The TPU UK Clubhouse

[the54thvoid]

I mean, sure, the football career may be short, but it doesn't stop them from having a new career afterwards. The pay levels don't relate to their tenure as a footballer, it relates to the vast amounts of money being pumped into the game by sponsors, marketeers, and investment funds. That's it - it's all about the money being made by those at the top and those who gain from PR rights. If it was based on longevity, you'd not see such crazy salary discrepancies as there are across the different leagues. Tax rates excepted, it'd take someone earning 40k/year fifty years to earn the equivalent annual salary as West Bromwich Albions (not even EPL) top paid player (2 million).

For shits'n'giggles, Kevin De Bruyne earns 20 million/yr. That same guy at 40k? It'd take 500 years to earn De Bruyne's annual salary. It's fucking stupid. Man City's annual wage bill for 22 players is 192 million pounds. That's the annual salary of 4,800 people earning 40k. Man City's poorest reserve player (aged 19) earns 25k per week. These are just club wages - not sponsorships on top. Talking about footballer salaries is like drinking alcoholic molten gold.

 

[kurosagi01]

I mean, sure, the football career may be short, but it doesn't stop them from having a new career afterwards. The pay levels don't relate to their tenure as a footballer, it relates to the vast amounts of money being pumped into the game by sponsors, marketeers, and investment funds. That's it - it's all about the money being made by those at the top and those who gain from PR rights. If it was based on longevity, you'd not see such crazy salary discrepancies as there are across the different leagues. Tax rates excepted, it'd take someone earning 40k/year fifty years to earn the equivalent annual salary as West Bromwich Albions (not even EPL) top paid player (2 million).

For shits'n'giggles, Kevin De Bruyne earns 20 million/yr. That same guy at 40k? It'd take 500 years to earn De Bruyne's annual salary. It's fucking stupid. Man City's annual wage bill for 22 players is 192 million pounds. That's the annual salary of 4,800 people earning 40k. Man City's poorest reserve player (aged 19) earns 25k per week. These are just club wages - not sponsorships on top. Talking about footballer salaries is like drinking alcoholic molten gold.

At the same time they could all crash and burn and have 0 income if they didn't "invest" properly, they could easily become homeless if they just go on a money wasting spree.
It can go 2 ways I guess but yeah as a whole they are getting overpaid and there is no "average" or a "max" capped salary for any profession really since its a "supply and demand" use case, one could argue CEO/directors etc shouldn't be earning triple or even million figures a year as well that could go up and up a year and also bonuses as well.

Its kinda like software engineer in the UK which is very location dependant and experience.
Junior engineer: 19-25k if outside of London, 23-35k if within london
Engineer (more experienced than junior and is involved with meetings with other departments) - 27-45k if outside london, 45k-60k in london
Senior - 55-80k outside London, 60-100k+ for London

 

[AusWolf]

I mean, sure, the football career may be short, but it doesn't stop them from having a new career afterwards. The pay levels don't relate to their tenure as a footballer, it relates to the vast amounts of money being pumped into the game by sponsors, marketeers, and investment funds. That's it - it's all about the money being made by those at the top and those who gain from PR rights. If it was based on longevity, you'd not see such crazy salary discrepancies as there are across the different leagues. Tax rates excepted, it'd take someone earning 40k/year fifty years to earn the equivalent annual salary as West Bromwich Albions (not even EPL) top paid player (2 million).

For shits'n'giggles, Kevin De Bruyne earns 20 million/yr. That same guy at 40k? It'd take 500 years to earn De Bruyne's annual salary. It's fucking stupid. Man City's annual wage bill for 22 players is 192 million pounds. That's the annual salary of 4,800 people earning 40k. Man City's poorest reserve player (aged 19) earns 25k per week. These are just club wages - not sponsorships on top. Talking about footballer salaries is like drinking alcoholic molten gold.

If I had those 2 millions, I would retire right in this very moment, at 34.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

If I had those 2 millions, I would retire right in this very moment, at 34.

