzip the new version. Copy the new ThrottleStop.exe into your ThrottleStop folder. This will allow the new version to use the same voltage and power values that you are using now.

If your temperatures are too high you can reduce the turbo power limits. You can also increase the PROCHOT Offset value. This will tell the CPU to start thermal throttling at a lower temperature. The 260W PL1 and PL2 power values are OK for me when I am outside in cool spring air. I think using 140W to 160W would be better for gaming inside.

 

[SimonZKP]

Thank You so much for answering!

So I made those adjustments You wrote and will test a little bit.

Prochot Offset on 15 and lock would be okay in your opinion?

Last thing I was wondering about options in main window - do I need to change something there?

I am so grateful for help because MSI just f*cked up this laptop with those thermall throttling or maybe they wanted us to make some fried eggs on it?

 

[unclewebb]

fried eggs

Blame Intel for their line up of mobile CPUs that run as hot as the sun. Intel 13th and 1th Gen mobile HX processors are exactly the same as their desktop CPUs. Everyone likes the performance. No one likes the extreme heat. It is nearly impossible for the typical laptop chassis to dissipate all of this heat.

Prochot Offset on 15

The higher you set the offset, the cooler your laptop will run. The only downside is reduced performance. ThrottleStop lets you choose the balance that is right for you.

Your screenshot shows a wide variation in peak core temperatures. Opening your laptop for a spring cleaning and replacing the thermal paste with Honeywell PTM 7950 would be a good idea.

options in main window - do I need to change something there?

Your screenshot cropped off the left side of the main ThrottleStop window. Most of the settings in the main window do not need to be touched.

 

[SimonZKP]

Your screenshot shows a wide variation in peak core temperatures. Opening your laptop for a spring cleaning and replacing the thermal paste with Honeywell PTM 7950 would be a good idea.

I ordered ptm, but I am worried about loosing my guarantee.
I bought my laptop in september 2024, so it still has like 18 months.
Allthough I will consider that.
Thank You for your answers.

 

[kay_]

Hello everybody!

I was wondering if you could help me setup my laptop for work and gaming.

I am new to the undervolting thing and TS but I think it is the only way to resolve my problems.

I have Win11 Home right now, msi center at extreme performance tab(MSI Hybrid), disabled Inter Virtualisation and enabled in BIOS the undervolting possibility.

I allow myself to send you my throttlestop setting for evaluation.

The problem with my laptop was from begining:
- high temperatures - from 60 on idle to over 100 in games - on some games the laptop turns off
- fps downfalls - think it is because thermall throttle

My setting are based mainly on @unclewebb comments through the forum but I am new to this and would be very grateful for your help.

What I suppose to change or add to make my laptop work better.

Sorry for my english but I am polish native

Kind regards
Simon

Hi everybody!

May i ask what specific model your laptop is?

For the last couple days i tried everything i found on this subject to get Throttlestop to work but no matter what i do, it won´t.

I disabled Intel Virtualization, enabled Overclocking Feature in the BIOS and i am even able to set undervolting values inside of Throttlestop, the problem is that they don´t show up in the monitoring chart inside of the FIVR Tab. All offsets still show +0.0000 for every element. And the temps also don´t change in Benchmarks so it clearly doesnt have an effect.

I have a MSI Vector 16HX A14 with an i7 14650HX.

Does anyone have an idea what the problem could be?

Thanks so much in advance!

 

[unclewebb]

MSI Vector 16HX

Does it say Undervolt Protection at the top middle of the FIVR window? Post a screenshot of the FIVR window when you have a question.

Undervolt Protection needs to be disabled in the BIOS if that is the problem.

 

[kay_]

These are my settings. (The Power Limit for PL1 and PL2 is just there cause i cant get temps down with undervolting at the moment).

Yes, it says Undervolt Protection at the top. I havent noticed that yet - i´ll check where i can find that setting in the BIOS.

 

[kay_]

Undervolt Protection needs to be disabled in the BIOS if that is the problem.

Found it in the BIOS and now it works. Thank you so much for the help, i would´ve never noticed that!

 

[unclewebb]

now it works

Good to hear.

Set up V/F Point 1 to 150 for both the Core and the Cache. That will help stabilize your undervolt settings. Scroll up a few posts to see the screenshot I posted.

 

[SimonZKP]

May i ask what specific model your laptop is?

In the first post I attachted my specs

 

[eniva]

I ordered ptm, but I am worried about loosing my guarantee.
I bought my laptop in september 2024, so it still has like 18 months.
Allthough I will consider that.
Thank You for your answers.

Don't be afraid to open your laptop. There are many MSI videos on YouTube that explain how to upgrade components, clean them, and even how to change the thermal paste.
They always point out that opening the computer doesn't void the warranty, even if you break the seal.

I replaced my MSI with PTM, but I didn't get temperatures I liked, so I went for something more extreme using kryoSheet graphene thermal pads.
They improved the temperatures quite a bit but you have to be careful they are conductive sheets and if not installed correctly they can cause significant damage to the CPU.

Best regards.

 

[SimonZKP]

So I ordered honeywell ptm7950 for GPU and CPU, also TG putty for vram.
I have built several PC's before so I think I will handle repasting a laptop

I will post results after completing everything

Thank You all for your replies and help, You are the best guys!

 

[kay_]

So I ordered honeywell ptm7950 for GPU and CPU, also TG putty for vram.
I have built several PC's before so I think I will handle repasting a laptop

I will post results after completing everything

Thank You all for your replies and help, You are the best guys!

I´m super curious on the results. I repasted with MX6 since i had it left over in my drawer and it definitely lowered the temps around 1-2 degrees but i also thought about getting a ptm7950 sheet so i´m definitely interested in your thoughts!