Will This Cooler Still Work?

[Creatorbros3]

I currently have a Ryzen 7 2700 installed and I am using this cooler: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VT...-xt-basic-7616-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-224-xt-basic. It keeps it plenty cool, so I have not had any concern. I have recently purchased a Ryzen 9 5950X that will be coming in a few days. I am wondering if I ought to order a new cooler in anticipation of cooling difficulties with this processor. I supposed it doesn't hurt to install it as is and see from there - but I would like a stable system in the meantime if I need to wait for a beefier cooler. Any thoughts?

Has anyone here used this cooler with the 5950X? I have considered buying a Noctua NH-U12A for a while. Would this be good upgrade to run the 5950X or should I be expecting higher temps and therefore reach for a more efficient cooler? I steer away from liquid as I have never been a huge fan of the thought of having water circulating around all those electronics. Air has worked fine for me until now too - so there has not been much incentive.

If anyone thinks the current solution will not work, any suggestions for alternatives would be appreciated. I have only heard good things about the Noctua I mentioned as well has the NH-D15, but the price on those are a bit of a premium. Probably worth it, but I am for sure open to other suggestions.

 

[sLowEnd]

[Insert Thermalright dual tower recommendation here]

 

[jak_2456]

I would go for the Thermalright Peerless Assassin; it performed better than the NH-D15 while only costing US$33. If you think it's too loud, just buy some nice Arctic fans and you'll have a very nice, quiet, affordable cooler.

 

[Creatorbros3]

[Insert Thermalright dual tower recommendation here]

Is that the Peerless Assassin one I am finding? Or which Thermalright Dual Tower?

I would go for the Thermalright Peerless Assassin; it performed better than the NH-D15 while only costing US$33. If you want water cooling, ID-cooling also sells reasonably priced 240 mm AIOs.

Ah, thank you! I will look into that one too. Was that on AM4 platforms specifically that it performed better? I know different coolers perform somewhat differently on the various sockets/processors.

 

[jak_2456]

Is that the Peerless Assassin one I am finding? Or which Thermalright Dual Tower?

Yep. That's the right one. Thermalright sells a few other too.

Is that the Peerless Assassin one I am finding? Or which Thermalright Dual Tower?


Ah, thank you! I will look into that one too. Was that on AM4 platforms specifically that it performed better? I know different coolers perform somewhat differently on the various sockets/processors.

When Gamers Nexus tested it they found that it performed better across the board.

 

[Creatorbros3]

Yep. That's the right one. Thermalright sells a few other too.


When Gamers Nexus tested it they found that it performed better across the board.

Just noticed there is a assassin 90 and a 120. I assume the 120 is what I would be aiming at? EDIT: Video did not show up for me when I first saw your response. I see it is the 120. Thank you!

 

[jak_2456]

Just noticed there is a assassin 90 and a 120. I assume the 120 is what I would be aiming at?

Yes. Unless your case doesn't fit the 120 you should get that one.

 

[nomdeplume]

Just noticed there is a assassin 90 and a 120. I assume the 120 is what I would be aiming at? EDIT: Video did not show up for me when I first saw your response. I see it is the 120. Thank you!

Peerless Assassin is decent but the go to is Phantom Spirit 120 or PS120 SE which are identical other than fans supplied.

That is if your RAM and case and everything allow using a cooler the size of either these.

 

[Creatorbros3]

Peerless Assassin is decent but the go to is Phantom Spirit 120 or PS120 SE which are identical other than fans supplied.

That is if your RAM and case and everything allow using a cooler the size of either these.

My case specs say max 155mm cooler, which the peerless assassin is exactly. It is an acrylic side panel, so can flex a little if needed. Lol

 

[Toothless]

Good choice on changing coolers. Stock 5950x will pull about 140w package but if you let it do it's thing I've seen it go up to 260w package and gets hard to cool. Peerless Assassin does a good job up there.

