Upgrade from I7 8700k to Ryzen 7800x3d system?

[Laurijan]

Hello,

Black friday is closing in and I have got some spare money for CPU + mobo + ram.
This summer I upgraded to a RTX 4070 Ti and am struggeling with some modern games due to my I7 8700k system.
Should I go with a Ryzen 7800x3d and a Asus TUF GAMING B650-PLUS mobo? These parts would be in my budget.
I have 48GB of DDR4 but I think I need to go the DDR5 route also.
A bundle of the ryzen + mobo + 32gb ddr5 would be close to 770€ now so I though that I should at least wait for black friday to see some killer deals (if bots dont buy them up)
Any 2 cents to the above plan? Some magically better mobo maybe for close to the same price?

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[FoulOnWhite]

Tbh, sounds good to me.

 

[AusWolf]

Tbh, sounds good to me.

Agreed.

 

[mb194dc]

What's your use case?

What games, Hz and resolution are you at ?

 

[Laurijan]

What's your use case?

What games, Hz and resolution are you at ?

Use case gaming mostly. Got a LG 65" CX that can do 4k 120Hz HDR with GSYNC / Freesync / VRR. I most times aim for 4K 60FPS if possible. From my PS5 I learned that even 4K with 40FPS when using VRR is good enough for me. I dont care much about RT but if the game lets me use it with 60FPS minimum I go for it. Really would like to max out graphics some more but the 8700k is getting obsolete fast now. I now play Alan Wake 2 that game gets my rig to its knees really.

 

[faye]

If it turns out the Black Friday deals don't get prices low enough for you the cheaper but nearly as good option for your use case would be a used 5800X3D. AM5 is obviously the way to go if you can, since it will leave you with an eventual upgrade path and AM4 is a dead socket, but if it's $300 cheaper or whatever to go 5800X3D and X570 given you can also reuse your existing RAM, it may be worth considering.

The much higher throughput of DDR5 and tweaked architecture of the 7000 series may pull ahead in the future, but for the moment the 5800X3D is very close to the 7800X3D in most things.

 

[kapone32]

I will also add that going with AM5 would allow you to jump to PCIe 5.0 drives. They are noticeably faster as OS drives than 4.0 drives like the Firecuda 530.

 

[dgianstefani]

I would wait until second gen AM5 8800X3D and X770, first gen still has a few teething issues.

You're only playing on 120 Hz and at 4K too, so it's not a big deal.

Intel 14700K would also allow you to keep using your DDR4.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

I would wait until second gen AM5 8800X3D and X770, first gen still has a few teething issues.

You're only playing on 120 Hz and at 4K too, so it's not a big deal.

Intel 14700K would also allow you to keep using your DDR4.

How dare you recommend Intel, the very thought of it /s

 

[Bill_Bright]

Except in the event of a urgent "repair" to get a downed computer back on-line now, if not sooner, if I were doing a new build today, or such a major upgrade as you are planning, I definitely would go with DDR5. I see no reason to buy new, old technology.

I would also plan on replacing that WD hard drive you are using as a secondary drive with an SSD. Even the slowest SSD will run circles around that, or any hard drive.

I am having a hard time finding information on your motherboard. According to your System Specs, you have a "MSI" Z390 Gaming X. But when I search for "MSI Z390 Gaming X", I keep coming up with "Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X" or "MSI Z390 Gaming Plus".

So, do you have the MSI "PLUS" or the Gigabyte "X"?

If you have the Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X, as seen here, if you want to upgrade from the 8700K, it does support several faster i7 and i9 processors. This may be a considerably more affordable, but still rewarding upgrade option.

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Speaking of motherboards, note that a new motherboard (except an exact replacement as part of a repair action) constitutes a new computer. That is, we can upgrade the CPU, RAM, graphics, case, power supply, drives, keyboard and mouse, and that is just an "upgrade". But as soon as we upgrade the motherboard, that is "new computer" and as such, "may" require purchasing a new OS license.

If your current OS license is an "OEM/System Builder's" license (and most are), OEM licenses are inextricably tied to the "O"riginal "E"quipment and cannot, under any circumstances, "legally" be transferred to a new computer. And note this EULA condition is something we, as users, agree to when we first use the license on the original computer.

However, if this is a full "Retail" license, we can transfer the license over and over again to new computers/motherboards AS LONG AS we remove all previous installations from previous computers.

So, I am just saying, depending on your current license, you may need to adjust your budget accordingly if you want to upgrade to a new motherboard (computer) too.

 

[Laurijan]

Except in the event of a urgent "repair" to get a downed computer back on-line now, if not sooner, if I were doing a new build today, or such a major upgrade as you are planning, I definitely would go with DDR5. I see no reason to buy new, old technology.

I would also plan on replacing that WD hard drive you are using as a secondary drive with an SSD. Even the slowest SSD will run circles around that, or any hard drive.

