Updating fans on AIO, is it worth the trouble ?

OxSteve · 2024-11-14T08:19:39+0000

Hello Tech guys,

I'm running an i9 14900K on a Silent Loop 2 360MM Aio. During full load, ie stress test, shader compiling on some games, installing repack games, ... the CPU termal throttles, reaching 100°C, going from 5.7Ghz to 5-5.2Ghz.

My question : Would there be any benefit in updating the Silent Wing 3 High Speed fans on my AIO with better ones ( faster RPM, better airflow, better air pressure) to achieve better cooling ?
Any feedback on this process ?

Any other suggestions are welcome...

Thanks !

Vya Domus · 2024-11-14T08:21:59+0000

It's not going to make much of a difference.

Ruru · 2024-11-14T08:37:02+0000

Perfectly normal temps for that heater CPU, even Intel said that 100C is fine.

OxSteve · 2024-11-14T08:45:16+0000

Ruru said:
Perfectly normal temps for that heater CPU, even Intel said that 100C is fine.

OK, so that means that I cannot have my CPU running @ 5.7Ghz at full load, and it is by design ? I probably miss a point here with the frequencies of 14th gen : i noticed when in the bios, the CPU is @3.2Ghz, and it is also referenced in datasheet as a 3.2Ghz processor with max speed 5.7Ghz (even 6Ghz on 2 Cores) using turbo technologies. Do I have to understand that this 5.7Ghz are not guaranteed at all ?

Ruru · 2024-11-14T08:49:15+0000

OxSteve said:
OK, so that means that I cannot have my CPU running @ 5.7Ghz at full load, and it is by design ? I probably miss a point here with the frequencies of 14th gen : i noticed when in the bios, the CPU is @3.2Ghz, and it is also referenced in datasheet as a 3.2Ghz processor with max speed 5.7Ghz (even 6Ghz on 2 Cores) using turbo technologies. Do I have to understand that this 5.7Ghz are not guaranteed at all ?

Practically they're "up to" frequencies and you'll practically need really beefy cooling for those clocks to stay longer for a blink of an eye. 14900K is practically a rebranded 13900KS which was already factory-overclocked to the max as those emergency editions do.

I guess they allow their max temp to be bumped but since 13th/14th gen CPUs are known to fail, I wouldn't play with fire.

Upgrayedd · 2024-11-14T08:50:47+0000

Turn off the motherboard vendor's all core turbo if it's on. And update your bios if you haven't

OxSteve · 2024-11-14T09:44:48+0000

Ruru said:
Practically they're "up to" frequencies and you'll practically need really beefy cooling for those clocks to stay longer for a blink of an eye. 14900K is practically a rebranded 13900KS which was already factory-overclocked to the max as those emergency editions do.

I guess they allow their max temp to be bumped but since 13th/14th gen CPUs are known to fail, I wouldn't play with fire.

Thanks for you answers, I realize I was on a wild goose chase with the frequencies/termal throttle , the behaviour i noticed is normal for a 14th gen, so be it !

Upgrayedd said:
Turn off the motherboard vendor's all core turbo if it's on. And update your bios if you haven't

Yes, Bios is with microcode 0x12B since day one availability on MSI site.

I never thought of disabling the turbo , so i check on my BIOS, I have 3 occurrences of "turbo" in the OC tab :
Intel Turbo Boost [Enabled/Disabled]
Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 [Enabled/disabled]
Enhanced Turbo [Auto/Enabled/Disabled]

The latter is only available if the foirst is Enabled.

I tried all combinaisons Enabled / Disabled, the result :
If the 1rst is disabled, the CPU only run @3.2Ghz , so no termal issue , but this not what I need

If 2nd is disabled and 1rst enabled : no difference, Run @ 5.7ghz low load, and 5Ghz high load
I havn't seen a difference when disabling the 3rd

The description on MSI bios is cryptic, I don't see what the 2nd and 3rrd are supposed to do.

Ruru · 2024-11-14T09:57:38+0000

OxSteve said:
Thanks for you answers, I realize I was on a wild goose chase with the frequencies/termal throttle , the behaviour i noticed is normal for a 14th gen, so be it !

Yes, Bios is with microcode 0x12B since day one availability on MSI site.

I never thought of disabling the turbo , so i check on my BIOS, I have 3 occurrences of "turbo" in the OC tab :
Intel Turbo Boost [Enabled/Disabled]
Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0 [Enabled/disabled]
Enhanced Turbo [Auto/Enabled/Disabled]

The latter is only available if the foirst is Enabled.

I tried all combinaisons Enabled / Disabled, the result :
If the 1rst is disabled, the CPU only run @3.2Ghz , so no termal issue , but this not what I need
If 2nd is disabled and 1rst enabled : no difference, Run @ 5.7ghz low load, and 5Ghz high load
I havn't seen a difference when disabling the 3rd

The description on MSI bios is cryptic, I don't see what the 2nd and 3rrd are supposed to do.

