When an NVIDIA Engineering Sample GPU is installed, GPU-Z will block all network activity (feature request by NVIDIA).

Okay, I officially declare this software a virus..

Jokes aside, this sets a pretty bad precedent...

DenverOkay, I officially declare this software a virus..

Jokes aside, this sets a pretty bad precedent...

Where's the issue? It won't affect YOU in any way. All these cards are operated under NDA. Even on those, GPU-Z will continue working just fine, and show all information like before. You just can't upload anything to our servers, and NVIDIA IT security can remove their block for *.techpowerup.com. Yes, nobody at NVIDIA can open TPU, because they are worried of data leaks, so they just block the whole site for everyone.

W1zzardWhere's the issue? All these cards are operated under NDA. GPU-Z will continue working just fine, and show all information like before. You just can't upload anything to our servers, and NVIDIA IT security can remove their block for *.techpowerup.com. Yes, nobody at NVIDIA can open TPU, because they are worried of data leaks, so they just block the whole site for everyone.

The description implies that GPU-Z blocks the device/PC internet connection. Perhaps a better description would help to avoid misunderstandings...

DenverThe description implies that GPU-Z blocks the device/PC internet connection. Perhaps a better description would help to avoid misunderstandings...

Oh lol, and I thought I thought of everything when wording it .. added "its"

W1zzardOh lol, and I thought I thought of everything when wording it .. added "its"

Yeah, that's much more reasonable lol.

W1zzardOh lol, and I thought I thought of everything when wording it .. added "its"

Still that pretty much look like ingerence on your software/website by NV...

LupintheIIIStill that pretty much look like ingerence on your software/website by NV...

Like .. I'm helping them solve a problem that only they have, with a solution that doesn't affect anybody else on the planet?

W1zzardWhere's the issue? It won't affect YOU in any way. All these cards are operated under NDA. Even on those, GPU-Z will continue working just fine, and show all information like before. You just can't upload anything to our servers, and NVIDIA IT security can remove their block for *.techpowerup.com. Yes, nobody at NVIDIA can open TPU, because they are worried of data leaks, so they just block the whole site for everyone.

A large corporation exerting influence on software simply erodes trust. For example - so what else is under the hood that nvidia requested? People don't know, that's the point, that is why people are showing pushback. It's just a normal response from people losing trust.

Did nvidia request the DLSS scan? Really sounds like it... I really don't need GPUZ doing a scan of all my drives... like why, no one asked for this? Please at least include an option to opt out of this.

Can TPU even say NO to nvidia? Highly doubt it - kinda funny that this is the only solution nvidia IT could come up with.

W1zzardLike .. I'm helping them solve a problem that only they have, with a solution that doesn't affect anybody else on the planet?

A core change to how GPU-Z works so Nvidia emplyees can open TPU directly from NV servers... ok I guess?
Also other vendor doesn't have this problem?

In the end you are providing a free and usefull software, so every criticism must keep that in mind (mine included), nonetheless I know you are smarter than me, so I'm sure you get what I mean with my comment.
Hopefully I'm just wrong.
Keep up the good work.

cellar doorid nvidia request the DLSS scan? Really sounds like it... I really don't need GPUZ doing a scan of all my drives... like why, no one asked for this?

What?

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/nvidia-dlss-dll-version-future-feature-in-gpu-z.297172/

Wow, so many conspiracy theories here ..

cellar doorA large corporation exerting influence on software simply erodes trust.

I offered it to them, there was no pressure from their side

cellar doorDid nvidia request the DLSS scan?

No? Why would they support a feature that potentially breaks their product (when combined with DLSS DLL swapping)

cellar doorI really don't need GPUZ doing a scan of all my drives... like why, no one asked for this? Please at least include an option to opt out of this.

Just don't use it? It starts scanning only when you go to the feature, you can cancel it at any time, it only looks for filenames and does not read contents of other files, you can verify this with Process Monitor. Please do. While you're at it, take notes what other programs do to your files, registry and network without ever telling you about it.

cellar doorno one asked for this?

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/nvidia-dlss-dll-version-future-feature-in-gpu-z.297172/

LupintheIIIAlso other vendor doesn't have this problem?

Of course, they all do, and because there is no better solution, they just block all of TPU in their firewall (large western corporations), or their IT is too incompetent (most asian companies). Only the really good sysadmins use HTTPS MITM to decrypt SSL at their edge and then sign on the fly with an in-house cert

Sad from a leakers point of view, but realistically the better approach blocking the network activity. I doubt it'll make much difference for any leaks that we will get, I suppose we should see this soon with ANY card under NDA that really shouldn't be seen by the general public. Not defending the corporations, but I wouldn't want some handy software to casually leak out details about new products.

It's the actual release that counts anyways, not the billion leaks before it :D

W1zzardWow, so many conspiracy theories here ..


I offered it to them, there was no pressure from their side

No conspiracy theories here, this is how many people see it. No one wakes up one day and calls nvidia to inform them how to solve a specific issue like this - of course nvidia came to you guys asking for changes..

