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[palladino.al]

"Faster" = a tiny bit less slow. Other than that, exactly.

that's why nvidia is preferred.
As for the VRAM issue, as was discussed before, I think that if Nvidia puts less RAM it is only because it has a little cleaner code than the one adopted by AMD

 

[wNotyarD]

As for the VRAM issue, as was discussed before, I think that if Nvidia puts less RAM it is only because it has a little cleaner code than the one adopted by AMD

Nah, that's to upsell any model that has a larger buffer. See, the double VRAM makes little to no difference for a 4060Ti (their only current gen model which has different VRAM sizes), yet the 16GB costs a whole lot more.

 

[palladino.al]

Nah, that's to upsell any model that has a larger buffer. See, the double VRAM makes little to no difference for a 4060Ti (their only current gen model which has different VRAM sizes), yet the 16GB costs a whole lot more.

the dead end is that now the RAM is sufficient, soon it will start to run out and an AMD from the same year allows you to last longer

 

[wNotyarD]

the dead end is that now the RAM is sufficient, soon it will start to run out and an AMD from the same year allows you to last longer

You can see it that way, yes. One of the reasons I switched from the 3070 to the 7900XTX was that its 8GB buffer wasn't cutting it anymore at 1440p.
Getting a XTX was only due to opportunity, though, as I planned to get either a 4070Ti or 7900XT.

 

[palladino.al]

basically the same thing as me. But are these fewer fps "notable"?

 

[wNotyarD]

basically the same thing as me. But are these fewer fps "notable"?

Between cards in the same tier? I'd say hardly so. Especially if you stay within VRR range (usually from 48 to max monitor Hz) with it enabled.

 

[palladino.al]

Between cards in the same tier? I'd say hardly so. Especially if you stay within VRR range (usually from 48 to max monitor Hz) with it enabled.

that as we said yesterday, only LG is VRR?

 

[wNotyarD]

that as we said yesterday, only LG is VRR?

They all are (Freesync Premium, though only Koorui's website lists the GN03 as so - just Freesync otherwise). They should work just as well with any GeForce card, but only the LG is certified by NVIDIA.

 

[AusWolf]

that's why nvidia is preferred.
As for the VRAM issue, as was discussed before, I think that if Nvidia puts less RAM it is only because it has a little cleaner code than the one adopted by AMD

RT on AMD = pretty much unplayable. RT on Nvidia = slightly less unplayable, but still shit. It's not worth any extra money, in my opinion.

No, Nvidia doesn't have any "cleaner code". I don't know where you get that from. VRAM is VRAM on every card. Some games don't even show any difference in performance, but in quality, which is hard to test.

I recommend this video (time-stamped to the relevant part):

 

[palladino.al]

RT on AMD = pretty much unplayable. RT on Nvidia = slightly less unplayable, but still shit. It's not worth any extra money, in my opinion.

No, Nvidia doesn't have any "cleaner code". I don't know where you get that from. VRAM is VRAM on every card. Some games don't even show any difference in performance, but in quality, which is hard to test.

I recommend this video (time-stamped to the relevant part):

so what do you recommend?

 

[wNotyarD]

so what do you recommend?

Playing with RT off, irrelevant of what card you choose.

 

[AusWolf]

so what do you recommend?

I recommend going with your gut.

Personally, I think more VRAM that AMD offers could be more beneficial in the future, but if you value slightly better (that is, slightly less bad) RT performance now, there's nothing wrong with Nvidia, either.

 

[P4-630]

Or wait for RTX 5xxx ....

 

[palladino.al]

I recommend going with your gut.

Personally, I think more VRAM that AMD offers could be more beneficial in the future, but if you value slightly better (that is, slightly less bad) RT performance now, there's nothing wrong with Nvidia, either.

but what if we know if the dlss 3.5 will be compatible with the 4xxx series?
I would like to wait but worry that the prices will be high

 

[P4-630]

I would like to wait but worry that the prices will be high

It seems to me you're not in a hurry...

In this case I'd wait for the upcoming RTX 5xxx GPU's.
If it turns out they're to expensive in your opinion, you could still get an RTX 4xxx at lower price by then.

