Will a RTX 4070 TI super bottleneck a Ryzen 9 7950X3D?

[maramsp]

Hello!

I ask this question for a friend.

His pc is the following:

Ryzen 9 7950X3d
Asus Rog strix B650-A Gaming
64gb Corsair vengeance ddr5 5600mhz
Windows 11 pro 64 bit installed on a samsung evo 860

And currently he has a gtx 3060 12gb as a gpu.

He wants to upgrade to a new videocard in about a month from now, and he is wondering, if a 4070 ti super would still bottleneck his cpu.

I myself dont think so. But i'm not really sure about it, so therefore this question.

He also have the option to buy a 4080 super, but that one is more expensive, so its only an option if the 4070 ti super is guaranteed to bottleneck his 7950x3d.

So, can anyone provide some info on this matter?

Thank you very much on forehand from myself and my friend.

Greetings from Martijn

ps. He also believes that his ram might be bottlenecking his cpu, and asked me to type this in this post as well. But honestly, cause of it being 64gb and ddr5, I dont think thats an issue that big.

 

[dgianstefani]

Better off with a 7800X3D, 32 GB of 6000/30, and a 4080 Super.

He should also prioritise replacing that old SATA SSD with a modern M.2 such as SN770 or 990 Pro.

What power supply does he have.

Since he already has the 7950X3D and the RAM, maybe just OC it to 6000 MT, throw in a 4080S and new SSD and call it a day.

Be aware that RTX 50xx release later this year so might be worth waiting.

 

[Dr. Dro]

it'll be fine but I also recommend going with the 7800X3D and getting the 4080 Super if the objective is gaming

I have a 13900KS and a 4080 here and they work well together you should expect a similar experience out of that machine, slightly better gaming actually

 

[theouto]

At 4K? Yes, the GPU will be the cause of a bottleneck. 1440p? Yes, 1080p? Depends on the game, newer ones? Probably, but 2018 and below? The cpu will be the bottleneck.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

Depends on what the guy is doing. If he's tryna play Cyberpunk 2077 at 8K with all the ray tracing enabled then this GPU is definitely a bottleneck and a half. If he's about to slay everything in Counter-Strike and CoD then even a 4060 Ti is more than qualified.

And the thing is, the bottlenecks are inevitable. In some games, you will be mostly CPU constrained; in others, GPU constrained; at some games it might feel balanced... until you go to some "cursed" location where it's 77 times the NPC count you normally have there and your CPU performance plummets. You can spend trillions man-hours calibrating your build but it'll fall flat on your face regardless. You never know with these hyper sloppy game developers.

Overall, 4070 Ti Super is a very reasonable high refresh rate 1440p / 4K non-Ultra gaming device. Is it worth it going for 4080? No idea, you didn't tell us the prices and your friend's wallet capacity. Nor did you tell what his gaming preferences are.

 

[maramsp]

Better off with a 7800X3D, 32 GB of 6000/30, and a 4080 Super.

He should also prioritise replacing that old SATA SSD with a modern M.2 such as SN770 or 990 Pro.

What power supply does he have.

Since he already has the 7950X3D and the RAM, maybe just OC it to 6000 MT, throw in a 4080S and new SSD and call it a day.

Be aware that RTX 50xx release later this year so might be worth waiting.

Thing is, he already has a 7950X3D, the above system is already inside his case. But now he simply does have a 3060 12gb, which will get replaced.

About the SSD, he also still has a m.2 drive. But windows is installed on the 860. He says that he experience, that windows will not boot faster while being on an m.2 on which he installed windows before.
I agree with him here, and also we think its better to keep an m.2 completely dedicated to gaming, especially when the m.2 is not so big (like mine is only 500gb, and his too iirc, and when you want to install multiple direct storage games, which requiring a m.2 ofc)

Psu btw, is a corsair hx1500i, still the old version, pre 2022, so we will get a corsair type 4 cable to deliver power to the new gpu.

Oc'ing is a no go btw, for both of us. Cause we dont know how to do it, but also because we dont mind having the parts we already have, "as they are".

Waiting for the xx50 release.. Ye, might be an option, but its also a risk doing that cause of prices (here in the netherlands we pay 21% extra for taxes, above msrp) and also maybe cause of scalpers, or other availability issues.

it'll be fine but I also recommend going with the 7800X3D and getting the 4080 Super if the objective is gaming

I have a 13900KS and a 4080 here and they work well together you should expect a similar experience out of that machine, slightly better gaming actually

Same as above, the 7950X3D is already in his case.

But here for both your replies, i read that the 4070TI super will not bottleneck. And i think that will solve his issue. Cause he wanted to know "if" the card would be a bottleneck problem.

Depends on what the guy is doing. If he's tryna play Cyberpunk 2077 at 8K with all the ray tracing enabled then this GPU is definitely a bottleneck and a half. If he's about to slay everything in Counter-Strike and CoD then even a 4060 Ti is more than qualified.

