The 10 year plan computer

[Arco]

"Lower" your expectations and do a $1700ish system and 4-5 years from now get a new CPU and GPU.

The PSU, cooler, storage, case, and or any fans can be carried from the old system. If you go AM5 with a mobo that has PCIE 5.0 for the X16 PCIE slot and maybe even the NVME slot you could even just pop in a new CPU. Maybe ram if newer CPUs don't lose much on the ram you pick now.

They have support until AT LEAST 2026, guessing by AM4 that might extend even further.

Newer mid-low end GPUs will absolutely sublimate older high-end GPUs from a couple generations before. Overall, I think you should get a midish-range GPU now and upgrade in 4-5 years.

 

[freeagent]

My brother still has his 1080TI working (mine is dead) and no way he can play with good FPS in actual titles which are...for the most...shitty console ports x_x

When I upgraded to a 4070Ti, my son got my 3070Ti which replaced his GTX 980 Classified, it is the card that I bought in 2017 to replace my GTX 580 lol..

Needless to say both Ti's absolutely destroy that 980 in every single possible way.. love that 980.. dual slot

 

[dgianstefani]

Despite the OP making it clear several times.

Apparently people can't read the thread.

OP is aware of the meta "build mid range every few years" strategy.

OP wants to do a final build that's ultra high end, for the hell of it.

Simple as.

It's a hobby build, try and understand this, it's not that complicated.

Next year I have the option, possibly for the first and last time, to purchase (within reason) compaonents to build a really high end pc and thats is exactly what I plan to do.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

Let's be real, you won't be able to run anything @60FPS (this is shitty FPS) in 10 years with a 4090 so why do you even try to search ?

I already stated that:

I'd recommend waiting till aftermarket 4090s become a triple figure purchase (likely a possiblity in 2025) and snagging one of them, or a discounted 4080 Super. However, this doesn't guarantee you any AAA gaming compatibility by 2034.

 

[A Computer Guy]

The PSU, cooler, storage, case, and or any fans can be carried from the old system. If you go AM5 with a mobo that has PCIE 5.0 for the X16 PCIE slot and maybe even the NVME slot you could even just pop in a new CPU. Maybe ram if newer CPUs don't lose much on the ram you pick now.

Note PSU's are moving toward ATX12VO right? So it's possible the PSU might have to be replaced if the motherboard also needs to be replaced in 5 years time.

 

[c2DDragon]

When I upgraded to a 4070Ti, my son got my 3070Ti which replaced his GTX 980 Classified, it is the card that I bought in 2017 to replace my GTX 580 lol..

Needless to say both Ti's absolutely destroy that 980 in every single possible way.. love that 980.. dual slot

nVidia is expensive but we can tell for sure that their expensive cards are able to make us feel the way it's meant to be played for at least 3 years xD I want the 5090 right now xD

 

[Arco]

Despite the OP making it clear several times.

Apparently people can't read the thread.

OP is aware of the meta "build mid range every few years" strategy.

OP wants to do a final build that's ultra high end, for the hell of it.

Simple as.

It's a hobby build, try and understand this, it's not that complicated.

That's, uh, "interesting,"

5090 and whatever the strongest CPU for gaming is next year.

I don't really understand nor am I going to read an entire 11 page thread on this. But the OP does OP.

Note PSU's are moving toward ATX12VO right? So it's possible the PSU might have to be replaced if the motherboard also needs to be replaced in 5 years time.

Good point. They might do workarounds but I'm not knowledgeable enough on the topic.

nVidia is expensive but we can tell for sure that their expensive cards are able to make us feel the way it's meant to be played for at least 3 years xD I want
the 5090 right now xD

Watch the 5090 be the same price and unobtanium again. Btw it STILL regularly goes for $2000ish used/open box and or scalped. It's really sad how the situation has stayed the same.

 

[c2DDragon]

Watch the 5090 be the same price and unobtanium again. Btw it STILL regularly goes for $2000ish used/open box and or scalped. It's really sad how the situation has stayed the same.