Where are you going to go? Spain?

Probably spend most of it on smokes anyway

 

[mechtech]

I still will never accept dancing is a sport. Any olympic event should be a feat of human strength or endurance, and some of these new "sports" are neither of them. It's getting stupid. Next we'll have jenga as an olympic sport.

Well. Synchronized swimming is basically dancing in water and figure skating is dancing on ice? Probably way more physically intense than golf……might be the next summer Olympic sport lol

 

[the54thvoid]

Well. Synchronized swimming is basically dancing in water and figure skating is dancing on ice? Probably way more physically intense than golf……might be the next summer Olympic sport lol

This is a very good observation, sir.

As for breakdancing. It's more impressive than some dude or dudette spinning in a circle to throw what looks like a construction tool across a football pitch.

Some of this stuff is absolutely nuts!

 

[AusWolf]

Where are you going to go? Spain?

Probably spend most of it on smokes anyway

There's lots of options. Housing in the UK is one of the most expensive in the world. And I'm an EU citizen, so...

Or I'd just blow it on smokes as you said. Even that's better than listening to corporate blahdy blah 8 hours a day.

Well. Synchronized swimming is basically dancing in water and figure skating is dancing on ice? Probably way more physically intense than golf……might be the next summer Olympic sport lol

This is a very good observation, sir.

As for breakdancing. It's more impressive than some dude or dudette spinning in a circle to throw what looks like a construction tool across a football pitch.

Some of this stuff is absolutely nuts!

I don't disagree with you guys, but what still makes dancing a non-sport in my eyes, is that it's not quantifiable, therefore you can't objectively decide who's better at it.

 

[kurosagi01]

Well the basic definition of "Sport" is just a physical activity or game.
So in a sense, all the examples given in earlier post count as a sport.
But worthy to be in the Olympics is debatable.

 

[wheresmycar]

I don't disagree with you guys, but what still makes dancing a non-sport in my eyes, is that it's not quantifiable, therefore you can't objectively decide who's better at it.

The Committee governing the Olympics could get a little creative with this one. The clues in the name "Break Dance". First one to break a leg wins

 

[KrazyT]

Not an UK resident, but i have football jersey from Scotland and England, could it work ?

Just a reminder about breaking at the olympics, the guide from A to Z :
here !
Scroll a bit and they explain how it will be judged, the moves etc ...

I've heard, but not really sure, that Breaking will be a one shot, and should disapear for the next Olympics ...

To me, Olympics should have stood with basic sports : measure the faster, higher and longer jumper people on earth

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Well the basic definition of "Sport" is just a physical activity or game.
So in a sense, all the examples given in earlier post count as a sport.
But worthy to be in the Olympics is debatable.

you think the greeks at the first olympics would have allowed dancing

 

[the54thvoid]

you think the greeks at the first olympics would have allowed dancing

Contemporary to the ancient games at Olympia, the Athenians ran an event every four years in honour of Athena, called The Greater Panathenaia. It expanded on the events in honour of Zeus (held at Olympia), and included:

traditional athletic, musical, and equestrian competitions, such as the horse race depicted on this prize amphora. However, it also entailed an eclectic program of more unusual events, including contests in male beauty, dancing in armor, a chariot-mounting and dismounting race (while the chariot was in motion!), and torch- and boat-races.

So while not part of the very limited events at Olympia (all male, often naked), the Athenian event reflected the same culture and did include dancing and much more. Again, it was all male. And probably naked. The ancient Greeks very much supported dancing as a competitive event.

The Ancient Olympics and Other Athletic Games

Highlights from The Met collection illustrate the many athletic games held in ancient Greece, featuring celebrity athletes, grand prizes, and the mythical origins of the first Olympics.

www.metmuseum.org

I studied classical civilisations at Uni for a year, and did two years of archaeology, so these conversations always pique my interest.

