Damn... I am in the red camp, but this looks awesome.
And stupidly expensive...

The perpetual question for all time....wonderful but can it play Crysis?! :D

Crowd going wild in 3..2..1...

NC37The perpetual question for all time....wonderful but can it play Crysis?!

Oh, come on, do not irritate with stupid questions. :D

Many older videocards even from lower performance segments can do it perfectly fine.

The question is not whether it should run the aging Crysis, but what's new it will be able to run. :)

We are very soon going to jump on new progressive manufacturing processes, so TitanX will become obsolete sooner rather than later. ;)

Question is how much?

KovoetQuestion is how much?

I heard $999 (Ex. VAT)

It is gonna be madly expensive, but what not cost any thing is dreams´. I got 2 GTX 970 in sli and are happy whit that.

But...

Why not DP 1.3 ?

24x4gb is a lot more than 12gb

Duke45624x4gb is a lot more than 12gb

It's 4 Gb "giga bits", so 24*4/8 = 12GB "giga bytes".

.....totally awesome!!! I This is simply not for the value or bang for the buck crowd so ....oh the high price comments are out of place here.

ensabrenoir.....totally awesome!!! I This is simply not for the value or bang for the buck crowd so ....oh the high price comments are out of place here.

Keep on dreaming, amigo.

Just looking at the launch price of the state-of-the-art, top dog, the fastest graphics card at the time of its launch - the Radeon HD 5870, and guess what?! Its launch price was set to 379$.

For comparison reasons, nvidia has always been worse regarding prices, at the time of the 8800 Ultra launch (when there was no competition at all), its price was set to north of 830$, while the 8800 GTX was 600-650$.

So, if you think that those money-grabbing bastards need to charge you 1000$, then you are in a big mistake and nothing good is going to happen to you since you really are ready to waste your money, to throw, or I don't know how else to describe it.

Again, not trying to be 'that guy', but I am about infinately less pumped about this product now that it has been 'leaked' AMD will have an 8GB variant of the 390x. One could have rightfully assumed they might, but I was under the impression 2nd gen HBM was more of an end of the year thing (granted those road maps are old and 'subject to change without notice'), meaning Arctic Islands/Pascal being the first to use them in 2016 or at best an end-of-year refresh for 390x. If it comes earlier, that changes things dramatically.

Sure, it might not come first, or even for a while, but the fact they are (seemingly) putting a rush on it really puts a clamp on Titan's main function (scaling above limitations of 4GB/1440p; 6GB and it's conceivable inadequacy at 4k). If the mainstream GM200/Fiji parts can overclock well, which by their memory setup (both less and in AMD's case more efficient use of power) they should...it really takes the wind out of Titan's sails.

When I saw the 'leaked benchmarks' of overclocks on Titan (1222mhz), first thing I did was subtract the power usage from 6GB of ram. What you end up with is a part that *should* overclock to ~1400mhz*. Doing the math, one can assume 980ti (with conceivably 3 less units) ends up a similar part in the end...pretty much separated by stock performance, core power efficiency, and memory buffer. It also just so happens this should be enough core performance (Titan at stock/980ti overclocked) to max out settings at 1440p or overclocked (in Titan's case because of buffer) strong-enough in an sli config to run even demanding games at 4k.

*This fits with nvidia's philosophy of raising clocks of maxwell around 20%. 1v should be very power efficient (and could yield a clock of around 1222) while a lesser part could use voltage (in place of more memory) up to the power leakage curve of ~1.163v (1.163*1.2 = 1400mhz).

At any rate, the target is very much known, what's left to see is how amd performs...if they can clock their less-optimized and more compute-heavy core to scale games at 4k with 8GB in crossfire...1440p *should* be fine. If they can, there is room for AMD to swoop in and grab market from 980 (390), 980 8GB (390 8GB), '980ti' 6GB (4GB for ~1440p) and Titan (crossfire 8GB and 4k) all with one chip...and conceivably at much lower prices.

TLDR; So yeah, so I find Titan the least exciting part of upcoming product launches.

Sony Xperia SSo, if you think that those money-grabbing bastards need to charge you 1000$, then you are in a big mistake and nothing good is going to happen to you since you really are ready to waste your money, to throw, or I don't know how else to describe it.

It's the free market. In a free market, you can only charge what people are willing to pay (otherwise it won't sell). With as many of these as they will sell, based on previous Titans, it's probably priced too low. They could probably get more. But it doesn't matter, because it's out of my price range, so there is nothing for me to be upset about. That's like getting mad because Ferraris (which I can't afford) exist.

rtwjunkieIt's the free market. In a free market, you can only charge what people are willing to pay (otherwise it won't sell). With as many of these as they will sell, based on previous Titans, it's probably priced too low. They could probably get more. But it doesn't matter, because it's out of my price range, so there is nothing for me to be upset about. That's like getting mad because Ferraris (which I can't afford) exist.

In a free market, you give away as much as you are willing to get the product and simply get it.

In your hell market world, the company prices it 'as free as they like' and customer says - I will not buy it, and the company just does nothing, or if you are really lucky, they will lower it to a certain extent.