 

[nomdeplume]

My case specs say max 155mm cooler, which the peerless assassin is exactly. It is an acrylic side panel, so can flex a little if needed. Lol

All the more reason to go with a cooler heat pipes are flush on the top of. As opposed to sticking up a few mm above the heatsink.

 

[eidairaman1]

I currently have a Ryzen 7 2700 installed and I am using this cooler: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VT...-xt-basic-7616-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-224-xt-basic. It keeps it plenty cool, so I have not had any concern. I have recently purchased a Ryzen 9 5950X that will be coming in a few days. I am wondering if I ought to order a new cooler in anticipation of cooling difficulties with this processor. I supposed it doesn't hurt to install it as is and see from there - but I would like a stable system in the meantime if I need to wait for a beefier cooler. Any thoughts?

Has anyone here used this cooler with the 5950X? I have considered buying a Noctua NH-U12A for a while. Would this be good upgrade to run the 5950X or should I be expecting higher temps and therefore reach for a more efficient cooler? I steer away from liquid as I have never been a huge fan of the thought of having water circulating around all those electronics. Air has worked fine for me until now too - so there has not been much incentive.

If anyone thinks the current solution will not work, any suggestions for alternatives would be appreciated. I have only heard good things about the Noctua I mentioned as well has the NH-D15, but the price on those are a bit of a premium. Probably worth it, but I am for sure open to other suggestions.

Look here for your answers

ID-COOLING: AIO Liquid Cooler, CPU Air Cooler, Case Fan

en.idcooling.com

https://pangoly.com/en/compatibility/id-cooling-se-224-xt-basic/cpu

 

[Creatorbros3]

Yes. Unless your case doesn't fit the 120 you should get that one.

Am I missing something between these two Amazon listings or are these the same cooler:

https://a.co/d/6QtCtlp

https://a.co/d/2HePc51

One is cheaper, delivers faster, but has fewer reviews. The other is the one linked on PC Part Picker.

 

[randomTPUreader]

Am I missing something between these two Amazon listings or are these the same cooler:

https://a.co/d/6QtCtlp

https://a.co/d/2HePc51

One is cheaper, delivers faster, but has fewer reviews. The other is the one linked on PC Part Picker.

Looks like the only difference is the "Sold by" vendor is different. Otherwise they appear identical. Is the one linked by PC Part Picker priced higher? If so that could be why.

Personally I can vouch for that model of HSF in general. I'm have one on my 5700X3D and it keeps it nice and cool. I can only barely hear the fans kick up a little when I'm stressing the CPU to 100% and it gets quiet very fast as soon as the CPU utilization drops.

 

[Zach_01]

I currently have a Ryzen 7 2700 installed and I am using this cooler: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VT...-xt-basic-7616-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-224-xt-basic. It keeps it plenty cool, so I have not had any concern. I have recently purchased a Ryzen 9 5950X that will be coming in a few days. I am wondering if I ought to order a new cooler in anticipation of cooling difficulties with this processor. I supposed it doesn't hurt to install it as is and see from there - but I would like a stable system in the meantime if I need to wait for a beefier cooler. Any thoughts?

Has anyone here used this cooler with the 5950X? I have considered buying a Noctua NH-U12A for a while. Would this be good upgrade to run the 5950X or should I be expecting higher temps and therefore reach for a more efficient cooler? I steer away from liquid as I have never been a huge fan of the thought of having water circulating around all those electronics. Air has worked fine for me until now too - so there has not been much incentive.

If anyone thinks the current solution will not work, any suggestions for alternatives would be appreciated. I have only heard good things about the Noctua I mentioned as well has the NH-D15, but the price on those are a bit of a premium. Probably worth it, but I am for sure open to other suggestions.

I'm sure you will find the right cooler. Many good suggestions above.

Just 1 matter to bring your attention to.
About the board CPU voltage delivery system. The VRM.