 

[mechtech]

Contemporary to the ancient games at Olympia, the Athenians ran an event every four years in honour of Athena, called The Greater Panathenaia. It expanded on the events in honour of Zeus (held at Olympia), and included:



So while not part of the very limited events at Olympia (all male, often naked), the Athenian event reflected the same culture and did include dancing and much more. Again, it was all male. And probably naked. The ancient Greeks very much supported dancing as a competitive event.

The Ancient Olympics and Other Athletic Games

Highlights from The Met collection illustrate the many athletic games held in ancient Greece, featuring celebrity athletes, grand prizes, and the mythical origins of the first Olympics.

www.metmuseum.org

I studied classical civilisations at Uni for a year, and did two years of archaeology, so these conversations always pique my interest.

Dancing in armor
Sounds tiring and noisy.

 

[the54thvoid]

Sounds tiring and noisy.

Much like a skeleton being electrocuted in a biscuit tin.

 

[AusWolf]

We went to pick up the missus's new glasses yesterday. I parked in the town centre for maybe an hour, but it was enough for somebody to leave a small scratch on my car and then try to smear it with dirt with his/her fingers. And people wonder why I never go anywhere unless I absolutely have to.

Anyway, the car has other chips and dings that need fixing, so... Does anybody have any experience with ChipsAway? Are they good?

 

[Tatty_Two]

We went to pick up the missus's new glasses yesterday. I parked in the town centre for maybe an hour, but it was enough for somebody to leave a small scratch on my car and then try to smear it with dirt with his/her fingers. And people wonder why I never go anywhere unless I absolutely have to.

Anyway, the car has other chips and dings that need fixing, so... Does anybody have any experience with ChipsAway? Are they good?

I have used them a couple of times in the past but not for about 8 years, they were very good and at the time pretty reasonable although I have no idea about their rates today, so like most companies they are likely double what I paid which i can't remember anyway but the work was immaculate, however that may vary from one individual to another.

 

[Space Lynx]

common mosquitoes have been found in Scotland in all areas

Climate change: Future disease risk from mosquitos in Scotland

One of the most common types of mosquito has been identified for the first time in locations across Scotland.

www.bbc.com

Give it a couple more years, and you all will finally know the hell of mosquitoes ruining your outdoor fun time like the rest of us.

"They found 16 types of mosquito in Scotland, including the Culex pipiens, which is prevalent in North and South America, parts of Europe and some areas of Asia and Northern Africa.

Prof Heather Ferguson, who has been leading the study, said they were surprised to find the insects in all corners of the country."

article goes on to state:


He said that in recent years the West Nile virus, which is mainly transmitted to people through the bites of infected mosquitoes, had been spreading across Europe.

“Cases have been identified in France," Dr Phin said.

"It doesn’t take a leap of the imagination to see that very soon they could be detected in England and in Scotland”

 

[FreedomEclipse]

common mosquitoes have been found in Scotland in all areas

Climate change: Future disease risk from mosquitos in Scotland

One of the most common types of mosquito has been identified for the first time in locations across Scotland.

www.bbc.com

Give it a couple more years, and you all will finally know the hell of mosquitoes ruining your outdoor fun time like the rest of us.

"They found 16 types of mosquito in Scotland, including the Culex pipiens, which is prevalent in North and South America, parts of Europe and some areas of Asia and Northern Africa.

Prof Heather Ferguson, who has been leading the study, said they were surprised to find the insects in all corners of the country."

article goes on to state:


He said that in recent years the West Nile virus, which is mainly transmitted to people through the bites of infected mosquitoes, had been spreading across Europe.

“Cases have been identified in France," Dr Phin said.

"It doesn’t take a leap of the imagination to see that very soon they could be detected in England and in Scotland”

Thats great news!

All these annoying mosquitoes all dying of alcohol intoxication!

Meanwhile:



The skinny:




But what they also said at the end of the article...



5.4 tonnes or explosives...

I failed at science but I'm sure with that amount of TNT Mr pilot would have become part of the atmosphere he was flying through in his B17 but now all in atomised particle form.

