Thursday, August 6th 2009

SLI Hacked on Older Intel Chipsets

NVIDIA's SLI multi-GPU technology served as the biggest selling point of nForce series chipsets, as it was exclusive to it. With the advent of LGA-1366 processors and the Intel X58 chipset, NVIDIA allowed the Intel chipset to support the technology, as it soon became clear that it isn't going to be easy for NVIDIA to come up with an LGA-1366 chipset. Users of the older LGA-775 however still have the option of buying nForce 700 series based motherboards to use SLI, and hence no real attempt was made to ensure the technology is available to Intel chipsets. Until now.

A member of Expreview's Chinese enthusiast community has successfully enabled SLI on an Intel chipset based LGA-775 motherboard, the first feat of its kind since much older attempts on i975 platforms using much older GeForce hardware. Firewings_[CCG] successfully ran SLI of GeForce 8600 GT and GeForce GTX 260 cards on his Intel X38+ICH9R chipset based ASUS Maximus Formula motherboard. The feat is headed by software he modified, details of which will surface soon. The mod was validated by Expreview staff, who used the software to run GeForce GTX 260 SLI on a more recent P45+ICH10R based Maximus II Formula motherboard. "By installing the software that Firewings [CCG] provides us, we managed to enable SLI configuration in Directory Services Restore Mode. Due to some 'small problems' according to Firewings [CCG], the SLI configuration can't be realized in normal mode for now, but he says this will be fixed soon," commented Expreview. With SLI enabled, the multi-GPU setup was able offer performance scaling that proves the mod works.
Source: Expreview
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69 Comments on SLI Hacked on Older Intel Chipsets

#27
newtekie1
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The only reason nVidia doesn't allow SLi on Intel chipsets is because they want to boost sales for their own chipsets, but it hurts their graphics card sales...it is idiotic.

I've said from the beginning, both nVidia and ATi should unlock SLi/Crossfire on any platform that technically supports the technology(any motherboard with two PCI-E x16 slots).
W1zzarddont worry.. nvidia will fix this in no time and come after everyone with their big legal stick
I wish this wasn't true, but I know it is.
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#28
Mussels
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i agree with you newtekie. Nvidia should allow SLI on all motherboards (for a small fee to the maker) - they'd make more profit than they would have from selling their chipsets.

Hell, they could do it via an unlock - pay $20 more, get an unlock serial key, get SLI.
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#29
newtekie1
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Not just nVidia, ATi should do so also.
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#30
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
newtekie1Not just nVidia, ATi should do so also.
they kinda have - works on intel and AMD chipsets - who's left with dual PCI-E boards? nvidia? fat chance of them letting ATI cards work there.
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#31
p_o_s_pc
F@H&WCG addict
It would be nice if they did this for AMD chipsets(790GX ,790X,790FX)
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#32
newtekie1
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Musselsthey kinda have - works on intel and AMD chipsets - who's left with dual PCI-E boards? nvidia? fat chance of them letting ATI cards work there.
That is my point, they should. The only reason they don't is because of stupid competition BS. Just like how nVidia will never allow SLi on AMD chipsets. I'm saying they should. If you have a motherboard with two PCI-E slots, you should be able to run SLi and Crossfire, regardless of the chipset. It would save me so much trouble trying to explain to people why they can't run a second GPU...and eliminate a lot of confusion for the consumer...
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#33
steelkane
Glad to hear,, I always thought it should be about two video card,, no matter who there made by. Proprietary is lame
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#34
AddSub
Wow, somebody finally did it. Something tells me there is going to be a decent bump in sales in the coming weeks/months when it comes to nVidia based cards.
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#35
mdm-adph
EasoMwahahaha, thats why i love hackers. (well, not realy a hacker in this case, but still)
No, "hacker" is the right term, if you ask me. Nothing wrong with being a hacker.

"Crackers" are the bad guys (malicious hackers).
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#36
JrRacinFan
Served 5k and counting ...
p_o_s_pcIt would be nice if they did this for AMD chipsets(790GX ,790X,790FX)
I'm almost certain that they would be hacked the same way.
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#37
BrooksyX
Awesome news! Hopefully this will pan out before Nvidia takes over (which I highly doubt :()
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#38
phanbuey
its funny... dell hacks their XPS systems to run Crossfire on a nvidia 650i chipset.
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#39
1Kurgan1
The Knife in your Back
newtekie1That is my point, they should. The only reason they don't is because of stupid competition BS. Just like how nVidia will never allow SLi on AMD chipsets. I'm saying they should. If you have a motherboard with two PCI-E slots, you should be able to run SLi and Crossfire, regardless of the chipset. It would save me so much trouble trying to explain to people why they can't run a second GPU...and eliminate a lot of confusion for the consumer...
I don't think ATi would turn down the option to put SLI capability on their chipsets, it would just help their sales. I'm pretty sure you can look to Nvidia saying no, reason I say this is because Intel platforms can use either setup, and AMD platforms can use one. All AMD would have to do is say "no CF on Intel" to try and level the playing field. It would be awesome if Nvidia allowed SLI on AMD chipsets, then wouldn't have to choose between SLI and CF then get stuck there.
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#40
W1zzard
AddSubWow, somebody finally did it. Something tells me there is going to be a decent bump in sales in the coming weeks/months when it comes to nVidia based cards.
it makes no significant difference .. multi gpu is a tiny market segment, even less people who are interested in it and even less who have money to spend on it. all that is known so far is a claim that it might work and a screenshot that doesnt look like "normal" mode windows.
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#41
newtekie1
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1Kurgan1I don't think ATi would turn down the option to put SLI capability on their chipsets, it would just help their sales. I'm pretty sure you can look to Nvidia saying no, reason I say this is because Intel platforms can use either setup, and AMD platforms can use one. All AMD would have to do is say "no CF on Intel" to try and level the playing field. It would be awesome if Nvidia allowed SLI on AMD chipsets, then wouldn't have to choose between SLI and CF then get stuck there.
You seem to be misunderstanding what I am saying.