Using iGPU for a few months might be worth the wait, I have done it in the past.

 

[palladino.al]

Playing with RT off, irrelevant of what card you choose.

so I assume it's better if you play with rt turned off amd?

 

[wNotyarD]

so I assume it's better if you play with rt turned off amd?

I'd personally play with RT off with both makers. Never turned it on with my former 3070, never turn it on with my current 7900XTX.
Way too much performance penalty for a feature not always noticeable.

And following this (as I do not care for RT) between the 4070S and the 7900GRE I'd go with the GRE. But that's me.

 

[palladino.al]

I'd personally play with RT off with both makers. Never turned it on with my former 3070, never turn it on with my current 7900XTX.
Way too much performance penalty for a feature not always noticeable.

And following this (as I do not care for RT) between the 4070S and the 7900GRE I'd go with the GRE. But that's me.

because 7900gre and not 7900xt?

 

[dgianstefani]

because 7900gre and not 7900xt?

Literally none of the AMD cards can do path tracing or even ray tracing at acceptable frame rates.

RTX 4000 can, and it's supporting tech, DLSS, is also currently the best on the market for quality and performance, regardless of if you're using upscaling or not. Regardless of if you use it today, all current game engines are moving/have moved to ray traced lighting in place of older techniques, the next bump is path tracing/full ray tracing, where the AMD showing is in the single digit FPS.

Besides superior efficiency, there's also the fact that almost every library of software to utilise the GPU is built around CUDA or other NVIDIA exclusives. There's those that will tell you proprietary = bad, but when the proprietary vendor controls ~80% of the market, it's a non issue for the consumer.

Go for the 4070S or wait for RTX5000, next gen AMD is mid range only.

As noted in the conclusions of recent GPU reviews, the VRAM is a non issue, besides games like Alan Wake 2 with its literal memory leak (where even a 4090 struggles eventually), you're not going to suffer at 1440p.

 

[AusWolf]

but what if we know if the dlss 3.5 will be compatible with the 4xxx series?
I would like to wait but worry that the prices will be high

It's up to you to decide how important that is to you. I'd say, DLSS or FSR are only good when performance is lacking to provide smooth frame rates. I wouldn't rely on it constantly.

so I assume it's better if you play with rt turned off amd?

It's better if you play with RT off on any hardware. Nvidia is slightly better than AMD, but not better enough, imo.

I'd personally play with RT off with both makers. Never turned it on with my former 3070, never turn it on with my current 7900XTX.
Way too much performance penalty for a feature not always noticeable.

And following this (as I do not care for RT) between the 4070S and the 7900GRE I'd go with the GRE. But that's me.

I agree completely.

 

[wNotyarD]

because 7900gre and not 7900xt?

You're asking why the GRE instead of the XT? Price. But if you can stretch your budget, sure, go for the higher tier.

If you want to raytrace, though, forget the Radeons and get whichever GeForce your budget allows, and crank DLSS up to your liking.
Not my personal approach, but it's completely valid.

 

[P4-630]

@dgianstefani it seems like we're on OP's ignore list...

 

[palladino.al]

@dgianstefani it seems like we're on OP's ignore list...

referring to what? if I'm asking it's because I have doubts and not because either one or the other prevails

Ti stai chiedendo perché il GRE invece dell'XT? Prezzo. Ma se riesci ad allungare il tuo budget, certo, scegli il livello più alto.

did I show you the prices in Italy?
Up to what budget?

 

[wNotyarD]

referring to what? if I'm asking it's because I have doubts and not because either one or the other prevails


did I show you the prices in Italy?
Up to what budget?

You did mention the prices (7900GRE 560, 4070S 600, 4070Ti 730, 7900XT 750, 4070TiS 840), but not your max budget.

 

[palladino.al]

because 7900gre and not 7900xt?

let's say that apparently by increasing the graphics capacity I should also change the PSU, I also have to change the case and finally I have to get the 2k monitor, let's say that the max budget is 1200.
Since I'm throwing myself into 2k, so a 60 series GPU will no longer be enough for me, I would like to get a card that will last me over time