Or in other words - the market is not free because you don't reach a deal acceptable for both sides. Only for the corporation.

This is called corporative fascism and has nothing to do with anything free for people.

Sony Xperia SIn a free market, you give away as much as you are willing to get the product and simply get it.

In your hell market world, the company prices it 'as free as they like' and customer says - I will not buy it, and the company just does nothing, or if you are really lucky, they will lower it to a certain extent.

Or in other words - the market is not free because you don't reach a deal acceptable for both sides. Only for the corporation.

This is called corporative fascism and has nothing to do with anything free for people.

Free market doesn't mean products are free. It means businesses are free to set their own prices for goods and services in competition with other businesses without a lot of interference from government.


free mar·ket

1. an economic system in which prices are determined by unrestricted competition between privately owned businesses.

Sony Xperia SIn a free market, you give away as much as you are willing to get the product and simply get it.

In your hell market world, the company prices it 'as free as they like' and customer says - I will not buy it, and the company just does nothing, or if you are really lucky, they will lower it to a certain extent.

Or in other words - the market is not free because you don't reach a deal acceptable for both sides. Only for the corporation.

This is called corporative fascism and has nothing to do with anything free for people.

All I see here is someone cluttering up a product announcement of sorts, who has not bothered to get any kind of learning in economics. Please come back when you've had some, even self-taught would be better than the rhetoric you just belted out.

64KFree market doesn't mean products are free. It means businesses are free to set their own prices for goods and services in competition with other businesses without a lot of interference from government.

I didn't say that I wanna free products, just active negotitiations with customers about their prices. Something which exists in limited cases, or only for the big enough. The smaller customers are in some type of discrimination, that's why I said 'corporative fascism' - in the same way the fascists protected only those who they decided to.

Of course, "free market" is far from being ideal and has severe drawbacks.

Well so now we know what to expect, I am a bit surprised by the boost clock and the ram clock mostly because I was actually expecting both to be a bit lower starting out (Not much lower but just a bit). This is going to be an interesting card mostly because I am more curious if its the full fledged die or if its a cut down chip as that could be the deciding factor for many this go round and the performance in the end.

Still loving those output choices as well!

Sony Xperia SI didn't say that I wanna free products, just active negotitiations with customers about their prices. Something which exists in limited cases, or only for the big enough. The smaller customers are in some type of discrimination, that's why I said 'corporative fascism' - in the same way the fascists protected only those who they decided to.

Of course, "free market" is far from being ideal and has severe drawbacks.

All I can say to that is: "welcome to the real world".

So the price?

Sony Xperia SI didn't say that I wanna free products, just active negotitiations with customers about their prices. Something which exists in limited cases, or only for the big enough. The smaller customers are in some type of discrimination, that's why I said 'corporative fascism' - in the same way the fascists protected only those who they decided to.

Of course, "free market" is far from being ideal and has severe drawbacks.

Discrimination? Are you serious? So it's discrimination for Ferrari to sell their cars for 10 times the cost of a Fiat? Because nVidia charges a high price for a premium product, they are discriminating? The Titan's have always been "halo" products, meant to be sold in small numbers at a high price, but with the effect of raising the profile of lower-tier poducts. They act as much as a marketing tool as an actual product. Nividia can market selling the fastest GPU in the world, even if that GPU only makes up .001% of their total sales.

You also should remember that ultimately, a GPU is a luxury item bought with disposable income. A gaming GPU is not essential to your health and well-being. You can believe and agrue that nVidia is gouging you on prices, but at the end of the day, they are gouging you on the price of a TOY, which is all a gaming GPU really is. I think you may want to remember that before throwing out words like Fascism, fascists and discrimination.

Did ya'll see this?

videocardz.com/55146/amd-radeon-r9-390x-possible-specifications-and-performance-leaked

HBM 1.5, I guess? Well, that explains that. So, is that 2GB chips with an added set, or 8hi with a double-width link? Either way, it sounds like the original implementation couldn't carry that much bw, so they doubled up. Next-gen (gen2) will apparently have a single link rated for 256gbps per stack (as expected).

Also, I bet the difficult decision was knowing they couldn't keep it within 300w. I personally am happy...the thought of having 375w, 75w which surely is not going to be needed completely for 4GB extra of ram, makes this product super competitive (clocks have a better chance of reaching full potential if it can be kept cool).

Edit: Okay, I think I understand the dual-link interposer now.

Also, it just goes to show how much better of a product you can make when you do your homework and double up (okay, vias and interposer links are different, but still..can never resist a Fermi joke).

I wonder if the 8gb version will compete with the 980ti in price.

(Sorry for not throwing this in an appropriate thread; seemed relevant considering this is the latest 'big chips' post.)

GhostRyderI am more curious if its the full fledged die or if its a cut down chip as that could be the deciding factor for many this go round and the performance in the end.

Still loving those output choices as well!

GTX TITAN-X appears to be maxing out all available components on the 28 nm GM200 silicon

Initial reports seem to point to fully fledged.