Doesn't mac osx have this? and you can dual boot it.

No, it has UEFI, but not this digital signing. This is something new - well, resurrected. :rolleyes:

It would be cracked before launch anyways

v12dockIt would be cracked before launch anyways

Nah, don't be silly - just look at all the other secure and successful DRM solutions out there. :laugh:

Interesting read.

Way to add some sensationalism there qubit
a sniplet from > arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/09/windows-8-secure-boot-will-complicate-linux-installs.ars?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arstechnica%2Findex+%28Ars+Technica+-+Featured+Content%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher <
Disabling secure boot

“Microsoft requires that machines conforming to the Windows 8 logo program and running a client version of Windows 8 ship with secure boot enabled,” Red Hat developer Matthew Garrett writes on his blog in reference to a recent presentation by Microsoft program manager Arie van der Hoeven. The Microsoft exec notes that UEFI and secure boot are “required for Windows 8 client” with the result that “all firmware and software in the boot process must be signed by a trusted Certificate Authority.”

Microsoft has a good reason for this. A “growing class of malware targets the boot path [and] often the only fix is to reinstall the operating system,” van der Hoeven said. “UEFI and secure boot harden the boot process [and] reduce the likelihood of bootkits, rootkits and ransomware.”

Importantly, though, Garrett writes that “there’s no indication that Microsoft will prevent vendors from providing firmware support for disabling this feature and running unsigned code.”

For many (and hopefully most) Windows 8 machines, this means that users have a good chance of successfully entering the UEFI settings interface to turn off secure boot. But this will depend on the hardware vendor.

“Experience indicates that many firmware vendors and OEMs are interested in providing only the minimum of firmware functionality required for their market,” Garrett writes. “It's almost certainly the case that some systems will ship with the option of disabling this. Equally, it's almost certainly the case that some systems won't. It's probably not worth panicking yet. But it is worth being concerned.”

Technically, vendors can ship Windows 8 PCs without meeting Microsoft's "designed for Windows 8" logo requirements, but major OEMs typically would not do that.

The Windows 8 developer tablet Microsoft handed out at this month’s recent BUILD conference did include the ability to turn off the secure boot process. This is reminiscent of Google’s Cr-48 Chromebook, which allowed users to turn off the Verified Boot process and install another operating system, though this involved flipping a physical switch instead of changing a software setting.

The only "DRM" that ever actually worked is Casino security.

its not really DRM its no different the driver signature enforcement its there to keep bad people from doing bad things and it has a "off switch"

OneMoarWay to add some sensationalism there qubit

Thanks, I'll take that as a complement. ;) My writing style is a combination of irreverent, humourous and at times cynical and sarcastic. I particularly liked my headline "Customer Agony over Netflix's Price Rises & New Split Personality". I loved the "Customer agony" bit. :D

OneMoara sniplet from > arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/09/windows-8-secure-boot-will-complicate-linux-installs.ars?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arstechnica%2Findex+%28Ars+Technica+-+Featured+Content%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher <
Disabling secure boot

“Microsoft requires that machines conforming to the Windows 8 logo program and running a client version of Windows 8 ship with secure boot enabled,” Red Hat developer Matthew Garrett writes on his blog in reference to a recent presentation by Microsoft program manager Arie van der Hoeven. The Microsoft exec notes that UEFI and secure boot are “required for Windows 8 client” with the result that “all firmware and software in the boot process must be signed by a trusted Certificate Authority.”

Microsoft has a good reason for this. A “growing class of malware targets the boot path [and] often the only fix is to reinstall the operating system,” van der Hoeven said. “UEFI and secure boot harden the boot process [and] reduce the likelihood of bootkits, rootkits and ransomware.”

Importantly, though, Garrett writes that “there’s no indication that Microsoft will prevent vendors from providing firmware support for disabling this feature and running unsigned code.”

For many (and hopefully most) Windows 8 machines, this means that users have a good chance of successfully entering the UEFI settings interface to turn off secure boot. But this will depend on the hardware vendor.

“Experience indicates that many firmware vendors and OEMs are interested in providing only the minimum of firmware functionality required for their market,” Garrett writes. “It's almost certainly the case that some systems will ship with the option of disabling this. Equally, it's almost certainly the case that some systems won't. It's probably not worth panicking yet. But it is worth being concerned.”

Technically, vendors can ship Windows 8 PCs without meeting Microsoft's "designed for Windows 8" logo requirements, but major OEMs typically would not do that.