I tried a bit with custom AI models using my AMD card (lol), I like it but devs seems to prefer CUDA over everything right now so an expensive card to do hobby/business?/gaming, I can afford an high price tag, I couldn't bear the 4080 price at launch but now the AI frenzy is something...why not spend an insane amount to work on it ? =)
I bet the 5090 will be $3000 (so 3500 or 3900€) but if you look at things, Twitter (sorry, the nazi-wanna-be guy named it X), Youtube, Tiktok, every platform don't care if there is any AI content, if you can do like $1000 working with your GPU in week-ends, I guess it's not bad x) Time will tell if the 5090 is a good gpu to buy. I guess it would be because nGreedia is all about AI right now. Time will tell.

 

[tussinman]

My brother still has his 1080TI working (mine is dead) and no way he can play with good FPS in actual titles which are...for the most...shitty console ports x_x

1080 Ti should still be decent for non enthusiast use. My 2060 Super which is probably a little bit slower than the 1080 Ti is good for high/very high combo for 1080p and mostly medium (with some high) at 1440p.

Regardless 10 years rarely if ever happens for GPU. 2080Ti might come close if your realistic with settings (2018 era card that still offer near 4060 TI level performance present day)

 

[c2DDragon]

1080 Ti should still be decent for non enthusiast use. My 2060 Super which is probably a little bit slower than the 1080 Ti is good for high/very high combo for 1080p and mostly medium (with some high) at 1440p.

Regardless 10 years rarely if ever happens for GPU.

Yes, I'm ok with this but read the very first post, OP wants to be able to play games like Cyberpunk (which was clearly not optimized at launch), on High settings, in 10 years. So...ok you don't mean a 1080TI for the 10 next years but even a 4090 couldn't do high settings of future titles in 1080p, let's be real.

 

[tussinman]

Yes, I'm ok with this but read the very first post, OP wants to be able to play games like Cyberpunk (which was clearly not optimized at launch), on High settings, in 10 years. So...ok you don't mean a 1080TI for the 10 next years but even a 4090 couldn't do high settings of future titles in 1080p, let's be real.

I wouldn't be shocked if the 4090 is able to do high settings 1080p (high not ultra or max) all the way until the PS5 era games are discontinued. Depending on how long they push this gen that could be early 2030s for a 2022 era card. 2080Ti is another good longevity card, almost 6 years old (plus came out before the present generation consoles) and still offering near 4060 Ti level performance.

GPU generational leaps slowing down is going to help these high-end cards age better. I wouldn't be surprised if the 4090 is still offering mid-level $400-500 performance in whatever they call the 2027/2028 generation cards

 

[c2DDragon]

I wouldn't be shocked if the 4090 is able to do high settings 1080p (high not ultra or max) all the way until the PS5 era games are discontinued. Depending on how long they push this gen that could be early 2030s for a 2022 era card. 2080Ti is another good longevity card, almost 6 years old (plus came out before the present generation consoles) and still offering near 4060 Ti level performance.

GPU generational leaps slowing down is going to help these high-end cards age better.

The PS5 Pro is supposed to be on the way. GTA 6 is supposed to be going on it, let's say 2025 for those ?
So it's 1 year. Ok the 4090 will be able to produce frames @60FPS+ @1080p for at least 4 years more.

Now we are in the AI era you think in 10 years the actual cards could handle AI/RT borked shit/Engine inovations ? Ok it's still possible you could play things using DirectX 12 in 10 years but..no, knowing Microsoft I just doubt you could. Nobody talked about DirectX. It's something Vulkan cannot beat right now.

For sure Vukan is something but, people are gaming on Windows 10 or 11 because Linux cannot beat it (sad thing I love linux distros but they are limited for gaming, if there is a billionaire who could make things change, he/she would be welcomed xD) (I use vulkan over DirectX on Windows too for some games so don't try to misunderstand what I mean please xD)

 

[BoggledBeagle]

.... I wouldn't be surprised if the 4090 is still offering mid-level $400-500 performance in whatever they call the 2027/2028 generation cards

While consuming four times more power than those $400 cards and being twice as large?

