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Mussels · Jun 4, 2023

Bomby569 said:
i don't download from weird places. but praticaly all my windows were torrent versions, including with the updates pre applied, the LTSC versions, versions with stupid stuff removed. They are miles better then the MS experience. Never had an issue

You'd never know. Rootkit malware can't be detected if its part of the OS, and the smart ones don't do dumb shit like bluntly tell the user.

The worst case is that they've compromised security and you could be hit from something in the future that the regular OS's are protected against, worst case is they all get simultaneously hit. Customised versions of windows did this in the ukraine/russian fighting recently with customised ISO's in those languages having preloaded malware, pretending to be updated versions of previously existing releases

Bomby569 · Jun 4, 2023

Mussels said:
You'd never know. Rootkit malware can't be detected if its part of the OS, and the smart ones don't do dumb shit like bluntly tell the user.

The worst case is that they've compromised security and you could be hit from something in the future that the regular OS's are protected against, worst case is they all get simultaneously hit. Customised versions of windows did this in the ukraine/russian fighting recently with customised ISO's in those languages having preloaded malware, pretending to be updated versions of previously existing releases

were i get my piracy there is no virus or malware, it's more safe then the msi servers or using gigabyte mobos. Standards are way higher

lexluthermiester · Jun 4, 2023

Mussels said:
You'd never know. Rootkit malware can't be detected if its part of the OS, and the smart ones don't do dumb shit like bluntly tell the user.

Um, this is not correct. Rootkit's are easily detected these days and are specifically scanned for by most AV, including Windows Defender.

The reality is, installing malware into an OS is a very serious challenge and not easily pulled off. Most of your typical ISO makers have no interest in making that effort and just want to make a name for themselves creating an excellent Windows ISO.

Mussels · Jun 8, 2023

lexluthermiester said:
Um, this is not correct. Rootkit's are easily detected these days and are specifically scanned for by most AV, including Windows Defender.

Um, this is like, um, uh, before the OS has uh, any chance to uh, get updates or antiviruses because it happens on first boot of a CLEAN INSTALL.

lexluthermiester · Jun 8, 2023

Mussels said:
Um, this is like, um, uh, before the OS has uh, any chance to uh, get updates or antiviruses because it happens on first boot of a CLEAN INSTALL.

Rootkit's have to reside somewhere and most AV suites can scan the BIOS/UEFI firmware. This has been a thing since the 90's. However, most rootkits have a master-boot-record component. So yeah, either way, EASILY scanned for. Perhaps you didn't know this fact?

ARF · Aug 15, 2023

Does anyone know when the 23H2 update will be released to Windows 10?

Shou Miko · Aug 16, 2023

ARF said:
Does anyone know when the 23H2 update will be released to Windows 10?

Sorry to dunk on your dreams but Microsoft announced that 22H2 would be the last update for Windows 10 so for the feature updates you have to go Windows 11.

Link: https://www.windowscentral.com/soft...d-microsoft-confirms-version-22h2-is-the-last
MS Source: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com...client-roadmap-update-april-2023/ba-p/3805227

As documented on the Windows 10 Enterprise and Education and Windows 10 Home and Pro lifecycle pages, Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025. The current version, 22H2, will be the final version of Windows 10, and all editions will remain in support with monthly security update releases through that date. Existing LTSC releases will continue to receive updates beyond that date based on their specific lifecycles.

ARF · Aug 16, 2023

Shou Miko said:
Sorry to dunk on your dreams but Microsoft announced that 22H2 would be the last update for Windows 10 so for the feature updates you have to go Windows 11.

Link: https://www.windowscentral.com/soft...d-microsoft-confirms-version-22h2-is-the-last
MS Source: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com...client-roadmap-update-april-2023/ba-p/3805227

As documented on the Windows 10 Enterprise and Education and Windows 10 Home and Pro lifecycle pages, Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025. The current version, 22H2, will be the final version of Windows 10, and all editions will remain in support with monthly security update releases through that date. Existing LTSC releases will continue to receive updates beyond that date based on their specific lifecycles.

