Possible near-future 2024 Arrow Lake build....

[dgianstefani]

Except 14700K is a significant improvement over 13700K.

4 extra E cores, 3 MB of cache and 200 MHz. It's between the 13700K and 13900K.

It's literally every other 14th gen SKU that is a rebrand with slightly higher clocks.

For some reason 14th gen is cooler than 13th gen across the board too with the same test setup, so that's another reason to ignore 13th gen.

 

[Space Lynx]

Honestly, you have a good rig right now. The gpu even pairs well with that alder lake. If you know the gpu won't be ordered until GTAVI for PC hits, I'd say wait for the CPU then too. It will be an even more refined platform then, and you won't have to deal with any possible new platform teething issues, but there is no need for that kind of CPU power combined with that gpu.

Just my two cents. Be patient since you already decided to be patient on the GPU. Seems pretty set in stone the RTX 5090 and 5080 will be out this winter, so unless you plan to do Arrow Lake and that at the same time, I'd say just be patient. /shrug

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

Although this is a build log, and not an advice thread, I'd suggest you find a good deal on either a 13900K or 14700K and wait Arrow Lake out for a year or so.

You've got a great board, decent RAM, and you should be able to get $150-$200 for your 12700K. the 13-9 or 14-7 will happily pair with a 4090 (or 5070/80) class card.

*edit*

I should clarify, that you'd need to find a 13900K for a fair bit less than the 14700K. Certainly wouldn't pay more for a 13900K than the 14700K.

 

[ir_cow]

Seeing you have a RTX 2070. I wouldn't upgrade until you get a new GPU because you'll gain nothing in frame rates. I'm using a 12700K and Z690 for my personal computer, but with a 3090 Ti.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Same z690 and 12700k here, it has done me grandly since built in 2021. I will probably go the same route as you with just board/CPU and ram switch, keeping the rest.

 

[SL2]

Except 14700K is a significant improvement over 13700K.

4 extra E cores, 3 MB of cache and 200 MHz. It's between the 13700K and 13900K.

It's literally every other 14th gen SKU that is a rebrand with slightly higher clocks.

Yeah, it's the only one that stands out in terms of improved specs, but that doesn't translate into significant improvements in games. (It's little better outside games, of course.)

While the 14900K is 1.4% faster than the 13900K,
the 14700K is 1.5% faster than the 13700K. (2560x1440) Edit: And 16% more expensive, kind of pointless for games.

 

[SL2]

For some reason 14th gen is cooler than 13th gen across the board too with the same test setup, so that's another reason to ignore 13th gen.

That's not true for games in TPU's 14700K review. C4D/CB/Blender is another story.

 

[ir_cow]

Less voltage for the same frequency

 

[dgianstefani]

That's not true for games in TPU's 14700K review. C4D/CB/Blender is another story.
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Nitpicking here. It's a bigger chip with more silicon active (4 more cores) than the 13700K. If you compare the 13900K-14900K, 13600K-14600K the 1:1 silicon has lower temperatures for 14th gen, despite higher clocks. The 14700K would be compared to something like a hypothetical 13800K.

In applications where all the cores are being used, for some reason the 14700K is cooler than the 13700K, probably because bigger silicon can be more efficient in applications that make use of MT.

The 14900KS is an outlier because of it's extra high power limit and the test being done under the same cooler for control, but noone who buys this chip will be putting it under an 11 year old air cooler anyway.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

but noone who buys this chip will be putting it under an 11 year old air cooler anyway.

Challenge accepted.

[Will do when become rich enough]

 

[SL2]

Nitpicking here. It's a bigger chip with more silicon active (4 more cores) than the 13700K.

It's more like you're exaggerating ("ignore 13th"). The discussion was about 13700k/14700K, ie not nitpicking. There's no valid reason to ignore the 13700K for games here. If a 14800K runs cooler than a 13900K it doesn't help a 14700K gamer, so that sweeping argument about "14th gen is cooler than 13th gen across the board" doesn't work here.

I got the impression that the OP was primarily into gaming, not productivity. Hence, difference in die size and productivity benchmarks doesn't matter,
while worse gaming temps and gaming performance improvements close to margin of error does.

 

[dgianstefani]

I'm nitpicking just as much as you're exaggerating ("ignore 13th"). There's no valid reason to ignore the 13700K for games here.

I got the impression that the OP was primarily into gaming, not productivity. Hence, difference in die size and productivity benchmarks doesn't matter,
while gaming performance improvements close to margin of error does.

Exaggerating? The entire 13th gen is being discontinued by Intel next month.

The replacement 14th gen CPUs slot in at the same price points and are technically superior e.g. 14700K, or 14900K essentially being a 13900KS, so why would you buy 13th gen if you're buying new in April 2024?

 

[SL2]

Exaggerating? The entire 13th gen is being discontinued by Intel next month.

Now you're changing subject. It's still being sold. If it gets sold out, pick something else.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Mm6p99/intel-core-i7-13700k-34-ghz-16-core-processor-bx8071513700k

The replacement 14th gen CPUs slot in at the same price points and are technically superior e.g. 14700K, or 14900K essentially being a 13900KS, so why would you buy 13th gen if you're buying new in April 2024?

I've already said why. Compared to the 13700K (345USD), the 14700K cost 16% more (400USD), games run 1.5% faster in 1440p, and it runs hotter.

