Windows 11 General Discussion

[theFOoL]

Like the home edition?

That's new to me as I haven't used it

 

[lexluthermiester]

does win 11 support 3.5” floppy??

Do 3.5" floppies still exist ??

Yes, and yes.

Probably.

Definitely. I use them regularly. Windows 11 support of legacy devices is actually better than Windows 10, which is one of the reasons, I like 11.

I used to disable a bunch of services on 10, not anymore on 11

I still do and will never stop. There are a ton of services that exist and run that do not need to be there.

Discord, the Asrock Updater thing

Turn those off. They should not be running unless you're actively using them.

Maybe, ASROCK is the malware!!!!

Funny, no.

What?!? Win 11 can disable updates? Like the home edition?

Oh yes. You have to do it right, but it can be done.

 

[mechtech]

How does w11 pro compared to W10 LTSC 2021??

 

[kilo]

What?!? Win 11 can disable updates? Like the home edition?

You can use a basic script to always set updates off. Somethingiin batch would look like

:start
Timeout 30
Net stop wuauserv
Goto :start

Please note, that at 60 seconds, Windows update will start, download updates, and install them. 30 seconds is a safe timeout in my experience.

 

[lexluthermiester]

How does w11 pro compared to W10 LTSC 2021??

If you're ok with Windows 10, LTSC2021 is near optimal. I like the improvements and changes made to 11 so I go through the hassle of a deep clean after install. Keep in mind though, even LTSC is not perfect. Still requires some tweaking to make it optimal.

 

[mechtech]

If you're ok with Windows 10, LTSC2021 is near optimal. I like the improvements and changes made to 11 so I go through the hassle of a deep clean after install. Keep in mind though, even LTSC is not perfect. Still requires some tweaking to make it optimal.

What improvements do you like? I have not tried w11 yet or read change log so I’m a bit clueless.

 

[Arco]

Turn those off. They should not be running unless you're actively using them.

Good point but the Asrock update is the only one I don't actually use. No reason though for 10 GB of ram to be used for minimal apps open.

 

[lexluthermiester]

What improvements do you like? I have not tried w11 yet or read change log so I’m a bit clueless.

There are a few baseline/kernel improvements(core/thread scheduling, memory management, storage device caching and access scheduling, etc.) but then there are the UI improvements. Some say they think it looks the same. I say they're silly or need to take a closer look. Compared to Windows 10, it looks better, is a more smooth experience and the settings & options have been better organized/ are more intuitive. Even the Start Menu has been better refined.

Make no mistake, Windows 7 is far & away the better UI experience! But Windows 11 is not bad. Certainly better than Windows 10.

I have not tried w11 yet or read change log so I’m a bit clueless.

My suggestion, don't listen to anyone's advice but your own as to whether or not one is better than the other. As my above opinion clearly shows, how "good" or "better" it might be is a completely subjective viewpoint. Some like it, some don't.

Best way to find out how you feel is to try it out for yourself. Use a spare drive if you want to keep your current install untouched(if you want tips on how to try it out without messing up your current install, chime and I'll help you do it.) install and give it an honest go for a few weeks. First impressions can sometimes be misleading, so you have to dig in and get to know it.

No reason though for 10 GB of ram to be used for minimal apps open.

Everyone here can agree on that. Something hinky is going on with your system.

 

[Mussels]

Recent hotfix improved my game performance, i thought it was an nvidia driver issue


spotted this in the win+g game bar

Hey arco, you dont use Logitech/corsair software do you? I had insane idle RAM usage due to LGHhub breaking and keeping a feature enabled, even when uninstalled - but only when a mic was in use
(16) PSA: Nvidia broadcast plugins for LGHUB and iCue using 1GB+ of RAM + VRAM (How to fix/remove) | TechPowerUp Forums

At it's worst with both apps using the same feature at the same time, I had 10GB of ram used for Nvbroadcast i didnt even want enabled



Around 5GB used at idle seems normal for my systems (Gotta love that win 10/11 can actually use spare RAM for caching)

 

[nomdeplume]

Recent hotfix improved my game performance, i thought it was an nvidia driver issue

Any chance you are referring to this.

Microsoft Fixes Windows 11 22H2 Gaming Issues, Resumes Updates

It wouldn't be a Windows update without some bugs, and indeed, there were some annoyances when Microsoft finally released the 22H2 update.

www.extremetech.com

November 29, 2022—KB5020044 (OS Build 22621.900) Preview - Microsoft Support

support.microsoft.com

 

[Mussels]

Yeah i couldnt find the update number, but it was the gaming fix for 22h2
I'd been seeing high render latency issues (3-8ms went to 20-30ms) in several titles like Vsync was screwing with me, but not all of them

Manually checked for updates, tada it's all back to normal


I was gaming on my secondary PC (5800x + 1070Ti) was using it for ~48 hours as I rebuilt my new loop, and saw some nuts FPS drops for no reason in fairly lightweight games that felt like a CPU limitation at the time (and i was seeing ~15% CPU usage when that same CPU at the same settings saw <5% on my 3090)

Finding out it's some screwy debug code makes sense

 

[Space Lynx]

Since I have 32gb of ram in Windows 11, should I just turn off Page File? God of War shows a usage of it, but I don't need Page File at all do I? Or do some games need it?