It's unfortunate, and no disrespect intended to the pilot or the team trying to dig him out but he doesn't exist in this universe no more.


::EDIT::

Argh. Just fucked my pc up.

Used DDU for a clean driver install but on restart everything boots fine. I get the windows 10 booting thing but as soon as I get to the login screen, its black screen which means that W10 is in a funk and cant load default drivers. Since its 1am, there is nothing I can do till tomorrow as I need to shift the tower forward to get to the IGP and that will make too much noise.

 

[AusWolf]

Argh. Just fucked my pc up.

Used DDU for a clean driver install but on restart everything boots fine. I get the windows 10 booting thing but as soon as I get to the login screen, its black screen which means that W10 is in a funk and cant load default drivers. Since its 1am, there is nothing I can do till tomorrow as I need to shift the tower forward to get to the IGP and that will make too much noise.

On contrary to popular opinion, my experiences with DDU aren't the best, either. I tend to avoid using it whenever possible. The Nvidia/AMD uninstaller is fine 99% of the time.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Thats great news!

All these annoying mosquitoes all dying of alcohol intoxication!

Meanwhile:

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The skinny:

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But what they also said at the end of the article...

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5.4 tonnes or explosives...

I failed at science but I'm sure with that amount of TNT Mr pilot would have become part of the atmosphere he was flying through in his B17 but now all in atomised particle form.

It's unfortunate, and no disrespect intended to the pilot or the team trying to dig him out but he doesn't exist in this universe no more.


::EDIT::

Argh. Just fucked my pc up.

Used DDU for a clean driver install but on restart everything boots fine. I get the windows 10 booting thing but as soon as I get to the login screen, its black screen which means that W10 is in a funk and cant load default drivers. Since its 1am, there is nothing I can do till tomorrow as I need to shift the tower forward to get to the IGP and that will make too much noise.

They are dreaming, been there 80 years, died in massive explosion, they will find specs of bone at the very least. I just hope taxpayers are not paying for this waste. What they should do is just put something on the spot with a plaque marking the spot.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

On contrary to popular opinion, my experiences with DDU aren't the best, either. I tend to avoid using it whenever possible. The Nvidia/AMD uninstaller is fine 99% of the time.

Normally DDU works perfectly fine 8 out of 10 times so I keep using it. Maybe I'll stop using it and only bring it out if the pc is being funky after a driver update.

Im extremely cautious with AMD driver updates because they have always been buggy as hell for me and not played nice with my setup at all compared to how smooth my system ram with my 1080Ti. So If a driver works for me, I wont be constantly updating because I dont need all optimisations for newer games.

Im only updating because of the constant driver crashes and suttering/microstuttering when watching youtube. It drops so many hundreds of frames for reasons unknown and apart from duff drivers there is nothing else to blame because the card is 'fairly new' still and Im not doing anything in the background either that demands use of the GPu. Bugs also come and go with driver releases. Some bugs get fixed while some different ones get added. Some even never get fixed like with the issue with the power consumption when running multiple monitors.

I was looking at a 4070Ti earlier but those are still around £600-700. As much as Id like to have one. 7900GRE is cheaper but I might aswell not bother due to poor drivers and how this pc handles AMD cards.

Maybe people on more modern machines have better experiences. This 6700XT of mine has never been silky smooth.


::EDIT::

I also transferred my logitech G900 to my laptop. What a difference a good sensor makes compared to £11-15 tecknet garbage.

 

[AusWolf]

only bring it out if the pc is being funky after a driver update.

That's what I do with DDU:

1. Update driver with only the installer.
2. If it fails, or bugs out, then uninstall using the Nvidia/AMD uninstaller and do a clean install.
3. If it still bugs out, then use DDU.

I rarely ever reach the 3rd step.

Im extremely cautious with AMD driver updates because they have always been buggy as hell for me and not played nice with my setup at all compared to how smooth my system ram with my 1080Ti.

That's weird. I've been smooth sailing ever since RDNA 2.

