MSI Spatium M580 Frozr 4 TB

[Frozoken]

Still waiting for a a drive to crack the 100MB/s on 4KQD1 reads

We have and you can get it for ~$60. Also the 990 pro does like 115MB/s if u must exclude optane

 

[[XC] Oj101]

WD Black SN850 1 TB SSD Review - The Fastest SSD

The WD Black SN850 is the fastest SSD we ever tested thanks to support for the fast PCI-Express 4.0 interface. In our extensive real-life testing it beats the Samsung 980 Pro, the Phison E18-based Corsair MP600 Pro, and even the MLC-based Samsung 970 Pro.

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No, the WD Black HARD DRIVE results which are supposed to be in the review.

• Our real-life testing data includes performance numbers for a typical high-performance HDD, using results from a Western Digital WD Black 1 TB 7200 RPM 3.5" SATA. HDDs are significantly slower than SSDs, which is why we're not putting the result in the chart, as that would break the scaling, making the SSDs indistinguishable in comparison. Instead, we've added the HDD performance numbers in the title of each test entry.

@W1zzard? These numbers are very useful when pushing sales ("I'm on a tight budget, I doubt I'll see an improvement with an SSD").

 

[b1k3rdude]

We have and you can get it for ~$60. Also the 990 pro does like 115MB/s if u must exclude optane

So your refering to the review - https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...ots-of-cdm-benching-and-some-thoughts.319220/

But the 4kqd1 reads are the ONLY good thing about that drive, everything else including the capacity is pants.

 

[Frozoken]

So your revering to the review - https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...ots-of-cdm-benching-and-some-thoughts.319220/

But the 4kqd1 reads are the ONLY good thing about that drive, everything else including the capacity is pants.

No I have the SSD and am getting ~470MB/s qd1 reads and 360MB/s writes

No all realistic random read queue depths are good (qd 1-8) and low block size files which are overwhelmingly used and where even sequentially the p1600x outperforms gen 5 ssds in reads. Or in practice this is why my p1600x has loaded faster than my wd sn850x (top gen 4 ssd) in every single application/game I've measured without fail lmao.

It costs so much for the capacity for a reason, its a super ssd basically. Ur focus on literally irrelevant to real world use, sequential speeds at 1MB block sizes is just like thinking the s23 ultra has a better camera than a $5K DSLR because it has more MP lmao

 

[b1k3rdude]

No I have the SSD and am getting ~470MB/s qd1 reads and 360MB/s writes

No all realistic random read queue depths are good (qd 1-8) and low block size files which are overwhelmingly used and where even sequentially the p1600x outperforms gen 5 ssds in reads. Or in practice this is why my p1600x has loaded faster than my wd sn850x (top gen 4 ssd) in every single application/game I've measured without fail lmao.

Welp for £68, which is what it costs over here, it might be worth a punt. My issue is though is capacity, I have a fairly slim install of windows & programs and I am already at 69gb, so allowing for overprovisioning, I would be getting close to capacity of this drive.

Whats are your thoughts on the 900P, which for me is still available used in the 240GB and 480GB capacities.

 

[Frozoken]

Welp for £68, which is what it costs over here, it might be worth a punt. My issue is though is capacity, I have a fairly slim install of windows & programs and I am already at 69gb, so allowing for overprovisioning, I would be getting close to capacity of this drive.

Whats are your thoughts on the 900P, which for me is still available used in the 240GB and 480GB capacities.

Fair enough thats the most glaring weakness i agree BUT just so you know u dont need overprovisioning with optane that's one of its advantages u can run it at 99% capacity with 0 performance impact and part of that is they already reverse some chips for that hence the odd capacities like 118gb p1600x which is actually 128gb but with space reserved (it's weird af ik). Thoughts on the 900p? Quite good it performs like a 905p almost exactly and same deal with p4800x, theyre all 1st gen optane thp sp slower than the p1600x and p5800x (expect 350MB/s qd1 reads tops and around 310MB/s writes) but theyre better value and im also considering the 280gb one (yes its 280gb not 240gb btw) as a game drive.

Also if you remove the hibernation file you save as much space on your OS drive as you have in ram thats how im geting extra use out of 110gb

 

[b1k3rdude]

Also if you remove the hibernation file you save as much space on your OS drive as you have in ram thats how im geting extra use out of 110gb

Yeah my 60GB figure above is with the hybernation files removed.

So random thought, what would happen if you used the p1600x as a cache drive for an existing SSD? Would we see the benefits of the superior 4kQD1 reads and write speeds..? But that said as this caching-mode would be windows only, we would not see any improvements to windows startup.

 

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Yeah my 60GB figure above is with the hybernation files removed.

So random thought, what would happen if you used the p1600x as a cache drive for an existing SSD? Would we see the benefits of the superior 4kQD1 reads and write speeds..? But that said as this caching-mode would be windows only, we would not see any improvements to windows startup.

There would be some improvement, with the caveat that random access is just that: random. Thus, it's inherently impossible to cache data consistently so you'd get more misses than usual.

 

[Frozoken]

So random thought, what would happen if you used the p1600x as a cache drive for an existing SSD? Would we see the benefits of the superior 4kQD1 reads and write speeds..? But that said as this caching-mode would be windows only, we would not see any improvements to windows startup.

You would see the benefits and many do just that including myself until the primocache free trial ran out lmfao. Not only that, other than the boot as you just said, you basically see all of the benefits of it. When I get it around to it I'm uninstalling some things and probably gonna buy primo cache outright and use 40gb of the optane as read cache for the WD.

Funnily enough with a handful of light programs and like 4 large games I was seeing something like a 99% hitrate with still 15gb out of 40 unused. The frequently used files are pretty small I guess.

There would be some improvement, with the caveat that random access is just that: random. Thus, it's inherently impossible to cache data consistently so you'd get more misses than usual.

Mine was on 99% hit rate ‍. If the optane has it prewritten than it will just respond like it was written to the drive as normal. Being random doesn't really change anything because it know which files are actually randomly accessed and then just writes them all down in advance which is why you gotta use the program amd go through a restart or two to get it working at full performance

 

[Tyler-98-W68]

It's a shame you didn't include (in the graphs) the M570Pro which you reviewed not that long ago

 

[ARF]

They must think of something else to put as a cooler. That gigantronoumous heatsink is both impractical and ugly.
What about solid-state active cooling chip, AirJet (R)?

Frore Systems

Frore Systems is the developer of breakthrough thermal technology for consumer devices. The company’s active cooling chips, AirJet® Mini and AirJet® Pro, are integrated into devices to remove heat silently, delivering 2X improvement in device processor performance.

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They must think of something else to put as a cooler. That gigantronoumous heatsink is both impractical and ugly.
What about solid-state active cooling chip, AirJet (R)?

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Frore Systems

Frore Systems is the developer of breakthrough thermal technology for consumer devices. The company’s active cooling chips, AirJet® Mini and AirJet® Pro, are integrated into devices to remove heat silently, delivering 2X improvement in device processor performance.

www.froresystems.com

Idk, I'd have a hard time recommending something I don't understand how it works. How would you clean that, once the dust sneaks in?

 

[Caring1]

I almost bought the 2TB version of this drive, but after looking through all the Tables and seeing how well the Kingston drive was doing, I went with that brand instead.
The KC3000 was shown to be at 96% of the performance in the comparison chart, and I went for the slightly better Fury Renegade 2TB