Oh, nice, but had AMD been smart they would have gone past the 500 series a long time ago, been at 800 series, it would have been a much better card(costumers would think so, and the costumer is always right).

Re-branding is in my eyes fraud, its meant to deceive costumers. AMD could you please stop doing that, the press should stop reporting and testing re-branded products.

IvaroeinesOh, nice, but had AMD been smart they would have gone past the 500 series a long time ago, been at 800 series, it would have been a much better card(costumers would think so, and the costumer is always right).

Re-branding is in my eyes fraud, its meant to deceive costumers. AMD could you please stop doing that, the press should stop reporting and testing re-branded products.

Rebranding is by no means exclusive to AMD.

IvaroeinesOh, nice, but had AMD been smart they would have gone past the 500 series a long time ago, been at 800 series, it would have been a much better card(costumers would think so, and the costumer is always right).

Re-branding is in my eyes fraud, its meant to deceive costumers. AMD could you please stop doing that, the press should stop reporting and testing re-branded products.

Like the X800GTO? Or the X550?

Nvidia is just as guilty or rebrands, and may have originated it.

Looking forward for the RX 600 and RX 700 re-brands of the RX 300.... Yawn...

RX = Re-brands eXtended

IvaroeinesOh, nice, but had AMD been smart they would have gone past the 500 series a long time ago, been at 800 series, it would have been a much better card(costumers would think so, and the costumer is always right).

Re-branding is in my eyes fraud, its meant to deceive costumers. AMD could you please stop doing that, the press should stop reporting and testing re-branded products.

In terms of business, cost, responsibility to investors and many other reasons... AMD is making the right decision to rebrand. AMD is not out of the woods won't be for quite awhile.

Once they are operating within healthy profit margins, they will be in a better stance to make riskier decisions.

will two rx 580s cross fire = to 1080? since my mobo don't support sli

NTM2003will two rx 580s cross fire = to 1080? since my mobo don't support sli

Yes but you get all downsides of having a multi video cards config.

I never used amd cards before so I wouldn't know but two prob still be cheaper then a 1080 ti

NTM2003I never used amd cards before so I wouldn't know but two prob still be cheaper then a 1080 ti

downsides don't always include price, in this case it's not included.

ATI (before bought by AMD) and NV were and have both been doing this for as long back as I can remember. A lot of rebrands were in the laptop segment. Straight up rebranding of an existing gpu with no changes. I disliked it then, and still do.

illliATI (before bought by AMD) and NV were and have both been doing this for as long back as I can remember. A lot of rebrands were in the laptop segment. Straight up rebranding of an existing gpu with no changes. I disliked it then, and still do.

You may dislike it, but it seems unwarranted. The primary metric in determining different tiers of graphics cards (regardless of manufacturer) is performance. Yes, there are others like power draw, acoustics, form factor and price, but these are all secondary. The reason being is that if the card doesn't meet your hardware requirements then everything else doesn't matter because you shouldn't be installing the card.

With that said, AMD is doing their best to provide cards within every tier of performance. They have already introduced a card (Vega) to represent their enthusiast tier. They designed and utilized brand new processes to do this because that was required to hit higher levels of performance. Everything below that they can already achieve with existing technology.

So why in the world do you think they would use their latest technologies to achieve performance levels that they can already attain when they posses mature, efficient, cost-effective technologies to do so? It seems quite obvious to me there isn't enough incentive to do so.

It comes down to cost and risk. Smart business leaders are adept at managing these factors. AMD is just now digging themselves out of a hole so keep that in context when you think about all of this.

In other words, you don't always have to use today's latest and greatest tools to perform yesterday's demands...

Everyone does understand that the 4xx series to 5xx series isn't just a rebrand right. They are swapping processes and the card will consume less power/clock higher. AMD is a for profit company if you want them to re-release under the same branding for something that has been torn apart as a bad buy, by a multitude of tech sites due to short comings in power you are crazy.

1450/9000 clocks and this would be a pretty decent new card.

NTM2003will two rx 580s cross fire = to 1080? since my mobo don't support sli

It depends:



www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480_CrossFire/19.html

cdawallThey are swapping processes

Do you mean LPE/LPP? Got a source on it?

RX 500 = Polaris Evolved ?
jisakutech.com/archives/2017/04/33003

<-_->RX 500 = Polaris Evolved ?
jisakutech.com/archives/2017/04/33003

So, boost clock of 1340Mhz, evolved, right, indeed nothing revolutionary.


PS
I'm worried about bloody Vega. If at freaking 500mm2 and HBM2 it can only compete with non Ti GDDR equipped 314mm2 1080, that's epic.fail.