W1zzardNo? Why would they support a feature that potentially breaks their product (when combined with DLSS DLL swapping)

Data mining - why does a large corporation want info on DLSS user usage... pretty self explanatory.

W1zzardJust don't use it? It starts scanning only when you go to the feature, you can cancel it at any time, it only looks for filenames and does not read contents of other files, you can verify this with Process Monitor. Please do. While you're at it, take notes what other programs do to your files, registry and network without ever telling you about it.

Yep, I'm gonna skip this version - how am I or any user supposed to know that it starts scanning when I click on the new feature? IT security admin here, thanks I'm well aware of what to watch out for, and this is exactly what to watch out for.

There is long list of legitimately good software that quickly turned into doing exactly what the industry pays them to do.

Anyways, this is just my opinion.

W1zzardWow, so many conspiracy theories here ..


I offered it to them, there was no pressure from their side


No? Why would they support a feature that potentially breaks their product (when combined with DLSS DLL swapping)


Just don't use it? It starts scanning only when you go to the feature, you can cancel it at any time, it only looks for filenames and does not read contents of other files, you can verify this with Process Monitor. Please do. While you're at it, take notes what other programs do to your files, registry and network without ever telling you about it.


www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/nvidia-dlss-dll-version-future-feature-in-gpu-z.297172/


Of course, they all do, and because there is no better solution, they just block all of TPU in their firewall (large western corporations), or their IT is too incompetent (most asian companies). Only the really good sysadmins use HTTPS MITM to decrypt SSL at their edge and then sign on the fly with an in-house cert

This the reason for the grey beard?

I blame mine on teenagers and life.!

Not really surprised about the comments, such is the sentiment of just about anything nvidia related these days, don't you realise you should hate them and not do anything ever for users of their products, even when the feature is requested by the users?

Now a tool/feature scanning and reporting which games could have the FSR mod done to them, that might get more support! Perhaps a clever renaming of this feature..

wolfNow a tool/feature scanning and reporting which games could have the FSR mod done to them, that might get more support! Perhaps a clever renaming of this feature..

FSR works differently, there is no DLL to swap, it's much more complicated and has to be coded on a per-game basis afaik

W1zzardFSR works differently, there is no DLL to swap, it's much more complicated and has to be coded on a per-game basis afaik

I've not much looked into the mods, but I suppose where I was headed (in jest) was that identifying the DLSS games would make them known to users who may look to mod FSR into them. iirc part of that process was DLL replacement.

In any case, keep up the great work. GPU-Z as always, is a go-to tool for countless users, and it just got better.

wolfI've not much looked into the mods, but I suppose where I was headed (in jest) was that identifying the DLSS games would make them known to users who may look to mod FSR into them. iirc part of that process was DLL replacement.

Right .. you just double-click the entry in the list and it will open the folder and you can do anything you want in the game dir

W1zzardRight .. you just double-click the entry in the list and it will open the folder and you can do anything you want in the game dir

There is certainly the possibility for anyone who might want to mod, in any way they see fit, a DLSS enabled game, and this feature could help them.

Reworded to "When an NVIDIA Engineering Sample GPU is installed, GPU-Z will run completely offline and not make any network connections (feature request by NVIDIA)"

I do understand the new option and feature and I dont think that leatherman requested anything.

If I may suggest something, ask for permission to scan the drives or make a notification/Pop-up/disable option. I dont mind it, but many others really would appreciate it.

Btw, ist there a one time support option? I dont wanna use patreon nor do I want any badges.

First let me tell you that I appreciate your past work, was using CPUZ/GPUZ for years, also NV driver installer (which allows us to trim the shit from the driver package), the gpu database and ranking is nice feature. I come here for CPU/GPU reviews because I consider TPU trusted site and the reviews/graphs are well made. So thanks.

So this come as a big disappointment (mainly bc see above) , to see this bending over to [NV] corporation....

W1zzardLike .. I'm helping them solve a problem that only they have, with a solution that doesn't affect anybody else on the planet?

at starters, i didnt get that quoted line (not sure if sarcasm or not), they are only incompetent corp that has problems with leaks? What about AMD/Intel? Why they even have *need* to use GPUZ on their engineering samples? To get readings about clocks/shaders/etc ? Like NV dont have their in house tools for that? Why we (community) - you - would care that NV has issues/complications/troubles using the tool that (I assume) was supposed to get community way to "see/verify/check" their HW ?
Really, in layman words, why would I/we/anyone care?

Maybe next time, they will ask to make some numbers in GPUZ nicer for NV gpus? - just dont get me wrong, I believe your integrity at this point (which is confirmed that you mentioned this in changelog), but thats something that naturally comes to ppl minds after such move, especially in this messed up (corpo) world...

All these cards are operated under NDA. Even on those, GPU-Z will continue working just fine, and show all information like before

So maybe next thing they ask to disable also this? to curb down on leaks further.
Its not your NDA (except for your reviews), its not my NDA, not our problem...