Do you have a reading for board VRM temperature?
If your board does have a sensor you can look at it with HWiNFO64 sensors mode

Like this in screenshot


If you want to use HWINFO64 for best and more accurate readings the "Snapshot CPU Polling" should be enabled in the main settings
(right click tray icon)



Your current R7 2700 (nonX) is a 65W TDP part which means it is a
<90W PPT (Package Power Tracking = max socket power)
~90A EDC (Electrical Design Current = max allowed current, Amperes)

The R9 5950X is a 105W TDP part and so the specification is
142W PPT
140A EDC

For both CPUs those numbers are without PBO (PBO Auto or Disabled in BIOS)

According to the following spreadsheet your board can support the 5950X but a minor consideration of airflow to the VRM should be taken when the CPU is loaded to 100% within its default limits of 140A.

AM4 Vcore VRM Ratings v1.4 (2019-11-07)

docs.google.com

Its nothing to be significantly worry about or worry at all, but just keep an eye on it.
Feel free to ask questions.

I'm have one on my 5700X3D and it keeps it nice and cool. I can only barely hear the fans kick up a little when I'm stressing the CPU to 100% and it gets quiet very fast as soon as the CPU utilization drops.

Ok but the 5700X3D is by no means comparable to 5950X.
The "produced" amount of heat could be doubled in almost any situation, single core, gaming or full load.

 

[Ruru]

A vote for the Peerless Assassin from here as well. Incredible bang for buck, reminds me of the days when Macho cost under 40EUR.

 

[Creatorbros3]

I'm sure you will find the right cooler. Many good suggestions above.

Just 1 matter to bring your attention to.
About the board CPU voltage delivery system. The VRM.

Do you have a reading for board VRM temperature?
If your board does have a sensor you can look at it with HWiNFO64 sensors mode

Like this in screenshot
View attachment 361129

If you want to use HWINFO64 for best and more accurate readings the "Snapshot CPU Polling" should be enabled in the main settings
(right click tray icon)

View attachment 361132

Your current R7 2700 (nonX) is a 65W TDP part which means it is a
<90W PPT (Package Power Tracking = max socket power)
~90A EDC (Electrical Design Current = max allowed current, Amperes)

The R9 5950X is a 105W TDP part and so the specification is
142W PPT
140A EDC

For both CPUs those numbers are without PBO (PBO Auto or Disabled in BIOS)

According to the following spreadsheet your board can support the 5950X but a minor consideration of airflow to the VRM should be taken when the CPU is loaded to 100% within its default limits of 140A.

View attachment 361133

AM4 Vcore VRM Ratings v1.4 (2019-11-07)

docs.google.com

Its nothing to be significantly worry about or worry at all, but just keep an eye on it.
Feel free to ask questions.


Ok but the 5700X3D is by no means comparable to 5950X.
The "produced" amount of heat could be doubled in almost any situation, single core, gaming or full load.

Thank you for this extensive response. I do have I think 6 fans in my case 3 in and 3 out, so it should be getting decent airflow. It may be 2 in 2 out. But it's a mesh front, mesh top case so airflow is pretty good I think. I do know the fans by the VRMs are my exhaust fans, but it should still be pulling fresh air across them. Is that going to be adequate do you think? Or is there a VRM specific can they are meaning when they are concerned about airflow.

 

[Zach_01]

Thank you for this extensive response. I do have I think 6 fans in my case 3 in and 3 out, so it should be getting decent airflow. It may be 2 in 2 out. But it's a mesh front, mesh top case so airflow is pretty good I think. I do know the fans by the VRMs are my exhaust fans, but it should still be pulling fresh air across them. Is that going to be adequate do you think? Or is there a VRM specific can they are meaning when they are concerned about airflow.

I think nice case air flow will do the trick.
Although its never bad to check things out and watch the temperature, if your board has a VRM temp sensor.

 

[Creatorbros3]

I think nice case air flow will do the trick.
Although its never bad to check things out and watch the temperature, if your board has a VRM temp sensor.