I'd try disabling the enchanced turbo first.

System Name	Gaming PC
Processor	i9 14900K
Motherboard	MSI MPG Z790 CARBON WIFI
Cooling	Be quiet! Silent Loop 2 360mm
Memory	Corsair Vengeance 2x16 Go 7200MT/s CL34
Video Card(s)	MSI RTX 4090 Gaming X Trio
Storage	2x2To 990 Pro - 2To 980 Pro - 2To 970 EVO - 2To Crucial BX500 SATA SSD
Display(s)	LG Ultragear 32GR93U-B IPS 32" 4K 144Hz / Asus VG249QM1A 24" IPS 1080p 270Hz
Case	Be quiet! Shadow Base 800FX
Power Supply	Be quiet! Pure Power 12M 1000W (Gold)
Mouse	Zowie EC1-A
Keyboard	Ducky One TKL
Benchmark Scores	Cinebench 24 : 2168 (PL1/PL2@253W) and 2297 (PL1/PL2 4096W)

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Processor	AMD Ryzen R9 7900 - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora Edge
Motherboard	ASRock B650 Pro RS
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Memory	32GB - FURY Beast RGB 5600 Mhz
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Storage	1x Kingston KC3000 1TB 1x Kingston A2000 1TB, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB , 1x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB
Display(s)	LG UltraGear 32GN650-B + 4K Samsung TV
Case	Phanteks NV7
Power Supply	GPS-750C

System Name	4K-gaming
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 5800X @ PBO +200 -20CO
Motherboard	Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero
Cooling	Arctic Freezer 50, EKWB Vector TUF
Memory	32GB Kingston HyperX Fury DDR4-3466
Video Card(s)	Asus GeForce RTX 3080 TUF OC 10GB
Storage	A pack of SSDs totaling 3.2TB + 3TB HDDs
Display(s)	27" 4K120 IPS + 32" 4K60 IPS + 24" 1080p60
Case	Corsair 4000D Airflow White
Audio Device(s)	Asus TUF H3 Wireless / Corsair HS35
Power Supply	EVGA Supernova G2 750W
Mouse	Logitech MX518 + Asus ROG Strix Edge Nordic
Keyboard	Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO
VR HMD	Oculus Rift CV1
Software	Windows 11 Pro
Benchmark Scores	It runs Crysis

System Name	Gaming PC
Processor	i9 14900K
Motherboard	MSI MPG Z790 CARBON WIFI
Cooling	Be quiet! Silent Loop 2 360mm
Memory	Corsair Vengeance 2x16 Go 7200MT/s CL34
Video Card(s)	MSI RTX 4090 Gaming X Trio
Storage	2x2To 990 Pro - 2To 980 Pro - 2To 970 EVO - 2To Crucial BX500 SATA SSD
Display(s)	LG Ultragear 32GR93U-B IPS 32" 4K 144Hz / Asus VG249QM1A 24" IPS 1080p 270Hz
Case	Be quiet! Shadow Base 800FX
Power Supply	Be quiet! Pure Power 12M 1000W (Gold)
Mouse	Zowie EC1-A
Keyboard	Ducky One TKL
Benchmark Scores	Cinebench 24 : 2168 (PL1/PL2@253W) and 2297 (PL1/PL2 4096W)

System Name	4K-gaming
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 5800X @ PBO +200 -20CO
Motherboard	Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero
Cooling	Arctic Freezer 50, EKWB Vector TUF
Memory	32GB Kingston HyperX Fury DDR4-3466
Video Card(s)	Asus GeForce RTX 3080 TUF OC 10GB
Storage	A pack of SSDs totaling 3.2TB + 3TB HDDs
Display(s)	27" 4K120 IPS + 32" 4K60 IPS + 24" 1080p60
Case	Corsair 4000D Airflow White
Audio Device(s)	Asus TUF H3 Wireless / Corsair HS35
Power Supply	EVGA Supernova G2 750W
Mouse	Logitech MX518 + Asus ROG Strix Edge Nordic
Keyboard	Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO
VR HMD	Oculus Rift CV1
Software	Windows 11 Pro
Benchmark Scores	It runs Crysis

Updating fans on AIO, is it worth the trouble ?

OxSteve

Vya Domus

Ruru

S.T.A.R.S.

OxSteve

Ruru

S.T.A.R.S.

Upgrayedd

OxSteve

Ruru

S.T.A.R.S.

Processor	i7-4790K 4.6GHz @1.29v
Motherboard	ASUS Maximus Hero VII Z97
Cooling	Noctua NH-U14S
Memory	G. Skill Trident X 2x8GB 2133MHz
Video Card(s)	Asus Tuf RTX 3060 V1 FHR (Newegg Shuffle)
Storage	OS 120GB Kingston V300, Samsung 850 Pro 512GB , 3TB Hitachi HDD, 2x5TB Toshiba X300, 500GB M.2 @ x2
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Case	Fractal Design Define R4
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