And the thing is, the bottlenecks are inevitable. In some games, you will be mostly CPU constrained; in others, GPU constrained; at some games it might feel balanced... until you go to some "cursed" location where it's 77 times the NPC count you normally have there and your CPU performance plummets. You can spend trillions man-hours calibrating your build but it'll fall flat on your face regardless. You never know with these hyper sloppy game developers.

Overall, 4070 Ti Super is a very reasonable high refresh rate 1440p / 4K non-Ultra gaming device. Is it worth it going for 4080? No idea, you didn't tell us the prices and your friend's wallet capacity. Nor did you tell what his gaming preferences are.

Nah, he just wants to play mainstream games at 2160p. He also is gonna buy a new screen that's only 1440p. Thats good enough for him. I myself even still play at 1080p

And yes, like you said the one game requires more cpu, the other requires more gpu, true that.

At 4K? Yes, the GPU will be the cause of a bottleneck. 1440p? Yes, 1080p? Depends on the game, newer ones? Probably, but 2018 and below? The cpu will be the bottleneck.

So its the other way around then i think. For 4k you still need a better card then instead of the 4080. Hmm, actually makes sense imo.
But still even with raytracing enabled on 4k, the 4080 and the 4070ti super still gets decent fps if i see some comparisons and measures online.
Not sure if theyre true ofc, but still, it doesnt matter, cause hes gonna play at 1440p.

But thanks still all! This was very helpful! I will let him know!

Cheers from us both

Quick edit:

After reading a bit more, i forgot to tell some more.

His budget is around 1500 euro. But he want both parts (GPU and screen) to be white colored, to match the rest of his setup. So, gpu wise that will be around a 100 euro extra, and for a screen also around 100 euro.
But his screen is already settled, which will be an Asus rog Strix XG27AQ, and that is set in stone already, and costs, with pixel waranty be at 600 euros.

For the rest, the games he plays, that differs. Sometimes he plays the newest games, sometimes he plays quite old games. F.e. he plays red alert 2 still very much, but he also plays dragons dogma 2 a lot.
But hes more like being a person that wants a pc that can play everything at decent fps and quality. So a bit of both worlds so to say.

 

[GerKNG]

how is a GPU supposed to bottleneck a CPU?
either it is not bottlenecked by the CPU or it is bottlenecked by the CPU.

 

[maramsp]

how is a GPU supposed to bottleneck a CPU?
either it is not bottlenecked by the CPU or it is bottlenecked by the CPU.

So you mean in this case, that either the gpu would be bottlenecked by the cpu, or the other way around?

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

he just wants to play mainstream games

May I ask you to clarify that? What are "mainstream" games? The Sims is mainstream because everyone knows what it is; so is Cyberpunk. However, playing Sims with 4070 Ti Super is too easy but Cyberpunk becomes tricky once you enable RT or decide on 150+ FPS being a necessity.

But still even with raytracing enabled on 4k, the 4080 and the 4070ti super still gets decent fps

At "pure" 4K, they get trashed if you enable RT. With DLSS at aggressive modes (Balanced or even Performance) and some loosening here'n'there (e.g. disabling path tracing and opting for a more vanilla RT), you might squeeze 100+ FPS. Like, I got a 4K display and a 6700 XT which is, firstly, a low-tier GPU, and secondly, an AMD GPU. However, I can play Cyberpunk 2077 + RT at 40+ FPS if I only enable RT Reflections and push FSR to the Performance mode. It's far from ideal, however, I prefer playing at 60+ FPS with higher fidelity so I'm doing no RT and no FSR but XeSS instead (XeSS provides much better image quality).
In most games, going for maxed out settings only ruins your framerate and doesn't meaningfully improve image quality.

 

[maramsp]

May I ask you to clarify that? What are "mainstream" games? The Sims is mainstream because everyone knows what it is; so is Cyberpunk. However, playing Sims with 4070 Ti Super is too easy but Cyberpunk becomes tricky once you enable RT or decide on 150+ FPS being a necessity.

150 definitely not being a necessity. between 45 and 60 fps mostly is enough.
But the games that he wants to play are for example Horizon forbidden west, ghost of tsushima, cyberpunk (but just at around 60 fps), and such games. So like i said before, just a bit of both worlds. And no, again, 150 fps is not a must really. It just has to be playable, while also looking a bit nice, so for example not lowering the resolution to around 720p, etc etc.

At "pure" 4K, they get trashed if you enable RT. With DLSS at aggressive modes (Balanced or even Performance) and some loosening here'n'there (e.g. disabling path tracing and opting for a more vanilla RT), you might squeeze 100+ FPS. Like, I got a 4K display and a 6700 XT which is, firstly, a low-tier GPU, and secondly, an AMD GPU. However, I can play Cyberpunk 2077 + RT at 40+ FPS if I only enable RT Reflections and push FSR to the Performance mode. It's far from ideal, however, I prefer playing at 60+ FPS with higher fidelity so I'm doing no RT and no FSR but XeSS instead (XeSS provides much better image quality).
In most games, going for maxed out settings only ruins your framerate and doesn't meaningfully improve image quality.