Great! I think I have Hwinfo on my system. When I am back home I will take a look. What are safe temps for the VRM? Do they have a higher heat tolerance or are you wanting to keep them around the 40s as shown in that screenshot?

 

[A Computer Guy]

Thank you for this extensive response. I do have I think 6 fans in my case 3 in and 3 out, so it should be getting decent airflow. It may be 2 in 2 out. But it's a mesh front, mesh top case so airflow is pretty good I think. I do know the fans by the VRMs are my exhaust fans, but it should still be pulling fresh air across them. Is that going to be adequate do you think? Or is there a VRM specific can they are meaning when they are concerned about airflow.

When you have CPU installed try some heavy workloads and report back VRM temps (assuming the motherboard has a sensor, some might not).

 

[las]

[Insert Thermalright dual tower recommendation here]

True LMAO

 

[Zach_01]

Great! I think I have Hwinfo on my system. When I am back home I will take a look. What are safe temps for the VRM? Do they have a higher heat tolerance or are you wanting to keep them around the 40s as shown in that screenshot?

Well you cant really compare one board with another. Too many different VRM out there and with too many different implementations.
Also you cannot safely come to conclusion with their max current (per phase) capabilities. Only testing show the true performance.

Usually VRM have max operating temp above 100C but some of them will start throttling current (A) from ~80C.

The X570 I have has too many of them (a bit overkill) and that overall power delivery system was build for way above 200A EDC.
Plus... because I do not use a case (PC is just like an open test bench) and I use an AIO, I have 2 case fans (120mm) around CPU socket.
One on the VRM heatsink and one on DRAM sticks. So I never see VRM temp above 50C even when CPU pulls 160+A with 30C ambient.

Anyway VRMs should be fine below 75C under full CPU load.
Just check out what you have now and maybe run a full load with the R7 2700 to see how it is with the ~90A that pulls.

 

[jak_2456]

Well you cant really compare one board with another. Too many different VRM out there and with too many different implementations.
Also you cannot safely come to conclusion with their max current (per phase) capabilities. Only testing show the true performance.

Usually VRM have max operating temp above 100C but some of them will start throttling current (A) from ~80C.

The X570 I have has too many of them (a bit overkill) and that overall power delivery system was build for way above 200A EDC.
Plus... because I do not use a case (PC is just like an open test bench) and I use an AIO, I have 2 case fans (120mm) around CPU socket.
One on the VRM heatsink and one on DRAM sticks. So I never see VRM temp above 50C even when CPU pulls 160+A with 30C ambient.

Anyway VRMs should be fine below 75C under full CPU load.
Just check out what you have now and maybe run a full load with the R7 2700 to see how it is with the ~90A that pulls.

I wouldn't really worry about VRM temps unless you have a VERY cheap motherboard with no VRM heatsinks or if you had terrible airflow in your case. I am running a 5800x in a relatively affordable b450 motherboard and I haven't noticed any issues.

 

[Chrispy_]

Honestly, I have a bunch of 3950X and 5900X and 5950X workstations in the office that I built when the 224XT was the best budget cooler.

IT'S FINE.

In all the AM4 motherboards I've seen the CPU socket is oriented so that the alignment triangle is in the top left, relative to the board, which means the two Zen3 chiplets are oriented horizontally along the bottom of the socket (in red). That's where the heat is generated.

As long as your 224XT cooler (in yellow) is oriented vertically like I've shown in, the four heatpipes share the load evenly split across both chiplets and you don't have to worry about all 142W being focused on just one or two heatpipes.

Sure, you *could* buy a better cooler, but the 5900X and 5900XT are easy to cool with affordable coolers and there's really no problem keeping your existing cooler at all. To date, not one of those Zen2/Zen3 systems have had cooling issues and they've been running for several years 24/7 including regular CPU rendering and encode loads in most instances.