Looks like an apple over engineered part.

Just like with cars and other stuff, it delivers the message of approximate dimensions of John Thomas in the owner...

Jokes aside, it went outta control 350 W ago. And they just can't stop making efforts to produce even hotter stuff.

After a point you start to question why not just do liquid cool. Its reliable enough by now and honestly has better compatibility than this monstrosity while performing better (?).
Also reduced cost to manufacture (pretty sure this is true) and targets the same group of people that are going to buy this, rich fanbois.

GreiverBladenono, they will launch it @2500$ and then unlaunch it ...

and probably re launch it for 4090$


P.S.: for once the cheapest 4090 at my etailer (and in stock) is 1589.90chf/$ ... oddly close to MSRP ... very strange ...

They initially wanted to call this the 'RTX Over 9999'
But then realized that was one slot too high up the stack

forman313We need Mythbusters. I want to know what happens if you drop this from the top of the Empire state building.

'Will it drop like a brick'

Confirmed

My ZOTAC AMP Extreme Airo 4090 is plenty fast as is , only two games I have that need DLSS3 , more of a bragging right .

Why is Nvidia so intent on making their own crappy coolers. Typically, founders edition cards never perform better than AIB cards. In the past, the only reason to get a turbine type cooling system is to eject heat out of the case for SLI configurations.

For the life of me I dont know why Nvidia will not let the AIB partners design the cooler. Obviously they know what they are doing better than Nvidia, the proof is in the putting.

Beginner Micro DeviceJust like with cars and other stuff, it delivers the message of approximate dimensions of John Thomas in the owner...

Jokes aside, it went outta control 350 W ago. And they just can't stop making efforts to produce even hotter stuff.

No one is forcing you to buy this stuff you know. If you want to keep yourself around the 150w TDP of late 2000s GPUs, you can. Nobody is stopping you. Cards like the 3060 exist, and they are also way cheaper while still offering great performance for what they are.

The industry has ALWAYS pushed for bigger chips. The GPUs of the past were not limited to 350/200/75w because they didnt want bigger stuff, it was because the process nodes of the time couldnt handle such large chips with tens of billions of transistors running at multiple GHz.

When the GTX 480 came to, you had people lamenting on how the GPU was too hot and 300 watt was just too much power for a GPU and how the industry was going too far, etc etc. Now we have people lamenting on why we didnt limit ourselves to that same 300w barrier.

geniekidI've noticed that one or two hours of gaming noticeably raises the temperature in the room I'm gaming in. And that's with a 1080 Ti (250W TDP). I can only imagine what a 4090 (450W TDP) would do to that room. For better or for worse, I can legitimately see a 4090-equipped PC replacing the small space heater I use to warm my feet during Chicago winters.

That's what I use mine for, its way worse when you have an old case with side fans. Plus side, in winter I can keep my house cold and a few hours of gaming is sufficient to raise the room temp 8-10f.

It only really becomes an issue in the summer when its 90f outside, but then I'm usually doing things outside anyway, so meh.

FeelinFroggyWhy is Nvidia so intent on making their own crappy coolers. Typically, founders edition cards never perform better than AIB cards. In the past, the only reason to get a turbine type cooling system is to eject heat out of the case for SLI configurations.

For the life of me I dont know why Nvidia will not let the AIB partners design the cooler. Obviously they know what they are doing better than Nvidia, the proof is in the putting.

Nvidia's coolers for ampere and ada seems to work very well, they're quite, keep temps decent, ece. Sure, you can do better, but they're a LONG shot from the fermi coolers of 2009.

TheinsanegamerNNo one is forcing you to buy this stuff you know. If you want to keep yourself around the 150w TDP of late 2000s GPUs, you can. Nobody is stopping you. Cards like the 3060 exist, and they are also way cheaper while still offering great performance for what they are.

The industry has ALWAYS pushed for bigger chips. The GPUs of the past were not limited to 350/200/75w because they didnt want bigger stuff, it was because the process nodes of the time couldnt handle such large chips with tens of billions of transistors running at multiple GHz.

When the GTX 480 came to, you had people lamenting on how the GPU was too hot and 300 watt was just too much power for a GPU and how the industry was going too far, etc etc. Now we have people lamenting on why we didnt limit ourselves to that same 300w barrier.

most gpu's are a shitshow this days, you don't even have much OC headroom, they are really pushed to the max, and not in a good way, they almost all benefit from undervolting and you get the same performance for a lot less wasted electricity and heat. And i'm not talking about small changes, in some cases it's insane the difference.
And that ties with the very real overengineered coolers, with wasted materials and money.

This is not all a product of healthy evolution of the gpu's in my opinion, more a trend to make this products seem more premium and justify the hike in prices in the gpu die from Nvidia. Won't even go intto talking about the pricing curve vs the performance curve, or the massive downgrade in performance per dollar.

Damn, it will be a beast for sure, but my 4090 will do until the RTX 5000 series next year. They should have released it at launch. It feels pointless to buy something so expensive and only get a year of the top-of-the-line card experience for the price.

HazizaDamn, it will be a beast for sure, but my 4090 will do until the RTX 5000 se :D es next year. They should have released it at launch. It feels pointless to buy something so expensive and only get a year of the top-of-the-line card experience for the price.

the way things are going the next 5090 will barely match this 4090ti, with less vram bandwith or some shit like that

Good thing about this design is is that the airflow isn't obstructed by the PCB, it's just like a CPU tower cooler. This should become a standard.