There's no valid reason to ignore the 13700K for games.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Although they're the exact same processors, the only reason to go with 13th Gen is cost, this is how it's looking here in Brazil right now. The i9-13900KS is worth purchasing over the 14900K now that it's on sale, but otherwise it isn't - and the i9-13900K beats pretty much all the other chips value-wise, especially the 13900KF if GPU isn't needed or desired. 12900KS would be an attractive proposal, wasn't for the 14700K being priced practically the same, 100 BRL is turning out to be $19 USD right now.

 

[Hyderz]

I have to wait for GTA 6 for that...

I can still play my most recent games @ 1440p with my 2070 Super , Wreckfest, Forza Horizon 5, Hot wheels unleashed, and the older GTA V.

 

[P4-630]

It's a new hardware upgrade itch...

I love House though!

 

[Arco]

Would be interesting but I'm not sure what you will gain if you are only gaming. To be honest I would wait for whatever is a good CPU option when GTA 6 comes out. If ever.

I do get that itch though and it is very annoying. The voices are telling me to make a SFF PC even though I don't need the form factor.

 

[dgianstefani]

Would be interesting but I'm not sure what you will gain if you are only gaming. To be honest I would wait for whatever is a good CPU option when GTA 6 comes out. If ever.

I do get that itch though and it is very annoying. The voices are telling me to make a SFF PC even though I don't need the form factor.

SFF is the actual enthusiast tier IMO.

Anyone can take a huge Lian Li case and stuff it with fans and radiators to get brute force performance etc.

Now do it with a 15 L case budget. Torrent Nano is still 34 Litres for example.

Be warned.

It's a rabbit hole, and it will consume your time, mind and money, plus the perfect build will always be the next one. Fun tho

One cheap perk of SFF is ITX/mATX boards are all 1DPC, so you automatically get superior memory OC performance from better traces without having to buy a $700 mobo.

 

[P4-630]

SFF is the actual enthusiast tier IMO.

I like it size-wise but I think decent cooling is hard with decent hardware, larger towers are superior in the cooling category.

 

[dgianstefani]

I like it size-wise but I think decent cooling is hard with decent hardware, larger towers are superior in the cooling category.

It's hard, but that's the fun part.

I have two 240 mm radiators in my 13.83 L case. both hardware labs, one thicker than the other I forget exact measurements.

3D printed slightly taller case feet so I could mount the bottom rad fans on pull but on the outside of the case.

This is with front panel removed

 

[Arco]

SFF is the actual enthusiast tier IMO.

Anyone can take a huge Lian Li case and stuff it with fans and radiators to get brute force performance etc.

Now do it with a 15 L case budget. Torrent Nano is still 34 Litres for example.

Be warned.

It's a rabbit hole, and it will consume your time, mind and money, plus the perfect build will always be the next one. Fun tho

One cheap perk of SFF is ITX/mATX boards are all 1DPC, so you automatically get superior memory OC performance from better traces without having to buy a $700 mobo.

I've been doing VR showcases so I have to use my laptop. Which isn't all that powerful. Was thinking something like a Jonsbo D30-31 because they can fit a GB 4090 Gaming OC. (340mm)

With a smaller PC I could carry it in a case or backpack. I think the GPU I want would take up a third of that volume in a 15L.

Have to go MATX for those 4 DIMMs.

Any other PC cases that work? I'm not super into the garden yet and have barely scratched it.

 

[dgianstefani]

I've been doing VR showcases so I have to use my laptop. Which isn't all that powerful. Was thinking something like a Jonsbo D30-31 because they can fit a GB 4090 Gaming OC. (340mm)

With a smaller PC I could carry it in a case or backpack. I think the GPU I want would take up a third of that volume in a 15L.

Have to go MATX for those 4 DIMMs.

Any other PC cases that work? I'm not super into the garden yet and have barely scratched it.

For small you have to waterblock the GPU.

https://www.sliger.com/products/cases/cerberus/

This might fit your needs. Bit bigger than mine at 19.64 litres volume.

I'd avoid most of the chinese brands because tolerances aren't great.

The Corsair 2000D airflow might work for you too. TPU reviewed it recently in the version that came with no fans. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/corsair-2000d-airflow/

 

[Arco]

For small you have to waterblock the GPU.

https://www.sliger.com/products/cases/cerberus/

This might fit your needs. Bit bigger than mine at 19.64 litres volume.

Not sure if I want to waterblock it. The D30 is 26.5L.

The 4090 OC is 340mm long but it looks like the case only supports 330mm.

If you need me to to to PMs that would be fine. We kinda derailed.

 

[Dristun]

If the xx700 equivalent in 15th gen can beat 7800X3D in games then I'm very interested. If not, I guess I'll keep 12600K for another year and again upgrade the videocard to a 5090 instead. Hopefully latest-spec ATX3.1 PSUs with those upgraded connectors are widely available by autumn.

 

[nomdeplume]

Except 14700K is a significant improvement over 13700K.

In a world of illusion we take face value at face value?
Did you stop and think why this change was necessary, was committed?

It's literally every other 14th gen SKU that is a rebrand with slightly higher clocks.

I won't drag this OT from being a system build thread facing final critique before new variables are encountered.

Do allow me to say there is a lot of price gouging in tune with lowered quality or farcical improvements going on in the PC gaming world. These two taken together are never a sign purchases can be happily made. The decision to wait and wait some more was very well considered by P4-630.