Sounds like we're slowly returning to GCN hell, I hope we're not.

If the rumors are true it's better to wait for rdna 3 and rtx 4000.

GoldenXSounds like we're slowly returning to GCN hell, I hope we're not.

Why that conclusion ?

Boosting yields and moving with a better product in the mobile market is not a bad thing and I'm really curious why you mention GCN hell when those are nothing like the GCN cards.
Something tells me they are gonna drop the power consumption with the new node a bit as well. Bigger gap between NV and AMD products.

TimelessestIf the rumors are true it's better to wait for rdna 3 and rtx 4000.

Is there any other option, unless you want to sell a kidney to try and buy current AMD cards.

Minus InfinityIs there any other option, unless you want to sell a kidney to try and buy current AMD cards.

Or sell 2 kidneys and buy Nvidia card.
These types of comments are pointless. No to mention, even if you sell those kidneys you may still not get the card due to availability.
If this move from AMD boost yields and that basically can happen, it is a good thing as long as the prices will drop which may not be true anyway but we can hope.

Minus InfinityIs there any other option, unless you want to sell a kidney to try and buy current AMD cards.

Well technically there are AMD queued drops (almost) every Thursday if you live in a country with AMD Direct shipping.

It might be more about getting more production capacity than process bump (which is still nice, I suspect)

Bring power consumption down! a 1080p gaming card consumes 200w! Unacceptable! BOTH companies!

TurmaniaBring power consumption down! a 1080p gaming card consumes 200w! Unacceptable! BOTH companies!

RX 6600 XT is a 160W card, RX 6600 is roughly 125W card at gaming.
What 1080p gaming cards? the ones that are aimed at 1440p gaming?

TurmaniaBring power consumption down! a 1080p gaming card consumes 200w! Unacceptable! BOTH companies!

It really doesn't matter because AMD has said they had no intention of leaving much performance on the table. So the cards will push themselves as much as they safely can. If you want lower power consumption, lock your framerate to 60 FPS.

Besides, both the RX 6600 and the 6600 XT are nearly at the top in terms of power efficiency.

Minus InfinityIs there any other option, unless you want to sell a kidney to try and buy current AMD cards.

Nvidia believes that supply will be better on the second half of the next year, if that happens then it'll be worth the wait.

TimelessestIf the rumors are true it's better to wait for rdna 3 and rtx 4000.

RDNA 3 and RTX 4000 are probably going to be very fast and very expensive, and the current gen will be refreshed to fill the gap to the lower end. The prices of refreshed cards might be lower at similar performance levels vs the current gen, but probably not as much as people think ...

Maybe they should tap both nodes and maybe we might see something on the shelves??

I’m seriously starting to wonder if skids of cards are just shipped directly to miners, considering there are never any in stock or anywhere near MSRP!!

GoldenXSounds like we're slowly returning to GCN hell, I hope we're not.

What do you mean? GCN was used for like 7½ years, RDNA cards have been around only for ~2½ years. Or do you mean dieshrinks and rebranding?

IMO better yields with smaller chips is always a good thing.

MaenadWhat do you mean? GCN was used for like 7½ years, RDNA cards have been around only for ~2½ years. Or do you mean dieshrinks and rebranding?

IMO better yields with smaller chips is always a good thing.

I mean we will see a mess or renames, rebrands, reutilization of older processes again.

GoldenXI mean we will see a mess or renames, rebrands, reutilization of older processes again.

Yeah, I get your point. But if these will be only for mobile GPUs, I guess that they know what they're doing.

How I read it. The mobiles will move giving better TDP/performance while unburdening 7nm for Desktop. But yeah, still vapor wear.

Power efficency here and there but a Polaris 4.0 RX 550 (on release 2017 for 89$) is slower than a GCN 1.2 (on release 2013 for 119$)

A RX 460 2GB from 2016 is on pair with custom R7 260X (HD 7790 = 2012) from 2013.

A 6400 with its 64Bit Memory Interface maybe will perform better in Games like CSGO or Fortnite, but im sure in Memory intensive Games it even is bader than a HD 7850 from 2012 (R9 265)

GoldenXI mean we will see a mess or renames, rebrands, reutilization of older processes again.

