Saturday, December 3rd 2022

RTX 4090 has Issues with Need for Speed Unbound that can Only be Fixed with a VBIOS Update

Need for Speed Unbound (NFS Unbound), the latest entry to the popular genre-defining race sim by EA that launched today, unearthed a problem with the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 "Ada" graphics card that cannot be fixed by simply updating the drivers or the game. This is a world-first—never before has a game required a VBIOS update to work around problems.

According to EA, the title exhibits a display flashing/blinking issue on machines powered by the RTX 4090, which requires a firmware update (i.e. video BIOS update). Luckily, this doesn't involve putting your RTX 4090 through a nerve-racking NVFlash manual BIOS update process (not that there's any risk with most RTX 4090 cards shipping with dual-BIOS). NVIDIA has released a fully-automated Firmware Update Tool that can be run from within Windows, which easily updates the video BIOS of the RTX 4090. We confirmed that it is in fact the video BIOS that is being updated (by comparing the VBIOS dumps before and after using the tool).
Update Dec 3rd: EA Support has just updated their support recommendation from graphics card VBIOS update to a motherboard BIOS update. "After testing, we've found a solution is to upgrade the motherboard BIOS. Please refer to your motherboard manufacturer's support page to obtain the latest system BIOS," the updated recommendation reads.

What's interesting is that the tool does not break the factory-overclock or custom power-limits set by NVIDIA's add-in card (AIC) partners for custom-design cards, which we confirmed by running the tool on a Palit RTX 4090 GameRock OC and the NVIDIA Founders Edition card. It seems the tool is designed to work universally on all RTX 4090 cards, not only specific boards. The tool is somehow able to update a specific area of the video BIOS without changing the BIOS version, its build date, or custom settings by AICs, and while the BIOS checksum is definitely changing, it is somehow not affecting its digital signature. This means NVIDIA seems to have a way of updating specific sections of the video BIOS conveniently from within Windows, without affecting its all-important digital signature that helps preventing the machine from running with tampered firmware.
Sources: NVIDIA Firmware Updater, Need for Speed Known Issues
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108 Comments on RTX 4090 has Issues with Need for Speed Unbound that can Only be Fixed with a VBIOS Update

#26
bonehead123
IMO, this is just ANUTHA reason to boycott these over-hyped, uber-expensive, rushed-to-market, beta-test bait cards (AND their melting cables !) :D
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#27
Andrea deluxe
No no no no.... is not the first time.
Back in 2004, i upgraded the vbios of my GTX 6800 Ultra for play Doom 3.
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#28
nguyen
Just started playing NFS Unbound for 20mins, it run smooth like butter, 0 shaders compilation shutter
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#29
Psychoholic
ShurikNSomeone would need to buy a 4080 for starters in order to test.
If i ever find a founders edition in stock, I'll test this and let everyone know :p
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#30
the54thvoid
Intoxicated Moderator
PsychoholicIf i ever find a founders edition in stock, I'll test this and let everyone know :p
No. You're clearly a seal and I don't trust your flippers. Send me the 4080FE when you find it. I'll test it for you.
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#31
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
AssimilatorFroggy, did you read the article?



It's not a mere BIOS flash, it's quite literally modifying the existing BIOS in-place. Unless the digital signature only applies to a portion of the BIOS (which doesn't appear to be the case from what we know), then this tool appears to be accomplishing the holy grail of BIOS modding that NVIDIA users have been searching for since Pascal.

Would NVIDIA be dumb enough to release something like this? Who knows, they've done stupid shit in the past, and maybe with the current negativity towards the RTX 4000 series (prices + 4090 melting adapter saga) they decided that pissing off AIBs and customers by requiring a BIOS update so early in the product cycle, would be more of a problem than dropping a quick-and-easy updater.

Let's see what the reverse engineers are able to glean from this.


A game that literally did not exist at the time that the RTX 4090 was released, and triggers a firmware bug in the 4090, means that the 4090 is beta quality.

Or to put it more simply, because NVIDIA lacks the possibility to travel forward in time to test games that don't yet exist against their new hardware, they make beta-quality products.

I just... wow. The logic is just astounding. In the worst way possible.
a game requring a firmware update for a gpu
is UNHEARD OF
It doesn't happen this is literally the reason we have drivers and apis

what isn't unheard of is binary/diff patching also the 4090 isn't bios its efi eXtensible, firmware Interface
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#32
sephiroth117
Tbh, this is an important vbios update that was released last month (at least on gainward GPUs). Since it's a bug on the UEFI + 4090 level, it had to be a vbios fix of course.

I recently purchased a 4090, after the melting issue was ironed out by Nvidia (Since they announced that it was user errors not seating the connector correctly, we aren't seeing new melting issues appear on Reddit or Facebook, hopefully it stays that way)

First thing I did, upgrade my motherboard bios because they all have issues with RTX 4000 otherwise
...and upgrade my gainward 4090 to the October 20th vbios to resolve black screen booting issues I had, it was really frustrating otherwise.

So if you have a 4090 with weird black screen on booting (like you don't see the motherboard screen with F2/DEL to boot in bios etc.), this update will help a lot. Fixed all my issues.
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#33
zlobby
That's the nvidia premuim that you get for the price. Plus all the other bonuses.
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#34
Vayra86
zlobbyThat's the nvidia premuim that you get for the price. Plus all the other bonuses.
Well I mean, free software updates, free tool, yeah, I definitely feel enthusiasm now to buy a 4090 after all! The green love is stronk!

