Monday, September 4th 2017
RX Vega Achieves 43 MH/s @ 130 W in Ethereum Mining
AMD's RX Vega is more along the lines of an original computing card that was moved over to the consumer segment for gaming workloads than the other way around. Raja Koduri himself has said something along those lines (extrapolating a little more than what he can actually say), and that much can be gleaned with at least a modicum of confidence through AMD's market positioning and overall computing push. In the argument between gamers and miners, Raja Koduri didn't have all that much to say, but for AMD, a sale is a sale, and it would seem that after some tweaking, RX Vega graphics cards can achieve much increased levels of mining efficiency than their Polaris counterparts, further showing how Vega handles compute workloads much better - and more efficiently - than traditional gaming ones.Now granted, Vega's strength in mining tasks - Ethereum in particular - stems mainly from the card's usage of HBM2 memory, as well as a wide architecture with its 4096 stream processors. By setting the core clocks to 1000 MHz, the HBM2 memory clock at 1100 MHz, and power target at -24%, Reddit user S1L3N7_D3A7H was able to leverage Vega's strengths in Ethereum's PoW (Proof of Work) algorithm, achieving 43 MH/s with just 130 W of power (104 W of these for the core alone.) For comparison, tweaked RX 580 graphics cards usually deliver around 30 MH/s with 75 W core power, which amounts to around 115 W power draw per card. So Vega is achieving 43% more hash rate with a meager 13% increase in power consumption - a worthy trade-off if miners have ever seen one. This means that Vega 64 beats RX 580 cards in single node hashrate density, meaning that miners can pack more of these cards in a single system for a denser configuration with much increased performance over a similarly specced RX 580-based mining station. This was even achieved without AMD's special-purpose Beta mining driver, which has seen reports of graphical corruption and instability - the scenario could improve for miners even more with a stable release.Moreover, S1L3N7_D3A7H said he could probably achieve the same mining efficiency on a Vega 56, which isn't all that unbelievable - memory throughput is king in Ethereum mining, so HBm2 could still be leveraged in that graphics card. It seems that at least some of that initial Vega 64 stock went into some miner's hands, as expected. And with these news, I think we'd be forgiven for holding out to our hats in the expectation of increased Vega stock (at the original $499 for Vega 64 and $399 for Vega 56 MSRP) come October. Should the users' claims about RX Vega 56 efficiency be verified, and coeteris paribus in the mining algorithms landscape for the foreseeable future, then we can very much wait for respectable inventory until Navi enters the scene.
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Reddit user @ S1L3N7_D3A7H
102 Comments on RX Vega Achieves 43 MH/s @ 130 W in Ethereum Mining
tl;dr
AMD for mining and compute
NVIDIA for gaming
Software isn't always right on draw.
Investment in Mantle and Vulkan and DX12 *WASTED*
Investment in better Colaboration with Game- and Engine-Makers *WASTED*
Mining YES
Or if they plan on using mining as sustainable income, they really need to do something about the availability of chips. I really hope Navi will pay off and they'll be able to do that. If not, it's gonna suck even more. Cards that are hard to obtain with inflated prices are nothing we ever wanted.
dont believe it? under volt these cards youll be shocked
PC gamers are screwed royally first with miners snatching up cards inflating the prices and now nVidia raising prices of their GPUs(which are already inflated).
www.tweaktown.com/news/58995/geforce-gtx-10-series-price-increases-coming-month/index.html
you hit the nail on the head
GCN is stuck with so many features "Compute OK, Graphic-Processing NOT SO OK"
i lost confidence in any future change giving the needed efficiency and performance
the 1080Ti is 35% faster with 231W average THAN Vega64 Pwr-Safe 214W, what in the world should happen to get there with GCN ?
GCN Tops-out at 4 Geometry-Engines wich is forever 33.33% less than 6 wich Nvidia can build.
The only thing whould be to clock Frontend and Backend 50% higher than Nvidia, wich is very unlikely.
Primitive-Shader can help but "Never bet on a Software-Solution where you can use a Hardware-Solution!"
With a declining Marketshare at the Gaming-Cards no Studio will use Prim-Shader just for AMD
Let's hope Raj gets fired and the graphics team gets an increased budget so they can make compute cards AND gaming cards!
The successor of the GTX1080 could have 3584 Cores with 4 GPC.
I whould bet on 5 TPC per GPC again, but with new SM (without TensorCores)
they have plenty of month for tuning now, because Vega failed so hard.
I bet GCN Navi doesn´t reach the 1080Ti either, even if Navi clocks with 2.5GHz.
I really hope AMD will never ever follow that path. Nvidia went so far with crippling GPUs to the level that they swap shader files at the driver level and custom patch drivers for specific games ( isn't that supposed to be the developers problem to optimize their applications...).
I would love to see GPUs treated more like GP Processors not some specific game renderer.
EDIT:
I mean if I buy GPU I would like it to do the tasks that I throw at. It is not of anyone's business to interfere with what people do with their hardware ( edit, render, mine , game, or even experiment with other stuff).
I've been reading about it yesterday, and even WCFTech [!!!]... just think about it, WCFTech did a follow-up/fact checking on those claims: In context: they are measuring RX Vega64 with 980mV undervolt at 1130/1100 MHz (vs 1000/1100 @1000mV?).
All things considered, 43.5MH/s is still an impressive result but in this context it is irrelevant. That power consumption number is total fiction of a delusional kid from reddit and until vega finally hits the shelves at promised prices - no one in their right mind is going to buy it. It is still a 6+month for a complete return on investment at MSRP, and "f^&k that" at today's fictional retail price. In terms of perf/W - a pair of undervolted GTX1060 6G's makes more sense and is abundant in stores worldwide.
So, once again, there is no reason for miners to hunt for Vega until the price drops to MSRP, the shelves are stocked, and/or AMD optimizes the crap out of it to run ~60+MH/s.
"RX Vega Isn't for Gamers"
can be more like :
"RX Vega Isn't for Gaming ONLY!"
or maybe :
"RX Vega Isn't JUST an Nvidia titles render ONLY !"
oh .. wait ! myabe :
"RX Vega Isn't JUST an Nvidia GAME WORKS ! render ONLY !"
ahh .. nvm My language level is not that good in English :lovetpu:
If we want to follow every reddit claim, we log on to reddit, amirite?
Meanwhile, Vega Frontier Edition is not in their systems either and they waited out the first Titan to jump on the 780. You get it? :)
These are also the people who complain about Intel not making faster CPUs while there is no competitor in the world that can make them faster.
Perhaps used RX 580 and RX 480 will flooding the market soon ..