 

[c2DDragon]

While consuming four times more power than those $400 cards and being twice as large?

What is the issue about power consumption ? Don't your governments leaders and mine use 1000% more power or even more per day than us ? For their "things ?" Who cares right now ? For real, I mean, for real...?

EDIT : If I could enjoy a 10 000 Watt/H GPU making me enjoy my life and also making money to pay for the electricity I wouldn't care right now in this era. It's the selfish era. If you would care you would be an ermit right now.

 

[tussinman]

The PS5 Pro is supposed to be on the way. GTA 6 is supposed to be going on it, let's say 2025 for those ?
So it's 1 year. Ok the 4090 will be able to produce frames @60FPS+ @1080p for at least 4 years more.

PS5 Pro is rumored to be only around 4070 level performance and the baseline PS5 is only last I checked around 2070 level performance maybe 2070 super. The Pro coming out isn't going to make the 4090 any weaker or phase it out sooner, these games are going to be designed to play on a baseline PS5 which is like a fraction as fast of GPU as a 4090 + only using Zen 2 CPU.

As long as they keep making games for the PS5 the 4090 should be fine (it being an 8- or 9-year card from launch is very realistic).

While consuming four times more power than those $400 cards and being twice as large?

That has nothing to do with the point I was making. Obviously, I'm not saying "go buy a used 4090 in 3 or 4 years instead of those newer cards because they're basically the same thing".

The point was if the 4090 is hypothetically still offering mid-level performance in the later part of 2020s, then it could realistically come close to being a viable card for close to a decade (assuming no software issues). 2080 Ti is another that could be like that as well, it's almost 6 years old + came out before the current generation consoles and it's still offering similar performance to a 4060 Ti.

 

[c2DDragon]

PS5 Pro is rumored to be only around 4070 level performance and the baseline PS5 is only last I checked around 2070 level performance maybe 2070 super. The Pro coming out isn't going to make the 4090 any weaker or phase it out sooner, these games are going to be designed to play on a baseline PS5 which is like a fraction as fast of GPU as a 4090 + only using Zen 2 CPU.

Tag me in 10 years from now then please.
I bet $1 dollar a 4090 won't be able to play a Cyberpunk 2077-like game in High settings in 10 years like OP wants.

EDIT : Please read the first post and be real guys.
EDIT bis : 11 pages of almost nonsese. THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

I was pointing out that the performance is just a result of the device function, you cannot ignore the inputs.

If you choose to ignore the inputs and judge just the performance alone, that is your decision, and it may not be a good decision.

BTW the "selfish era" will probably end in a major catastrophy.

 

[Desktopstu]

Despite the OP making it clear several times.

Apparently people can't read the thread.

OP is aware of the meta "build mid range every few years" strategy.

OP wants to do a final build that's ultra high end, for the hell of it.

Simple as.

It's a hobby build, try and understand this, it's not that complicated.

omg! someone finally gets it!

Tag me in 10 years from now then please.
I bet $1 dollar a 4090 won't be able to play a Cyberpunk 2077-like game in High settings in 10 years like OP wants.

EDIT : Please read the first post and be real guys.
EDIT bis : 11 pages of almost nonsese. THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE.

Im not expecting it to play AAA games in 2035. Id like to play high end games now and just let the pc get old, thats it. When I get really into a game I tend to play the same game a long time - years in fact. Id be happy to play latest titles now and by 2035 be playing indie games.

So many here are getting the wrong idea - no pc will be high end for 10 years unless its upgraded on a 2-3 year cycle. Thats not what im after, im trying to build something that will have the longest lifespan possible (aim 10 years is optimistic at best) to see just how far it can go. Its just a hobby, thats all. Its just for the hell of it. Once built, i may give a yearly update to let everyone know how its doing and what it can still play.

 

[A Computer Guy]

omg! someone finally gets it!