I mean, they even still deliver driver updates ON TOP of all this! And they even have time to rename almost half their product stack alongside all of that... I totally understand they charge >1K tbh.
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#35
mechtech
I’m almost surprised modern gpus don’t get the same amount of bios updates as motherboards.
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#36
Solaris17
Super Dainty Moderator
R-T-BIf it is indeed invalidating the signature and then resigning the binary somehow, it is very interesting indeed.
I think its not that complicated. Nvidia has the master keys, all BIOS development is done online by AIBs and the versions are signed by mothership before download by said AIBs. It stands to reason since nvidia holds the root keys they can come in and do w/e they want.
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#37
zlobby
Vayra86Well I mean, free software updates, free tool, yeah, I definitely feel enthusiasm now to buy a 4090 after all! The green love is stronk!

I mean, they even still deliver driver updates ON TOP of all this! And they even have time to rename almost half their product stack alongside all of that... I totally understand they charge >1K tbh.
Mhm. And I guess you read in advance how to properly push in your brand new proprietary power connector, so that you don't get arson charges? Because users obviously can push a simple connector wrongly.

I mean, that's stellar engineering in my book. But then again, what do I know?
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#38
Vayra86
zlobbyMhm. And I guess you read in advance how to properly push in your brand new proprietary power connector, so that you don't get arson charges? Because users obviously can push a simple connector wrongly.

I mean, that's stellar engineering in my book. But then again, what do I know?
No, you see I'm going to buy a new PSU with my new GPU now, that's how hyped I am!

surely the /s has to land sometime :)
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#39
zlobby
Vayra86No, you see I'm going to buy a new PSU with my new GPU now, that's how hyped I am!

surely the /s has to land sometime :)
I always assume the /s is implied but I'm never 100% sure.
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#41
chrcoluk
Its either the BIOS is modular so just updating one module, or just patching the bios.
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#42
ZoneDymo
nguyenJust started playing NFS Unbound for 20mins, it run smooth like butter, 0 shaders compilation shutter
stutter and yeah, its Frostbite, Unreal is the one with the shader compilation problems.
also did you buy this generic racing game just to test if big N screwed up?
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#43
evernessince
Can anyone explain why this requires a VBIOS update to fix an issue in a specific game but only for the 4090 (maybe 4080 as well?)?
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#44
Assimilator
OneMoara game requring a firmware update for a gpu
is UNHEARD OF
It doesn't happen this is literally the reason we have drivers and apis

what isn't unheard of is binary/diff patching also the 4090 isn't bios its efi eXtensible, firmware Interface
I know the difference between BIOS and UEFI, thanks. I also know that your pedantry isn't contributing to this thread.
zlobbyMhm. And I guess you read in advance how to properly push in your brand new proprietary power connector, so that you don't get arson charges? Because users obviously can push a simple connector wrongly.

I mean, that's stellar engineering in my book. But then again, what do I know?
Such stellar engineering that apparently only 50 of the over 130,000 of RTX 4090 owners were stupid enough to fail to plug it in correctly, which I'd wager is lower than the average RMA rate of any other GPU.

Of course, that reality doesn't stop equally stupid forumgoers from constantly bringing this topic up in a pathetic attempt to blame NVIDIA for end user failures. Said forumgoers also choose to ignore that "evil" NVIDIA could easily have left those idiot users to deal with the consequences of their inability to perform basic PC assembly, but didn't.
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#45
zlobby
AssimilatorI know the difference between BIOS and UEFI, thanks. I also know that your pedantry isn't contributing to this thread.


Such stellar engineering that apparently only 50 of the over 130,000 of RTX 4090 owners were stupid enough to fail to plug it in correctly, which I'd wager is lower than the average RMA rate of any other GPU.

Of course, that reality doesn't stop equally stupid forumgoers from constantly bringing this topic up in a pathetic attempt to blame NVIDIA for end user failures. Said forumgoers also choose to ignore that "evil" NVIDIA could easily have left those idiot users to deal with the consequences of their inability to perform basic PC assembly, but didn't.
'50 out of 130,000'? That's quite the selection bias, or rather unconfirmed numbers.

Also, I wonder why no 3090/3080/6900/etc. users ever had had such issues? Did the guys who had problems with 4090 were installing a GPU for the first time in their lives? If so, why weren't there instructions on proper connector mating procedures?
Or maybe their older GPU didn't have such issues to begin with?
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#46
RogueSix
This news might need an update. If you follow the link in the news what it's saying now is...
Flashing/Blinking Display - High End PCs

We've seen reports of Flashing/Blinking Display issues with folks on high-end PCs (Nvidia RTX 40-series). After testing, we've found a solution is to upgrade the motherboard BIOS. Please refer to your motherboard manufacturer’s support page to obtain the latest system BIOS.

If you continue to experience this issue - please report this via the Bug Reports section with details about your system (CPU, make/model of your graphics card, driver dates, video card bios/firmware.

Previously, the fix was incorrectly listed as a graphics card VBIOS update.
^ Note the bold part highlighted by me and the final line where EA Support admits to a mistake.
I think we can tune down the nVidia hate a little bit as well as dial down on the omgtehscandalous "unheard of" part ;) .
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#47
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
surprise surprise EA being absolutely worthless
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#48
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
KyanCalling NFS a race sim game is an insult to other race sim games. Not really the topic of the article but, yeah.
Ffs gran tourismo never handled realistically, stiff as hell steering, that is not how true vehicles behave.

Gt is not a sim but a sham
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#49
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
I refuse to touch NFS so long as its built on frostbite by criterion
they have turned every single installment into a burnout clone because they are about as original as stink on shit
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#50
Tsukiyomi91
Damn... imagine paying so much and still getting this kind of issue. That sucks.
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