I was looking at a 4070Ti earlier but those are still around £600-700. As much as Id like to have one. 7900GRE is cheaper but I might aswell not bother due to poor drivers and how this pc handles AMD cards.

Nvidia is still way too expensive, imo. I've just sold my 7800 XT to spend the money on upcoming gigs and trips, but when they're over, I'll be looking at RDNA 4. I haven't tried an Nvidia card since Turing, and it'll stay that way as long as they keep playing the "we're the only GPU maker, and you'll pay whatever we ask" game.

Maybe people on more modern machines have better experiences. This 6700XT of mine has never been silky smooth.

Could there be something else going on in your system? As far as I recall, my 6750 XT was problem-free.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Could there be something else going on in your system? As far as I recall, my 6750 XT was problem-free.

Yeah. Its just old

Could probably also do with a fresh installation of W10 or 11 but im so close to getting a new machine (despite it probably being at the end of the year that i do anything) that im not even going to waste time with a fresh OS just too much headache reinstalling everything. In future i'll probably create a fresh system backup/image. keep it on a hard drive and just roll it once every 2 years.


Cant tell you when my copy of W10 was installed on the PC (maybe 2018...) because ive not touched it since messing it up last night.



::EDIT::

Huh... So I only installed this OS in 2020.

We are finally up and rolling again.

At the same time its messed around with my audio setup. I usually have the IGP output audio to my Yamaha Receiver, but if I run in exactly the same config. W10 doesnt like extending the desktop without treating the phantom monitor as the primary monitor. I know i can drag the monitors around and set which one is primary but im going to see how this goes before messing about with it anymore than i need to. it was a headache to get it working properly the last time. Everything was locked at the refreshrate of the AVR and wouldn't go any higher.

::EDIT::

youtube is still dropping frames, although at a much slower rate now....

 

[AusWolf]

Yeah. Its just old

Could probably also do with a fresh installation of W10 or 11 but im so close to getting a new machine (despite it probably being at the end of the year that i do anything) that im not even going to waste time with a fresh OS just too much headache reinstalling everything. In future i'll probably create a fresh system backup/image. keep it on a hard drive and just roll it once every 2 years.


Cant tell you when my copy of W10 was installed on the PC (maybe 2018...) because ive not touched it since messing it up last night.

My installation has survived about 3 entirely different systems. It's a miracle that it's still running without problems.

Keeping a fresh installation on a separate drive and cloning sounds like a good idea, although it might not take less time than a fresh install, so I'm not sure if it's worth it. I'm also tempted to try Linux after a roughly 10-year pause to see how things have improved gaming-wise. I've heard Proton is quite good these days. One thing is for sure: I will not let Spydows 11 anywhere near any of my PCs.

As for buying new hardware, yeah, I'd wait until autumn when all the new stuff comes out. Even if not for the new stuff directly, then for a discount on current gen.

Edit: My method of easy reinstalls involves having my Steam library on a separate drive, which is a great help due to the crappy internet connection I have here. Downloading hundreds of GB would take days.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

My installation has survived about 3 entirely different systems. It's a miracle that it's still running without problems.

My installs usually last very long as well. I wont bother unless it is broken due to random software messing it up. I had this before on multiple occasions where it will change how W10 handles certain tasks and uninstalling the software still leaves enough remnants of the app that it still messes with W10. Sometimes I cant uninstall this software at all and it keeps running in the background.

Keeping a fresh installation on a separate drive and cloning sounds like a good idea, although it might not take less time than a fresh install,

I'll probably do this too. I have a few old 2.5" SSDs that are now very surplus to requirements. I'll create an image then store it on one of them.

Edit: My method of easy reinstalls involves having my Steam library on a separate drive, which is a great help due to the crappy internet connection I have here. Downloading hundreds of GB would take days.

One of the reasons why I have so many drives hooked up. steam library! Although I'll copy and paste my C:/Users folder and program data folders so I can recover all sorts of settings and other data from it to save time if software has to be reinstalled again.