Seem to be the trend. At least 6nm is being used, according to AT this is essentially the same power/performance but 15% higher density so they should have 15% more chips to sell.

GoldenXSounds like we're slowly returning to GCN hell, I hope we're not.

I dont think so

ratirtWhy that conclusion ?

Boosting yields and moving with a better product in the mobile market is not a bad thing and I'm really curious why you mention GCN hell when those are nothing like the GCN cards.
Something tells me they are gonna drop the power consumption with the new node a bit as well. Bigger gap between NV and AMD products.

Bigger gap between Nvidia and AMD products? Lol sorry I thought I misread your post for a moment and then still realised Nvidia is king with the 3090 and soon to be released 3090ti

mechtechMaybe they should tap both nodes and maybe we might see something on the shelves??

I’m seriously starting to wonder if skids of cards are just shipped directly to miners, considering there are never any in stock or anywhere near MSRP!!

It does not matter, even RDN 3 and RTX 4000 won't change anything, as long as crypto is profitable on GPUs.
2021 saw GPU production increased by 25.7% despite tariffs and shortages. What isn't shipped directly to miners by the pallet from AMD, NVIDIA and AIBs, Scalpers will snatch up with bots in the thousands.
Some even bypassing the sales interface entirely and directly issuing orders via the API on the servers of retailers, making it quite literally impossible for a human being to compete.

Gamers are priced out of the market currently and are no longer targeted as customers by manufactures or retailers.

B2T:
Nice to see that AMD keeps pushing ahead. Hopefully at some point we will have a market with competitive, affordable and available hardware from 3 manufactures.

Testsubject01It does not matter, even RDN 3 and RTX 4000 won't change anything, as long as crypto is profitable on GPUs.
2021 saw GPU production increased by 25.7% despite tariffs and shortages. What isn't shipped directly to miners by the pallet from AMD, NVIDIA and AIBs, Scalpers will snatch up with bots in the thousands.
Some even bypassing the sales interface entirely and directly issuing orders via the API on the servers of retailers, making it quite literally impossible for a human being to compete.

Gamers are priced out of the market currently and are no longer targeted as customers by manufactures or retailers.

B2T:
Nice to see that AMD keeps pushing ahead. Hopefully at some point we will have a market with competitive, affordable and available hardware from 3 manufactures.

I would go further to say even non-gamers with no integrated GPU. Whether a home user or a business user on a work station. Fingers crossed my card lasts another 5+ years. If it dies, it would be more economical for me to buy a new mobo and a CPU with integrated graphics over a video card!! I only wish AMD would slap about 20 CU's in with a CPU.

Testsubject01It does not matter, even RDN 3 and RTX 4000 won't change anything, as long as crypto is profitable on GPUs.
2021 saw GPU production increased by 25.7% despite tariffs and shortages. What isn't shipped directly to miners by the pallet from AMD, NVIDIA and AIBs, Scalpers will snatch up with bots in the thousands.
Some even bypassing the sales interface entirely and directly issuing orders via the API on the servers of retailers, making it quite literally impossible for a human being to compete.

Gamers are priced out of the market currently and are no longer targeted as customers by manufactures or retailers.

B2T:
Nice to see that AMD keeps pushing ahead. Hopefully at some point we will have a market with competitive, affordable and available hardware from 3 manufactures.

I think crypto will eventually either crash or be regulated into non-existence. I just hope Intel sees this as the opportunity that it is. They have a big chance to gain market share and mind share from end users waiting for GPU prices to come down. Mind share & good will are invaluable long-term assets, and something they seem to have lost for whatever reason.

I bet they could capture 20% of the home market in 2022 by nerfing crypto mining on their cards and focusing on selling through retail channels.

RandallFlaggI bet they could capture 20% of the home market in 2022 by nerfing crypto mining on their cards and focusing on selling through retail channels.

Its not crypto-miners they want.

Its the graphics community, which includes movie-graphics, TV-show graphics, and other such GPGPU-programmers. GPGPU programmers want full flexibility into their systems. Heck, even video-game programmers are playing with compute-shaders these days.

You can't nerf crypto-miners, because crypto-miners are "just" a compute shader. And all GPUs want to be good at general purpose computer.