I hope they do extend the support beyond that date. Windows 10 has no alternative right now, Windows 11 is very poorly done, I tried it but am not inclined / convinced that it is worth it. It is actually bad crap.

Microsoft is known for previously misleading the users as well.

Windows 10 is the Last Version of Windows

Since its launch in 1985, Microsoft has released nine major versions of Windows, spanning from Windows all the way through to Windows 10...

www.getpeerless.com

Microsoft says Windows 10 is ‘the last version of Windows’

Windows 10 might be the last version of Microsoft’s operating system we’ll ever see.

www.trustedreviews.com

“Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10,” said Microsoft dev Jerry Nixon, speaking at the Ignite conference.
So what comes next? Nothing, just more Windows 10. Microsoft is hoping Windows 10 will progressively improve instead of needing to be replaced.
The future is ‘Windows as a service’, according to Microsoft, which means Windows 11 might never even exist.

Shou Miko · Aug 16, 2023

ARF said:
I hope they do extend the support beyond that date. Windows 10 has no alternative right now, Windows 11 is very poorly done, I tried it but am not inclined / convinced that it is worth it. It is actually bad crap.

Microsoft is known for previously misleading the users as well.

Windows 10 is the Last Version of Windows

Since its launch in 1985, Microsoft has released nine major versions of Windows, spanning from Windows all the way through to Windows 10...

www.getpeerless.com

Microsoft says Windows 10 is ‘the last version of Windows’

Windows 10 might be the last version of Microsoft’s operating system we’ll ever see.

www.trustedreviews.com

As I know from Microsoft support they are not planning on extended support at this time but you never know because we should see in autumn LTSC version of Windows 11 so I wouldn't get my hopes up sorry.

If you are lucky you might be able to skip Windows 11 and go straight to Windows 12 if it gets out before Oct 14, 2025, but honest do you need more features in Windows 10? Personally I am running Windows 11 on my gaming rig and T480 and no issues at all.

I really hope Microsoft will ease up the cpu requirements for Windows 12 because just a 8th gen Intel cpu for 11 come on even 6th gen and older can have TPM2.0 it's just lame more scrap, I know because I am in support myself running a i5-4570T paired with 2x8GB of memor and a Intenso 500GB SATA SSD in a Lenovo Tiny machine and it does the job fine.

Mussels · Aug 20, 2023

Shou Miko said:
I really hope Microsoft will ease up the cpu requirements for Windows 12

Theres no way they'll go back to lower requirements, especially when they're easily disabled in 11 as it is.

Never forget that microsoft themselves are the original ones who showed how to bypass the CPU, TPM and secureboot requirements - they're high for official systems letting people remove them entirely on DIY machines.

gurusmi · Aug 20, 2023

When using rufus to burn the iso to a stick one can reduce the requirements. No fTPM, offline Account,...

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Mussels · Aug 20, 2023

gurusmi said:
When using rufus to burn the iso to a stick one can reduce the requirements. No fTPM, offline Account,...

Rufus - The Official Website (Download, New Releases)

Rufus is a small application that creates bootable USB drives, which can then be used to install or run Microsoft Windows, Linux or DOS. In just a few minutes, and with very few clicks, Rufus can help you run a new Operating System on your computer...

rufus.ie

Rufus is well known and loved in this thread

gurusmi · Aug 20, 2023

I use rufus also for Linux.

Shou Miko · Aug 20, 2023

Mussels said:
Theres no way they'll go back to lower requirements, especially when they're easily disabled in 11 as it is.

Never forget that microsoft themselves are the original ones who showed how to bypass the CPU, TPM and secureboot requirements - they're high for official systems letting people remove them entirely on DIY machines.

