What the actual ****

TheEndIsNear · Jun 28, 2021

I have two machines. One a 10900k with a z490-a and no tpm. Anywhere. I got a 5600x with an asus b550 board and it's as simple as enabling it in the bios. This is ridiculous. There should be no reason it's not there. You can always disable it. I smell B.S. Intel and Windows 11. Another way to generate money.

Solaris17 · Jun 28, 2021

TPMs and headers aren't new. About the only thing I have learned in the past week is that apparently only a single digit percent of people on this forum even knew what a TPM or disk encryption were.

Wait until apple makes vault a requirement and people learn you have been able to encrypt your disk for the last 10 years.

ANYWAY, the one that can be "enabled" in BIOS is a firmware TPM (fTPM) if the CPU has its own trusted environment which most current arcs do, then get angry at your mobo vendor. This wasnt a choice by Intel or AMD.

This is implemented on a board level.

tabascosauz · Jun 28, 2021

TheEndIsNear said:
I have two machines. One a 10900k with a z490-a and no tpm. Anywhere. I got a 5600x with an asus b550 board and it's as simple as enabling it in the bios. This is ridiculous. There should be no reason it's not there. You can always disable it. I smell B.S. Intel and Windows 11. Another way to generate money.

It's called PTT on Intel, Platform Trust Technology. Comb the advanced pages in your BIOS until you find it. I doubt any of the major vendors omitted it from their BIOSes.

Which is surprising, since you managed to find AMD fTPM in the B550 BIOS. If it's the Asus Z490-A, you have access to the search tool.

If Z390 is any indication, it should be right under Advanced tab on Asus.

RJARRRPCGP · Jun 28, 2021

QFT, look for "PTT" in the UEFI-BIOS setup on a Z490 motherboard.

TheEndIsNear · Jun 28, 2021

RJARRRPCGP said:
QFT, look for "PTT" in the UEFI-BIOS setup on a Z490 motherboard.

Yup I looked. It's just stupid. They should all have it. It's been a thing forever. Two different Asus boards and one has it and the other don't. The cheaper one has it. It's just ridiculous. IMO

newtekie1 · Jun 28, 2021

TheEndIsNear said:
Yup I looked. It's just stupid. They should all have it. It's been a thing forever. Two different Asus boards and one has it and the other don't. The cheaper one has it. It's just ridiculous. IMO

The Prime Z490-A has the option to enable the PTT under Advanced -> PCH-FW Configuration.

You can see the option is available on that motherboard at 11:26 in this video going over the BIOS:

Mussels · Jun 28, 2021

It's just under a different name on the intel boards, as far as i know its a requirement - so it'll be there somewhere

Being a new board, badger the manufacturer for support to add it if it's truly missing

Fangio1951 · Jun 28, 2021

Checked the Windows site and my CPU - i7 - 7700K wasn't listed as being compatible for upgrade to Win 11.

Looked in my Z270 mobo bios and found it under = PTT, and enabled it.

I smell a rat too !!!

Gmr_Chick · Jun 28, 2021

Fangio1951 said:
Checked the Windows site and my CPU - i7 - 7700K wasn't listed as being compatible for upgrade to Win 11.

Looked in my Z270 mobo bios and found it under = PTT, and enabled it.

I smell a rat too !!!

OK, but did you run the Windows 11 tool again AFTER enabling PTT? You don't mention if you did or not. As far as I know, Windows 11 support begins at 8th gen Core SKUs. I could be wrong though.

Fangio1951 · Jun 28, 2021

Yeah - I'll have to run it after work and verify.

newtekie1 · Jun 28, 2021

Gmr_Chick said:
OK, but did you run the Windows 11 tool again AFTER enabling PTT? You don't mention if you did or not. As far as I know, Windows 11 support begins at 8th gen Core SKUs. I could be wrong though.

I just ran it on my i7-7700 computer and the Microsoft tool said my CPU isn't supported, even with PTT enabled in the BIOS. It seems really stupid to support 8th gen or newer only.

maxfly · Jun 28, 2021

newtekie1 said:
I just ran it on my i7-7700 computer and the Microsoft tool said my CPU isn't supported, even with PTT enabled in the BIOS. It seems really stupid to support 8th gen or newer only.

I agree, they are omitting a massive user base. I would like them to at least give us a hint as to why. Ive heard several theories but nothing concrete of course. It doesnt make sense.

newtekie1 · Jun 28, 2021

maxfly said:
I agree, they are omitting a massive user base. I would like them to at least give us a hint as to why. Ive heard several theories but nothing concrete of course. It doesnt make sense.

Yeah, especially when you compare two processors that are pretty much identical in capability. Like take the i5-7500 and i3-8100. They have all the same instruction sets, except the i3 doesn't support TSX. They are essentially the same processor, even using the same iGPU. But the i3-8100 is supported and the i5-7500 isn't. It really make not sense other than Microsoft want people to buy new hardware.

Fangio1951 · Jun 28, 2021

It really make not sense other than Microsoft want people to buy new hardware. Yeah = Intel/Micro$oft FORCING us to buy new hardware !!!!!

Space Lynx · Jun 28, 2021

newtekie1 said:
I just ran it on my i7-7700 computer and the Microsoft tool said my CPU isn't supported, even with PTT enabled in the BIOS. It seems really stupid to support 8th gen or newer only.

yep my gtx 1070 laptop has a 7th gen intel cpu and same issue. my BIOS has TPM enabled by default. so my only issue is the cpu being to old... absolutely ridiculous. a 7th gen intel holds its own just fine.

nguyen · Jun 28, 2021

Had me worried for a second there, go to BIOS and enable PTT did the trick for me

, only feature I'm looking for in Win11 is MS DirectStorage.

Space Lynx · Jun 28, 2021

nguyen said:
Had me worried for a second there, go to BIOS and enable PTT did the trick for me , only feature I'm looking for in Win11 is MS DirectStorage.

it's weird how some mobo bio's have TPM enabled by default and others don't. just seems weird to me.

nguyen · Jun 28, 2021

lynx29 said:
it's weird how some mobo bio's have TPM enabled by default and others don't. just seems weird to me.

I have no idea what TPM is until 5 mins ago :roll:

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lemoncarbonate · Jun 28, 2021

This is literally what I just commented in other thread. Imagine just bought a new high end PC with Ryzen 5000/Intel 11th gen and you can't even use windows 11. What a joke from Sh!tcrosoft.

Windows also judged my 1700X + X370 4 year old PC as not supported for Win 11. This smells like the bad-good-bad-good pattern each Windows version had all this time will come true.

lynx29 said:
it's weird how some mobo bio's have TPM enabled by default and others don't. just seems weird to me.

Mine just doesn't have one

both secure boot and TPM.

newtekie1 · Jun 28, 2021

Fangio1951 said:
Yeah = Intel/Micro$oft FORCING us to buy new hardware !!!!!

And AMD, don't leave them out.

lemoncarbonate said:
Mine just doesn't have one both secure boot and TPM.

Your is located under Peripherals -> AMD CPU tTPM.

You can see it is available at 0:51 in this video:

Seriously, are people even bothering to look in their BIOS before saying they don't have a firmware TPM?

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