Ye, thought so myself as well that pure 4k is simply too powerful. But ofcourse he will enable DLSS cause its simply too powerful to get fps, to not enable it. Imo, not enabling it, is stupid if you dont have enough fps while not enabling it. For me the treshold lies at 30-35fps. But also depends on the game.
F.e, the sims is fairly playable at 30 fps, especially with my thousands of mods, i am very happy if it reaches a stable 30-35 fps.
But for shooters etc, like battlefield or such games, then 60fps is a real must i think.

 

[Deleted member 239770]

If you care about RT, 4080 SUPER - 4090
If not 7900 XT-4090.

The 7900 XT is in the holy grail land for raster and raw performance for the money but falls behind in hard RT games that use path tracing.

The 7900 XT can OC near to the base XTX (Game dependent). https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/final-fantasy-xiv-dawntrail-official-benchmark.321528/

 

[Dr. Dro]

Just get the 4070 Ti SUPER, it won't disappoint

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Just get the 4070 Ti SUPER, it won't disappoint

Either card assuming 799 vs 999 usd is fine I wouldn't spend a dollar more on either though.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

I'd personally wait for 4090 to become a 3-figure GPU. Not gonna happen this year though.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'd personally wait for 4090 to become a 3-figure GPU. Not gonna happen this year though.

5080 might do it or fingers crossed an 800 usd 5070ti.....

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

an 800 usd 5070ti.....

Not gonna happen, unless AMD do something that they've never done: actually declare a price war. $1100 for a 5070 level device will not surprise me whatsoever.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Not gonna happen, unless AMD do something that they've never done: actually declare a price war. $1100 for a 5070 level device will not surprise me whatsoever.

Na they'll have one decent sub 1k card for sure regardless of amd...... Gaming is still a 3 billion market per quarter for them regardless of all the AI bs.

 

[Steevo]

7800X3D and 32 or 64GB RAM

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

Na they'll have one decent sub 1k card for sure regardless of amd

2070 ($500 to $600): semi-decent GPU. Competition: RX 5700 XT (didn't do really well but both RTX and DLSS weren't praised back then so AMD got away with their suboptimal release).
3070 ($500 on paper; $overninethousand in fact): could've been a fantastic 3060 Ti for 400ish USD but alas. Competition: RX 6700 XT / 6800 non-XT. The former was slower and now it's also in a gutter due to lack of RT performance and DLSS compatibility. The latter had been too expensive to really bother 3070.
4070 Ti ($800 to $900): just barely outperforms RTX 3080, the 7-Franklin GPU. Competition: 7900 XT; very expensive and with non-existent RT performance. Meh.
4070 Ti Super ($800 to $900): just barely faster than a non-Super. Competition: 7900 XT; still very expensive and with non-existent RT performance, also not faster in raster anymore. Double meh.
4080 (real 3070's successor; $1200 and beyond): extremely overpriced piece of silicon. Competition: none; technically 7900 XTX but y'know...
4080 Super ($1000 and beyond): overpriced piece of silicon. Competition: see above.

Do you really think we'll witness anything impressive other than yet another price increase from NV?

 

[ir_cow]

Now this is turning into a Nvidia vs AMD fanboy war.

Back to the original question. If the Op bought a 4080 would be bottleneck by the AMD processor. Only if you a e-sport gamer is my answer.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

If the Op bought a 4080 would be bottleneck by the AMD processor.

It actually was the opposite, "would the 4080 bottleneck the CPU?"

But yeah, 4070TS / 4080 are overqualified for competitive stuff.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Yeah I agree. $799-849 4070 Ti Super is the sweet spot in cost, performance and functionality for Nvidia right now. 4080 Super if you find at 999 MSRP or an original 4080 at $900 tops. 4090s too expensive to adopt at this stage, if buying at this segment stick with 3060 stop gap for now and buy 5090 at launch

 

[ir_cow]

It actually was the opposite, "would the 4080 bottleneck the CPU?"

Same thing, different wording

 

[Flogger23m]

So what resolution is he going to play at? That is the most important question. If 2560x1440, the 4070ti Super is an excellent choice. If 3440x1440 ultra wide, it is still a good choice, though a 4080 Super will of course be better. If going to 4K, I would certainly want a 4080 Super.


Generally a CPU will bottleneck a GPU if your GPU is too fast and the CPU is slow and can't keep the minimum frame rate stable. For example, you may be getting 50 frame rates and you upgrade your GPU. You now get 80 frame rates average, but there are still large frame rate drops occasionally in situations where the CPU is limited. So the overall minimum frame rate will not be as stable. Average is important but you also want consistency and a high minimum frame rate. Your CPU will not be limiting your GPU. A 7800XD3 is better for gaming than the CPU selected, though that has more cores so might be better in productivity. The difference isn't that big though and it is an excellent CPU.

For example, you can view my benchmarks with a 7800X3D and a slower 4070 Super at 2560x1440. You can view the Cyberpunk settings here.

Dying Light 2. I have ray tracing enabled as well as DLSS.

If you are going to use ray tracing, you will need to use DLSS and possibly frame generation.

 

[Toothless]

This whole bottleneck drama needs to stop. Buy the card you want and leave the damn thing alone.