I know but it's still a lame CPU requirement because honestly even Intel 6th gen cpu laptops had TPM2.0 and others but they had to force 8gen not like it would make a huge difference just running Windows.

gurusmi · Aug 20, 2023

Shou Miko said:
I know but it's still a lame CPU requirement because honestly even Intel 6th gen cpu laptops had TPM2.0 and others but they had to force 8gen not like it would make a huge difference just running Windows.

My Gigabyte Aorus Master X570 V1 failed at the test because of TPU.

It was bought in 2019. I'm using a AMD Ryzen 3800X with it. It is labelled as Win11 compatible. But the campatibility check failed. I upgraded to a BIOS version that is advertized as "All settings for Win11 will be applied". But the compatibility chack failed again. I used rufus to switch off the need for TPM. Win11 is running. It's not a question when the hardware is released.

Mussels · Aug 21, 2023

Shou Miko said:
I know but it's still a lame CPU requirement because honestly even Intel 6th gen cpu laptops had TPM2.0 and others but they had to force 8gen not like it would make a huge difference just running Windows.

It's a requirement for the encryption they wanted.
Why they wanted it has a bunch of theories and no evidence i can find yet, but either their business/enterprise clients wanted it, or governments were pushing it like the EU does on some topics.

Do I as an individual care, or want the encryption? no.
Does the technical reason make sense, especially as how it applies to OEM's and prebuilt machines? Yes.

Did MS make it really easy for us home users to disable the requirement? yes.
They didn't just code in those registry settings and think we all outsmarted them when they were discovered, they posted this as official instructions and made everyone aware in the first place.

Wayback machine shows the article was posted october 4, 2021 - the day BEFORE windows 11 launched.

lexluthermiester · Aug 21, 2023

Mussels said:
Wayback machine shows the article was posted october 4, 2021 - the day BEFORE windows 11 launched.

But well AFTER the workarounds had already been discovered during the Preview/Beta releases. Just throwing it out there.

ARF · Oct 5, 2023

Windows 10 is still the better OS, as proven by the market acceptance.

Windows 11 is such a pitiful attempt. Today a breaking news - a new W11 update breaks the AMD Adrenalin Software settings...

Windows 11 update may reset AMD Adrenalin GPU driver settings - VideoCardz.com

Microsoft Copilot breaks AMD drivers settings The Adrenalin settings will reset with each system reboot. Microsoft has just released a cumulative preview update listed as KB5030310. This update enabled the new functionality of copilot, a new AI-driven assistant that can perform Windows tasks...

videocardz.com

lexluthermiester · Oct 5, 2023

ARF said:
Windows 10 is still the better OS, as proven by the market acceptance.

View attachment 316308

Windows 11 is such a pitiful attempt. Today a breaking news - a new W11 update breaks the AMD Adrenalin Software settings...

Windows 11 update may reset AMD Adrenalin GPU driver settings - VideoCardz.com

Microsoft Copilot breaks AMD drivers settings The Adrenalin settings will reset with each system reboot. Microsoft has just released a cumulative preview update listed as KB5030310. This update enabled the new functionality of copilot, a new AI-driven assistant that can perform Windows tasks...

videocardz.com

Are you kidding with that crap?

ARF said:
Windows 11 is such a pitiful attempt.

No, what's pitiful is that comment.
Say it brother...

..that's right!

Mussels · Oct 6, 2023

ARF said:
Windows 10 is still the better OS, as proven by the market acceptance.

View attachment 316308

Windows 11 is such a pitiful attempt. Today a breaking news - a new W11 update breaks the AMD Adrenalin Software settings...

Windows 11 update may reset AMD Adrenalin GPU driver settings - VideoCardz.com

Microsoft Copilot breaks AMD drivers settings The Adrenalin settings will reset with each system reboot. Microsoft has just released a cumulative preview update listed as KB5030310. This update enabled the new functionality of copilot, a new AI-driven assistant that can perform Windows tasks...

videocardz.com

"Personal opinion goes here, not backed up by facts"

Keep the trolling out of this thread, it's not welcome in this one.