It is not the chipset manufacturers that are saying no, it is the graphics card manufacturers.(this we agree on)

nVidia is saying no to SLi on Intel Chipsets(except x58) and AMD chipsets.
ATi is saying no to Crossfire on nVidia chipsets.

It would be so much easier if both would just cut the bullshit and allow SLi/Crossfire on any capable motherboard. It isn't just nVidia's fault, ATi does the same thing to cut out nVidia chipsets. The only reason ATi allows crossfire on Intel chipsets is because, if they didn't, there would be no Crossfire on Intel platforms. Which would seriously hurt their sales.
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#42
Meecrob
some guys on mydigitallife are working on a way to use grub to inject an SLI cert into bios like they do with SLIC tables, IF they can ever get it worked out it could force nvidia to do a chipset check or worse every time the drivers are loaded, that could cause some slowdowns for SLI and even non-sli users, god nvidia fail at logic...
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#43
PP Mguire
AddSubWow, somebody finally did it. Something tells me there is going to be a decent bump in sales in the coming weeks/months when it comes to nVidia based cards.
Not exactly considering this isnt final, nor is it leaked.
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#44
Wrigleyvillain
PTFO or GTFO
EasoMwahahaha, thats why i love hackers. (well, not realy a hacker in this case, but still)
Actually you are spot on correct but think you have it "wrong" because the mainstream has confused and misused the term cracker (malicious software engineering)with hacker .
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#45
Meecrob
mdm-adphNo, "hacker" is the right term, if you ask me. Nothing wrong with being a hacker.

"Crackers" are the bad guys (malicious hackers).
not really, crackers are no worse then hackers, some are good others bad, sometimes "Crackers" save people like me alot of trouble by cracking a game to remove securom allowing the game to work or work properly(decent perf boost from lack of securom on nwn2 for example) when games like NWN2 that i PAYED FOR dont run as they should or are bugged to hell thanks to DRM that has ZERO negitive effect on pirates but screws people who like myself paid for the damn game crackers are the only real fix :(
newtekie1Not just nVidia, ATi should do so also.
ATI/AMD would happly support CF on Nvidia chipsets, problem is that nvidia blocks it, just like they block SLI on non-nvidia/x58 chipsets, nvidia dosnt want anybody to beable to use 2 non-nvidia cards on their boards/chipsets.

Oh and about the main topic post, nVidia has an i3/i5/i7 chipset, but intel wont let them market it, its nothing to do with nVidia not being able to make one or having trouble making the chipset, Intel just dosnt want the competition in the chipset market and used bully tactics to get nvidia to give in and let them have an SLI license......

If nVidia where smart, they would just unlock SLI on all chipsets and allow CF on their own chipsets, it would make them more money, even if the sale market for sli/cf is pretty small, it would also piss intel off.

Humm, could it be that the deal they made with intel dosnt allow them to unlock SLI on all platforms? wouldnt put it past intel to make that a stipulation.
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#46
KainXS
Meecrobnot really, crackers are no worse then hackers, some are good others bad, sometimes "Crackers" save people like me alot of trouble by cracking a game to remove securom allowing the game to work or work properly(decent perf boost from lack of securom on nwn2 for example) when games like NWN2 that i PAYED FOR dont run as they should or are bugged to hell thanks to DRM that has ZERO negitive effect on pirates but screws people who like myself paid for the damn game crackers are the only real fix :(



ATI/AMD would happly support CF on Nvidia chipsets, problem is that nvidia blocks it, just like they block SLI on non-nvidia/x58 chipsets, nvidia dosnt want anybody to beable to use 2 non-nvidia cards on their boards/chipsets.

Oh and about the main topic post, nVidia has an i3/i5/i7 chipset, but intel wont let them market it, its nothing to do with nVidia not being able to make one or having trouble making the chipset, Intel just dosnt want the competition in the chipset market and used bully tactics to get nvidia to give in and let them have an SLI license......

If nVidia where smart, they would just unlock SLI on all chipsets and allow CF on their own chipsets, it would make them more money, even if the sale market for sli/cf is pretty small, it would also piss intel off.

Humm, could it be that the deal they made with intel dosnt allow them to unlock SLI on all platforms? wouldnt put it past intel to make that a stipulation.
I don't see why nvidia and intel don't get along, nvidia is to the gpu market what intel is to the cpu market:laugh::laugh:
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#47
PP Mguire
Funny thing is, SLI can be activated through drivers. Its been done before.
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#48
Meecrob
KainXSI don't see why nvidia and intel don't get along, nvidia is to the gpu market what intel is to the cpu market:laugh::laugh:
because they both have ego's that if given gravitational pull would be able to suck up blackholes and whole star systems.

its childish and stupid, but its how they have done business since the beginning, and its how they will keep doing business till the market forces them to change.
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#49
mdm-adph
Meecrobnot really, crackers are no worse then hackers, some are good others bad, sometimes "Crackers" save people like me alot of trouble by cracking a game to remove securom allowing the game to work or work properly(decent perf boost from lack of securom on nwn2 for example) when games like NWN2 that i PAYED FOR dont run as they should or are bugged to hell thanks to DRM that has ZERO negitive effect on pirates but screws people who like myself paid for the damn game crackers are the only real fix :(
You're thinking of hackers. Hackers help you do stuff like that.

Crackers are people who would additionally modify the code of the game to steal all your web browser passwords and upload them to a server in Latvia. :laugh:
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#50
AltecV1
that should please intel/nvidia fans!
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