Side note, all I do on Win 11 is play PC games... not sure if that will help you answer my question or not, but there you go.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Since I have 32gb of ram in Windows 11, should I just turn off Page File? God of War shows a usage of it, but I don't need Page File at all do I? Or do some games need it?

That depends on the game. Some games don't like or refuse to run if a pagefile is not present. My advice is to set it and forget it. Use a fixed size pagefile, 3GB(3072MB) or 4GB(4096MB). See example;

This is my setting. 4096GB would give games that are more memory intensive a larger disc cache, but World Of Warcraft was the only game I've ever seen that needs anywhere near 4GB.

 

[Mussels]

Since I have 32gb of ram in Windows 11, should I just turn off Page File? God of War shows a usage of it, but I don't need Page File at all do I? Or do some games need it?

Side note, all I do on Win 11 is play PC games... not sure if that will help you answer my question or not, but there you go.

No, this one comes up constantly
Theres two ways this goes

1. Apps that require the page file just crash with out of memory errors
2. Windows will forcibly create and delete one when needed, adding excess writes (not all programs can do this)

It's tiring arguing that myth over and over, and constantly seeing "out of memory" problems from people who are super confused about all their free RAM

 

[Shrek]

Since I have 32gb of ram in Windows 11, should I just turn off Page File?

Why?

• If you don't need it, it doesn't get used so doesn't need to be turned off
• If you need it, don't turn it off

Eventually you will experience a program with a memory leak and will need it.

 

[Mussels]

best practice is to set it to a static, reasonable size - i use 16GB and leave it there. The bigger it is, the less likely anything will ever need to be written, deleted and re-written. Write once, read many.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
I have 32gb memory on all my builds to and just use 16mb minimum and peg it at 5gb max on page file and I haven't seen any issues.

 

[questionable]

Recent hotfix improved my game performance, i thought it was an nvidia driver issue


spotted this in the win+g game bar
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It only shows GPU: DirectStorage Supported on my win11+1660 super system. Do you know how to make it "optimised" like yours shows? The nvme drive also shows supported.

 

[lexluthermiester]

best practice is to set it to a static, reasonable size - i use 16GB and leave it there. The bigger it is, the less likely anything will ever need to be written, deleted and re-written. Write once, read many.

That's an interesting take. I agree with the static size and have been doing this for decades. I think 16GB is just way too much. 8GB is more than any game will ever really need.

 

[ThrashZone]

That's an interesting take. I agree with the static size and have been doing this for decades. I think 16GB is just way too much. 8GB is more than any game will ever really need.

Hi,
If you use as minimum 16mb the system will manage properly until it hits what ever max you enter.
Then if you have an issue increase the max.

 

[Space Lynx]

8192 i settled on this as my min and max. just rebooted.

cool, going to forget it and leave it now

 

[lexluthermiester]

Hi,
If you use as minimum 16mb the system will manage properly until it hits what ever max you enter.
Then if you have an issue increase the max.

The system doesn't need to manage the pagefile. Set it and forget it. Following the static pagefile size school of thought, Windows doesn't have to manage the pagefile as much and always knows what it has. It's just more efficient. On HDDs, it keeps the pagefile from being fragmented all over the place and on SSDs it reduces cell where to some degree.

 

[Mussels]

Posting from my 5800x/1070Ti ITX rig

wanted to make sure it had that game performance update installed, seems like 11 has worked on idle RAM usage too

Sure its not the XP days of <100MB, but it's nice to see the base OS is still getting optimised
(~5GB of cached data too, so its preloading stuff in that spare RAM)

(That text wont un-bold no matter what I do, its magic text)


Hmm: Neither my 3700x nor 5800x systems have been offered the 22H2 update. I wonder why. (Printer compatibility thing that made the news? something else?)

 

[Space Lynx]

How do I turn off Windows 11 from actively doing background virus scanning? I got a notification just now as I was playing a game that the virus scan has completed no threats detected...

wtf... I never scheduled any scans. I have no automatic submission turned off, but the rest of the virus scans on default.

any advice welcome. I don't mind it scanning, but I want to do it manual only.

edit: yes I googled how to do it. but the setting that it says should be there for me to click on isn't there... so... fuck if I know.

 

[Mussels]

How do I turn off Windows 11 from actively doing background virus scanning? I got a notification just now as I was playing a game that the virus scan has completed no threats detected...

wtf... I never scheduled any scans. I have no automatic submission turned off, but the rest of the virus scans on default.

any advice welcome. I don't mind it scanning, but I want to do it manual only.

edit: yes I googled how to do it. but the setting that it says should be there for me to click on isn't there... so... fuck if I know.

change to another antivirus
All AV's do background scanning, its kinda why they exist

Windows shouldnt do scanning while heavy demand programs are running, unless you disabled things (game mode for example, stops AV scanning while games are running - but people disable it for some unknown reason)


google says to check task scheduler as you may just have a default scheduled task in there