The Windows 8 developer tablet Microsoft handed out at this month’s recent BUILD conference did include the ability to turn off the secure boot process. This is reminiscent of Google’s Cr-48 Chromebook, which allowed users to turn off the Verified Boot process and install another operating system, though this involved flipping a physical switch instead of changing a software setting.

Of course Microsoft are gonna dress it up as something positive and benign, they're trying to get it established! People like the prof and the blogger however, can see right through it. As you see in the article, it was only widespread opposition eight years ago that stopped this restrictive practice from becoming standard. This stuff is like Apple lock-ins on steroids; you ain't seen nothin' yet, baby!

Personally, I think once more it will fail, because it's too blatant an attempt at shutting out the competition, but society must remain eternally vigilant against such abuses.

qubitThanks, I'll take that as a complement. ;) My writing style is a combination of irreverent, humourous and at times cynical and sarcastic. I particularly liked my headline "Customer Agony over Netflix's Price Rises & New Split Personality". I loved the "Customer agony" bit. :D


Of course Microsoft are gonna dress it up as something positive and benign, they're trying to get it established! People like the prof and the blogger however, can see right through it. As you see in the article, it was only widespread opposition eight years ago that stopped this restrictive practice from becoming standard. This stuff is like Apple lock-ins on steroids; you ain't seen nothin' yet, baby!

Personally, I think once more it will fail, because it's too blatant an attempt at shutting out the competition, but society must remain eternally vigilant against such abuses.

typical foss user ranting lulz :banghead: people like you are why linux has less then a 5% share of the desktop market

This article: Designed to start a flamewar?

I have to wonder if this would have any effect on 3rd party software that is not driver signed?
And would we need to update our bios if we want win8?

OneMoartypical foss user ranting lulz :banghead: people like you are why linux has less then a 5% share of the desktop market

Thanks for the personal attack. :rolleyes: I would have appreciated an intelligent response to my intelligent (and pleasant) response.

KatanaiThis article: Designed to start a flamewar?

pretty much its your typical twist the facts and bend words to make it looks like the big evil corporation has it out for them
not what I like to see on tpu :(

qubitThanks for the personal attack. :rolleyes: I would have appreciated an intelligent response to my intelligent (and pleasant) response.

there was nothing intelligent or pleasant about your post its badly edited and copypasta and its apparently made to look like OMG Microsoft is evil and disregards both the fact that A: if Microsoft wanted to _block linux_ they could have done so years ago b: thats not what this is intended for

OneMoarthere was nothing intelligent or pleasant about your post its badly edited and copypasta and its apparently made to look like OMG Microsoft is evil and disregards both the fact that A: if Microsoft wanted to _block linux_ they could have done so years ago b: thats not what this is intended for

You are really becoming blatantly insulting now. And you really need to stop. How about you just unsub from this thread and stop crapping in it?

qubitAlso, it's not at all clear that it actually secures against viruses and other malware and appears to be solely designed to appease corporate self interests for unbreakable Digital Restrictions Management (DRM).

On the surface, I reach the same conclusion. This is bad joo joo.

OneMoarthere was nothing intelligent or pleasant about your post its badly edited and copypasta and its apparently made to look like OMG Microsoft is evil and disregards both the fact that A: if Microsoft wanted to _block linux_ they could have done so years ago b: thats not what this is intended for

and no I was making a generalization not a _personal attack_
THIS is a personal attack
[example] qubit is the stereotypical FOSS zelot that doesn't know his carriage returns from his brackets and should go burn in the fiery pits of mordor [example/]

I didnt see this coming but it doesnt surprise me either

smh

This sounds like it may suck for pre built computers, i know it does not seam like much of an issue for most of us but that would include laptops, netbooks and other things that people like us would buy pre built.

Oh and qubit i must say i have been enjoying your news posts, one of the reasons is the late night posing, well late night for users like me in britland. :toast:

so
because this the user of cracked windows will rise high than before?
i guess this is interesting

bear jesusOh and qubit i must say i have been enjoying your news posts, one of the reasons is the late night posing, well late night for users like me in britland. :toast:

aye, +1 for qubit

the lot of you keep overlooking the point that it HAS a off button AND its A uEFI foundation spec NOT a Microsoft one its not any different the SLIC embedded in most oem bios's
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OneMoartypical foss user ranting lulz :banghead: people like you are why linux has less then a 5% share of the desktop market

Actually it's more to do with the fact Linux is a niche OS that is only used by professionals and techies since the average user doesn't want to go through all the hoops to get what they want out of software.

Microsoft trying to turn PC into iMac, if so ... over my dead body.

Microsoft has no authority to do that for the whole industry, if so it could shape out to be a conspiracy, imo