I am having a hard time finding information on your motherboard. According to your System Specs, you have a "MSI" Z390 Gaming X. But when I search for "MSI Z390 Gaming X", I keep coming up with "Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X" or "MSI Z390 Gaming Plus".

So, do you have the MSI "PLUS" or the Gigabyte "X"?

If you have the Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X, as seen here, if you want to upgrade from the 8700K, it does support several faster i7 and i9 processors. This may be a considerably more affordable, but still rewarding upgrade option.

***

Speaking of motherboards, note that a new motherboard (except an exact replacement as part of a repair action) constitutes a new computer. That is, we can upgrade the CPU, RAM, graphics, case, power supply, drives, keyboard and mouse, and that is just an "upgrade". But as soon as we upgrade the motherboard, that is "new computer" and as such, "may" require purchasing a new OS license.

If your current OS license is an "OEM/System Builder's" license (and most are), OEM licenses are inextricably tied to the "O"riginal "E"quipment and cannot, under any circumstances, "legally" be transferred to a new computer. And note this EULA condition is something we, as users, agree to when we first use the license on the original computer.

However, if this is a full "Retail" license, we can transfer the license over and over again to new computers/motherboards AS LONG AS we remove all previous installations from previous computers.

So, I am just saying, depending on your current license, you may need to adjust your budget accordingly if you want to upgrade to a new motherboard (computer) too.

The upgrade to DDR5 feels right at this time. Been a guy that has same CPU for 4+ or 5+ years so at least DDR5 would stay ontop better than decade old tech by the time for the next CPU upgrade.

Sorry there was an error I got a Gigabyte mobo, I bought it couple of year after my initial Asus Strix Z370F-Gaming, in case my mobo dies (my mobos always die first). Bought it for like 100e amazon.de warehouse with multiple discounts when 1151 socket mobos were not produced anymore, just in case. Had to start using it since my Asus started BSODing couple of weeks ago - so I was wise to get it.

With Windows license Im gonna call MS if needed, telling them of the mobo switch, if it ever helps. When I had to switch from Asus mobo to Gigabyte I called MS but they refused to fix the license since I used a license that was upgraded from Win7 to 8 to 10 to 11
Win7 free upgrade patch was disabled this year it seems (finally lol).

 

[Miss_Cherry_Bomb]

I would suggest if you do go for an AM5 or DDR5 Intel system that you check the memory support section on the MB homepage before buying your DDR5 kit. I've noticed that a lot of the EXPO/DDR5 problems people have been having are because the memory kits they're buying are not on the compatibility list for the MB they bought. I'd also suggest a Gigabyte MB over Asus as Asus has the least amount of compatible kits, exaple look up 64gb 6000mhz on AM5 Asus and you get 10 kits (7 expo kits) where as Gigabyte has two pages with around 20 on the first page alone.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Sorry there was an error I got a Gigabyte mobo

Okay. That makes sense then. Thanks for clarifying, and thanks for updating your System Specs.

so I was wise to get it.

I agree. And FTR, I happen to prefer Gigabyte boards. We use them almost exclusively here. I have one in this system. I know others say they have had bad experiences with the company, but they have really treated me right - even replacing a 4 year old board that failed, at not cost to me, 1 year after its 3 year warranty expired!

With Windows license Im gonna call MS if needed, telling them of the mobo switch, if it ever helps.

You say, "if needed" - not sure what you mean there. In almost every case, transferring Windows to a new computer will result in a working system. That is, it will let you do it on a technical level, even if illegal - though it may, one day, stop working, or give other warnings about being invalid.

This is not an issue with the technical process of transferring the OS to a different and having it still work. The issue is, we as users agreed to abide by the terms of the license when it was first installed it on the old system.

It is similar to obeying traffic laws. The law says we must come to a complete stop when we come to a stop sign. We agreed to abide by the laws, as a term of our license agreement with the issuing authority. Can we run a stop sign and get away with it? Most likely. But not always or forever, or legally.

Microsoft is NOT going to chase us down. They don't actively look for illegal "individual" users. It is not worth spending the resources trying to seek out individuals. Big corporations (and evil governments) violating the terms of the agreement, sure. But not individuals.

But it is still possible, one day, you might get an invalid installation message. So in that case, it certainly would not hurt to contact Microsoft, be upfront and honest and tell them what you are doing. Odds are, they will want to keep you happy and give you a new code. But by the terms of the EULA, they don't have to.

So to be legal, and not have to worry that, one day, your OS will balk, I say if your current license is not a full "Retail" license, buy a new one. Then from then on, you can legally transfer it over and over again to your heart's delight.