ARF · Oct 6, 2023

Mussels said:
"Personal opinion goes here, not backed up by facts"

If the market share of almost 72% is not a proof, I don't know what is...
And the widely accepted opinion of users - Windows 10 is the better OS.
Because W11 is full of bugs, and lacks features. They can't even include a classic clock with seconds - everything is cut in that pitiful OS.

lexluthermiester · Oct 7, 2023

ARF said:
If the market share of almost 72% is not a proof, I don't know what is...

Adoption of a thing does NOT denote the quality of that thing. YOUR failure to understand that concept is does not make for factual conclusion.

LabRat 891 · Oct 9, 2023

ARF said:
Windows 10 is still the better OS, as proven by the market acceptance.

View attachment 316308

Windows 11 is such a pitiful attempt. Today a breaking news - a new W11 update breaks the AMD Adrenalin Software settings...

Windows 11 update may reset AMD Adrenalin GPU driver settings - VideoCardz.com

Microsoft Copilot breaks AMD drivers settings The Adrenalin settings will reset with each system reboot. Microsoft has just released a cumulative preview update listed as KB5030310. This update enabled the new functionality of copilot, a new AI-driven assistant that can perform Windows tasks...

videocardz.com

Look,
I agree that Win10 is currently the superior single-user 100% local PC OS. However, the 'hate' is a bit misdirected.

From what I've gathered in-passing, Win10 would be broken just as much by MSFT's devteam; *if* they were still focused on trying to add features and actively updating the OS.
(Rather than senescent support)
I've ran across windevs on X and THG both that have mentioned bugreports and feedback being more/less ignored. Still, anecdotal but, seemingly plausible/reasonable.

It's all-too-easy to forget that Win10 had the same kind of System-breaking updates.
If I took a few minutes to search, I can probably find at least 2 instances where it cost major companies downtime

ARF said:
If the market share of almost 72% is not a proof, I don't know what is...
And the widely accepted opinion of users - Windows 10 is the better OS.
Because W11 is full of bugs, and lacks features. They can't even include a classic clock with seconds - everything is cut in that pitiful OS.

View attachment 316390

I can 'see' your reasoning but,
'confirmation through consensus' has been proven time and time-again to be an extremely poor metric of quality/truth; across all fields.
IIRC, it isn't even acceptable in Crypto networks, any longer, and People are far more fallible.

I do view Win 11 as "in open (paid) beta" however, that's become a norm in every industry sans truly mission critical (even there, there've been exceptions. The 737 MAX, comes immediately to mind)

If you want to remain a Windows 10 User for the foreseeable future, go for it; I'm right there w/ you. Next clean (re)install will be trying out Win10 Ent. IoT LTSC; I've had excellent luck with Windows Embedded predecessors.

Just, cool your jets on the reddit/kiddie-tier rage. :laugh:

It's why you're being perceived as a Troll, when some of us might otherwise agree/commiserate.

lexluthermiester · Oct 10, 2023

LabRat 891 said:
Next clean (re)install will be trying out Win10 Ent. IoT LTSC

You'll let us know how that goes, yes? I'm quite intrigued. I currently use LTSC on a system that needs it. Would be interested to see if an IOT version can hold up. I otherwise couldn't care less about Windows 10.

LabRat 891 · Oct 10, 2023

lexluthermiester said:
You'll let us know how that goes, yes? I'm quite intrigued. I currently use LTSC on a system that needs it. Would be interested to see if an IOT version can hold up. I otherwise couldn't care less about Windows 10.

Will do.
Sometime soon, I'm planning to do an (unpaid) review-lite of AMD AFMF on 'low-end RX6k'
with/for a long-time friend.

My intention is to clean-install W10E-IoT-LTSC to a DRAM'd Gen4 TLC SSD (SB-ROCKET-NVMe4-1TB),
and 'leave' my current Install on my P41+ in the build, for later migration.
I'm not sure how that'll go w/ UEFI and secureboot but, I think I can just temp. disable my primary drive. (Or, pull it.)

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