TheDeeGeeGood thing about this design is is that the airflow isn't obstructed by the PCB, it's just like a CPU tower cooler. This should become a standard.

isn't this fairly common with these days with GPU coolers?

progsteisn't this fairly common with these days with GPU coolers?

no. As far as i understood it, the pcb is no longer flat with the card, it's on it's side. So all the air can flow through the brick without having the pcb in the way

Bomby569most gpu's are a shitshow this days, you don't even have much OC headroom,

Which sucks if you like to OC, sure. But for the majority that do not, this means that they get all the performance their GPU is capable of instead of the 85% that was a safe yield leaving performance on the table.

Bomby569they are really pushed to the max, and not in a good way, they almost all benefit from undervolting and you get the same performance for a lot less wasted electricity and heat. And i'm not talking about small changes, in some cases it's insane the difference.

I remember llano had the same issue in 2011, which allowed for tons of tuning. I remember undervolting and OCing my ivy bridge i5 at the same time, it was great.

I agree that GPu tuning has gotten out of hand, but by the same token, if you could easily raise the GPU clock and OC another 15% out of your card, then you can just as easily lower the voltage and UV your GPU too.

Bomby569And that ties with the very real overengineered coolers, with wasted materials and money.

Getting better coolers that don't sound like jet engines is somehow a Bad Thing (tm). I love my 6800xt cooler, it maintains under 40dba under full load when pulling near 300 watts. Compared to the "good" coolers from the mid 2010s I'll take these overbuilt monsters any day.

FeelinFroggyWhy is Nvidia so intent on making their own crappy coolers. Typically, founders edition cards never perform better than AIB cards. In the past, the only reason to get a turbine type cooling system is to eject heat out of the case for SLI configurations.

For the life of me I dont know why Nvidia will not let the AIB partners design the cooler. Obviously they know what they are doing better than Nvidia, the proof is in the putting.

Since Ampere, the FE haven't been "crappy". They are well build (very high manufacturing quality, actually), perform well for their size, and are also among the most compact. And sold at the MSRP. You will have a hard time finding a 4090 from an AiB that isn't oversized, priced at a premium without being loud, or cheaply made. They also look good, and don't have that over the top gaming aesthetic.

Ampere and Ada coolers are fine. A bit huge but they are quiet and keep the gpus cool.
I still remember the 2080Ti dual fan screaming like nightmare.
I prefer 3+ slots coolers than the atrocious ones of the past.

BorisDGAs user coming from 1080Ti to 4090, I don't saw noticeable change and how I feel about the temperature. Also my PC is on the ground next to me. The heat which comes from there feels the same. :ohwell:

p.p. Yeah my room is with air-conditioning, but in my country it's a must anyway.

there is no way that these cards produce the same amount of heat (1080ti + 4090)

do you fully use your GPU? I use it %100 load most of the time. My 3090 even at %100 wasnt producing as much heat and were silent as well
I had to change my case, took PCs radiator from front to top, put extra fans but nothing helped. it is just big, and even at 70 it can produce heat more than a smaller card that runs at 90-100 degree

Couldn't help myself :roll: :roll:

dyonoctisSince Ampere, the FE haven't been "crappy". They are well build (very high manufacturing quality, actually), perform well for their size, and are also among the most compact. And sold at the MSRP. You will have a hard time finding a 4090 from an AiB that isn't oversized, priced at a premium without being loud, or cheaply made. They also look good, and don't have that over the top gaming aesthetic.

Funny, I remember when the FE coolers came out, and they were PRAISED for being of higher quality then any 3rd party blower, with some asking if the FE coolers were going to make 3rd party AIB designs obsolete.

Now I guess they are "crappy".

Nvidia wants more money and needs to correct 4090 pricing "too competitively". Watch this launch at $2500 dollars and all 4090 FE disappear.

TheinsanegamerNFunny, I remember when the FE coolers came out, and they were PRAISED for being of higher quality then any 3rd party blower, with some asking if the FE coolers were going to make 3rd party AIB designs obsolete.

Now I guess they are "crappy".

I frickin' loved my FE GTX 780, it was built like a brick (expletive deleted) house. Very quiet too despite being a blower.

Wish we got to the point that AMD can put dedicated GPU chiplets inside a Ryzen cpu package, something that would make everything south of a 3070 obsolete.

TheinsanegamerNNo one is forcing you to buy this stuff you know.

Those who are okay are. There would be no 999 Watt monsters whatsoever if no one bought them.

TheinsanegamerNCards like the 3060 exist

Yet being outpushed. You can manage to push extra 3 percent speed outta them, yet their appetites are record breaking at these settings.

I understand them, they want their GPUs to be competitive but x2 wattage a decade is a complete clown fiesta. Especially considering how much these cards consume in low loads like media playback hitting dozens watts.

Time will pass, and video cards of <200 W TDP will cease to exist. This is what "oh come on, it's fine" attitude is doing with the industry.

FeelinFroggyWhy is Nvidia so intent on making their own crappy coolers. Typically, founders edition cards never perform better than AIB cards. In the past, the only reason to get a turbine type cooling system is to eject heat out of the case for SLI configurations.

For the life of me I dont know why Nvidia will not let the AIB partners design the cooler. Obviously they know what they are doing better than Nvidia, the proof is in the putting.

You have no idea what it takes to properly engineer something... How would you cool something thats generating up to 600W of power? Adding watercooling is not just extra cost but also extra risk, due to pump or gasket faillure for example.

ymdhisWish we got to the point that AMD can put dedicated GPU chiplets inside a Ryzen cpu package, something that would make everything south of a 3070 obsolete.

There is not enough memory bandwidth to accomplish this. The Radeon 680M and 780M iGPUs are already slower than a dedicated RX 6400 while having the same number (768) of higher clocked cores because they have less memory bandwidth than the RX 6400.

Tossing more cores at an iGPU will only be a bigger and bigger waste of silicon until shared system memory bandwidth significantly improves.