Im not expecting it to play AAA games in 2035. Id like to play high end games now and just let the pc get old, thats it. When I get really into a game I tend to play the same game a long time - years in fact. Id be happy to play latest titles now and by 2035 be playing indie games.

So many here are getting the wrong idea - no pc will be high end for 10 years unless its upgraded on a 2-3 year cycle. Thats not what im after, im trying to build something that will have the longest lifespan possible (aim 10 years is optimistic at best) to see just how far it can go. Its just a hobby, thats all. Its just for the hell of it. Once built, i may give a yearly update to let everyone know how its doing and what it can still play.

To be fair even a mediocre machine can last 10 years depending on it's purpose and how you use it. My Core2Quad Q6600 on Asus P5E-WS (x38 chipset w/ PCI-X RAID Controller) 8GB ECC RAM lasted about that long (built in 2009) however it was repurposed along the way because my computing needs changed about 5-6 years in from that initial build. It even ended up running Windows 10 for awhile up until a Microsoft forced Win10 update destroyed my RAID array. It had started out as my Fileserver/Workstation then switched roles to file server/general sever basically operating 24/7 until the RAID failure.

 

[Knight47]

Note PSU's are moving toward ATX12VO right? So it's possible the PSU might have to be replaced if the motherboard also needs to be replaced in 5 years time.

Just get a Corsair PSU(RMe, RMx, HXi, AXi) with a ATX12VO Adapter Cable.

ATX12VO Adapter Cable

Use the CORSAIR ATX12VO Adapter Cable to expand your CORSAIR modular power supply’s compatibility for use with 12V-only motherboards. Convert a CORSAIR 18+10-pinconnector to a 10-pin ATX12VO, with an in-line circuit for guaranteed ATX12VO motherboard comp

www.corsair.com

 

[BoggledBeagle]

I am building a `10 year (and a bit) plan` pc. That is, a pc thats going to last me 10 years. ... PC is predominantly to be a gaming and office platform. ... I want the end pc to last a long time before needing an upgrade. In fact I intend to hold it to the 10 year plan if i can.

Hmmm. What you wrote is quite clear.

I am not sure if anybody already mentioned it but I believe that a lot of games require online connection and support from their producer to run. After 10 years, new games will not run on your obsolete PC and a lot of the old games will not run because they will have lost support by then. (is this correct grammar? sounds weird)

So the gaming part of the plan is dubious. And planning to build an office PC for a great amount money to last 10 years? More than silly.

 

[Desktopstu]

Any advice on hardware that has the most

Hmmm. What you wrote is quite clear.

I am not sure if anybody already mentioned it but I believe that a lot of games require online connection and support from their producer to run. After 10 years, new games will not run on your obsolete PC and a lot of the old games will not run because they will have lost support by then. (is this correct grammar? sounds weird)

So the gaming part of the plan is dubious. And planning to build an office PC for a great amount money to last 10 years? More than silly.

world of tanks still runs, been on that well over 10 years. Command and conquer the same. Doom 3- one of my all time favourites, and the game I built my first gaming pc to specifically run- still plays on windows 11. Not sure how old doom 3 is but Its got to be 15 years or more. Oh and lord of the rings online, jeeez I’ve been playing that since it was first released and the graphics were jaw dropping back then.
I suspect cyberpunk will still be around in 10 years, I suspect also the likes of red dead will be and Balders gate

 

[Outback Bronze]

Not sure how old doom 3 is but Its got to be 15 years or more.

Diablo 2 is still running, isn't it? Thats like 23 years now. Pretty sure it was released in 2001, that's when I roughly bought it anyways : )

 

[gurusmi]

Any advice on hardware that has the most

...Not sure how old doom 3 is ...

Doom 3 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[mb194dc]

It's totally possible if you buy the right hardware.

I have 4790k system @4.6 is still going strong, initial release of that chip Apr 30th, 2014...

Still gpu bottlenecked at 4k in everything I do and it crunches Windows 10 and general use fine. No reason to change it, probably till 2032 but we'll see...

Single thread it's similar to a ryzen 3600 or so.