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PL1 red on 25w despite setting to 55w

gpspl

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Hello,

I'm getting red PL1 on LIMITS in TS but i set PL1 to 55W. Machine is Thinkpad x13 Gen 2.
Can someone help me sort this out, because when I'm gaming and using GPU cpu drops to like 2.4ghz despite temperature having around 15 degree headroom.

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Just don't clamp it so near.

You need to run something like Cinebench for 30 mins, look at your power draw, and set Short Duration limit above the highest power draw, and Long duration limit above the lowest power draw.

I usually use a mindful +2W on each lowest and highest Maximum power draw in HWi info and then round that up to the next 0-5. So if I see something like 54.595W lowest and 66.388W on highest, I'll use 60W for Short Limit and 70W for Long Limit.

Reason for that is that modern CPUs basically overclocked OTB to still promise something and get some market, they live in a tight box. In a long enough setting of load, power will creep up as temps will creep up A BIT because indeed voltage will likely creep up A BIT.

You won't burn your CPU. At this kind of power, you'd likely see +1-2*C max running Cinebench a few times in a row. For this you're likely to see it running something like 2-3W above the highest you got in a single test as well.

In a laptop, cooling is so constricted that I wouldn't be surprised you'll need to up your Short Duration limit much closer to your Long Duration limit, contrarily to what I see in your settings. However, if 30 mins Cinebench sees only 66.272W of highest power draw, don't use 90. Limit the worst that could happen by setting 70W.
 
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what do you mean? i set PL1 to 55W and it throttles at 25W
 
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Ok there might be some limits there in hardware, or limits to an OS utility.

Just put both limits at 90W and see what happens?

If it doesn't scale through this, then the OS utility is not doing what you are telling it to do.


Sorry I don't know that utility so much I've just seen your temps go to 100*C on half of the cores, so that would be a thermal throttle.

There's also something weird with the power limit duration and the Power balance.

Call for @unclewebb
 
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same thing, power limts for few seconds to 35w and then drops to 25W.

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Also all I'm seeing is it's throttled at 26.5W NOW, not what it was running of power before that.

Just run a Cinebench, take a screen shot after 5 seconds then wait and as soon as it'll throttle, take another screenshot and stop it.

same thing, power limts for few seconds to 35w and then drops to 25W.

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Sorry that doesn't help me getting a sense of your situation.

-3670016000000.00 us is a lot of time.

2.44 ms is still not helping on a SHORT duration. It's 0.00244 seconds.

Just tick the "Lock" box there and see.
 
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@gpspl

Try checking the MMIO Lock box in the TPL window. Those are the dynamic power limits that many 11th Gen CPUs use.

If that does not fix your power limit throttling problem then there might not be any way to fix this. Some computers use an embedded controller to enforce low power limits. These limits are not temperature related.

Set the turbo time limit to the default, 28 seconds. Requesting 3 million seconds will be ignored.
 
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@gpspl

Try checking the MMIO Lock box in the TPL window. Those are the dynamic power limits that many 11th Gen CPUs use.

If that does not fix your power limit throttling problem then there might not be any way to fix this. Some computers use an embedded controller to enforce low power limits. These limits are not temperature related.

Set the turbo time limit to the default, 28 seconds. Requesting 3 million seconds will be ignored.
His MMIO is ticked already I thought of that.

Should he tick the "Lock" box on the right of the PLs?

Or did you mean to untick the MMIO?
 
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