What I dont understand next, ok if you wanted to help them out with domain change I guess fine - allow poor nv engineers to browse tpu while at work, i dont mind. BUT i dont understand why you went out of your leg and did also

"When an NVIDIA Engineering Sample GPU is installed, GPU-Z will run completely offline and not make any network connections (feature request by NVIDIA)"

so you assume their IT is that much incompetent that they wont be able to block gpu-z domain properly? What was motivation behind that? If domain change was show of goodwill for easier traffic blocking by IT why going further? You see, thats the biggest issue here that we have with this.
And what about Intel and AMD engineering samples? Do they get same treatment?


As I'm writing this, i got this idea - and tbh not sure if thats the best idea, bc it possibly could open lid on other problems - if they wanted custom gpuz edition, which they would be using internally for their needs, they could just pay you to modify and sell it to them (I guess they can afford). I guess this could be quite clean option, as whatever custom edits wouldnt make it into general version (as the changes would be most likely against our interests as community).
Heck, or even update the license to usual "freeware for personal use" and the problem is solved for you/us , and as bonus, whenever ES leak surface it will be indication of license breach :)


Once again, I'm thankful for your work, but this was very bad move imo.


Sorry one last question, what exactly does the endpoint functionality contain?

• GPU-Z will no longer send traffic to www.techpowerup.com and uses www.gpu-z.com exclusively, which makes it easier for IT administrators to block traffic originating from GPU-Z. All previous endpoints on techpowerup.com will be disabled soon, please update your firewall rules accordingly

I'm running old versions and update only once per year or two (bc whats the point right, as long as my CPU/GPU is recognized) so I assume all previous versions continue to work and i guess only benchresults uploads are affected?

LordkenWhat about AMD/Intel?

Same issues, I worked on a server-side solution with AMD in the past. Intel has something, too, also other vendors

LordkenWhy we (community) - you - would care that NV has issues/complications/troubles using the tool that (I assume) was supposed to get community way to "see/verify/check" their HW ?

GPU-Z is made for everyone, which includes engineers and all people at all companies

LordkenMaybe next time, they will ask to make some numbers in GPUZ nicer for NV gpus?

Lordkenthey ask to disable also this?

I won't do that of course, and it makes little sense to implement bad things if they get documented in the changelog.

Lordkennot our problem...

Not yours. If I can help someone with minimal effort, why be selfish and not do it? Oh wait, because NVIDIA is an evil corporation?

Lordkendomain change

The domain change was my own idea, because I realized how difficult it is for many sysadmins to deep-inspect HTTPS, most even think that HTTPS is a magical black box that they can't look into

Lordkenso you assume their IT is that much incompetent that they wont be able to block gpu-z domain properly?

Yeah because they no longer have to separate regular TPU browser traffic from GPU-Z traffic in their firewall and can just block the DNS hostname or IP address (SNI isn't used)

Lordkenthey could just pay you to modify and sell it to them

That was their first offer, I said don't bother I'll do it for free

Lordkenso I assume all previous versions continue to work

At a point in the near future, updates, vbios upload, validation upload will stop working, as if GPU-Z was run offline. All other functionality will continue to work of course

LordkenAnd what about Intel and AMD engineering samples? Do they get same treatment?

I have worked with them in the past on many things and will continue to do so in the future. Also pretty much all other big vendors of hardware and software

DragokarIf I may suggest something, ask for permission to scan the drives or make a notification/Pop-up/disable option. I dont mind it, but many others really would appreciate it.

Not sure I understand the issue, GPU-Z does "dir /s | findstr nvngx_dlss.dll".
and ONLY when you go to the DLSS tab, it clearly shows what it is doing by listing the filenames it sees, again, it sees ONLY the filename, not the contents

DragokarBtw, ist there a one time support option? I dont wanna use patreon nor do I want any badges.

There is not, give the money to a charitable organization please, ideally so it goes to people that aren't mentioned in the daily news coverage

W1zzardNot sure I understand the issue, GPU-Z does "dir /s | findstr nvngx_dlss.dll".
and ONLY when you go to the DLSS tab, it clearly shows what it is doing by listing the filenames it sees, again, it sees ONLY the filename, not the contents


There is not, give the money to a charitable organization please, ideally so it goes to people that aren't mentioned in the daily news coverage

Yeah, I know what it does, but some people are on a blame train and if you could do popup/hint or whatever it would be easy, or you go zero fs given which I don't mind ;)

Well I wanted to support you, my other free money goes to "Ärzte ohne Grenzen/MSF".

Dragokarbut some people are on a blame train

By running GPU-Z they already trust me .. it only works with admin privileges, which means if I wanted I could do anything on their system and given the long history of GPU-Z, no antivirus would ever flag it, unless the first wave of crypto wallets have been emptied .. maybe I should have thought of that before crypto became worthless ^^