That said, since the Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X board does support better performing i7s and i9s, you might consider that upgrade option instead. Then there's no need to worry about the legality of your OS. Plus, you just pull the old one, plop the new one in, properly apply a fresh new layer of TIM (thermal interface material), remount the cooler and be speeding on your way!

 

[Space Lynx]

Hello,

Black friday is closing in and I have got some spare money for CPU + mobo + ram.
This summer I upgraded to a RTX 4070 Ti and am struggeling with some modern games due to my I7 8700k system.
Should I go with a Ryzen 7800x3d and a Asus TUF GAMING B650-PLUS mobo? These parts would be in my budget.
I have 48GB of DDR4 but I think I need to go the DDR5 route also.
A bundle of the ryzen + mobo + 32gb ddr5 would be close to 770€ now so I though that I should at least wait for black friday to see some killer deals (if bots dont buy them up)
Any 2 cents to the above plan? Some magically better mobo maybe for close to the same price?

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you can save money on this mobo:

ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2, mATX-emolevy - 171,90€

Tekniset tiedot :Prosessorituki : AMD AM5 -kanta Tukee AMD Ryzen 7000 -sarjan työpöytäprosessorejaPiirisarja : AMD B650Muisti : 2 x DDR5 DIMM,

www.jimms.fi

it is very well rated:

 

[evernessince]

I would wait until second gen AM5 8800X3D and X770, first gen still has a few teething issues.

No it doesn't. The only problem the platform had was long boot times and that has been solved with AGESA updates. Current Zen platform can achieve higher stable memory clocks then even Intel now.

 

[OliverQueen]

Probably an unpopular option though, how about trying to find a i9 9900K CPU? I went from a 8700K to a 9900K on my system (before the upgrade this week) & noticed a substantial increase in performance with a 3080ti (even though still running at PCIe GEN3 & not noticed any realistic increase in FPS 1% lows or average with a 13900K running PCIe Gen4 with same GPU). In the games I play (mostly ARPG's) the framerates in them have not changed more than a couple of percent going to the latest Intel consumer platform (still running DDR4). The only performance increase I have seen is when encoding video where got a 50% increase in performance (240fps up to 370fps using NVENC on the GPU with the 13900K compared to the 9900K). CPU usage in the games is within 2-3% of before & the 13900K is running at 700Mhz higher across all performance cores compared to the 9900K at same temperatures & wattage usage - both were limited to 240W due to using Noctua NH-D15 air cooler).

So I either got a golden 9900K (which I doubt as did run HOT) or I got a dud 13900K in the silicon lottery. A 9900K would tide you over in the mean time & 9th gen CPU's are still holding their money compared to 8th gen (which are going for next to nothing now) or even 10th gen (going to same price as 9th gen) on the used market. Even if it was upgrade a few months down the line, you would be looking at getting the vast majority or even the same price as what you paid for CPU back.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

Any 2 cents to the above plan?

I agree with the plan itself: 7800X3D is a fantastic gaming processor. You can't get anything better than that. 32 GB of RAM do seem very reasonable as well. Just get the best RAM sticks your budget allows.

As for the motherboard, 7800X3D doesn't need anything spectacular from VRM. At all. You can be sure even the cheapest and the shittiest mobo survives for a decade under this CPU. Get yourself the cheapest B650 that supports all interfaces you need. And check its RAM compatibility, don't buy untested RAM.

 

[kapone32]

I agree with the plan itself: 7800X3D is a fantastic gaming processor. You can't get anything better than that. 32 GB of RAM do seem very reasonable as well. Just get the best RAM sticks your budget allows.

As for the motherboard, 7800X3D doesn't need anything spectacular from VRM. At all. You can be sure even the cheapest and the shittiest mobo survives for a decade under this CPU. Get yourself the cheapest B650 that supports all interfaces you need. And check its RAM compatibility, don't buy untested RAM.

Especially when you if a have a AM5 board you are good with just just CPU replacements for the next 3 generations of CPUs and APUs.

 

[Laurijan]

Got me a 7800x3d + TUF B650 Plus mobo + Kingston Fury Beast 32GB 6000MHz RGB ram for under 700e. That makes me wonder why GPUs are so expensive. My RTX 4070Ti was 1000e in summer and I now can get all, a new CPU, mobo and ram for less than that.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

Probably an unpopular option though, how about trying to find a i9 9900K CPU? I went from a 8700K to a 9900K on my system (before the upgrade this week) & noticed a substantial increase in performance with a 3080ti (even though still running at PCIe GEN3 & not noticed any realistic increase in FPS 1% lows or average with a 13900K running PCIe Gen4 with same GPU). In the games I play (mostly ARPG's) the framerates in them have not changed more than a couple of percent going to the latest Intel consumer platform (still running DDR4). The only performance increase I have seen is when encoding video where got a 50% increase in performance (240fps up to 370fps using NVENC on the GPU with the 13900K compared to the 9900K). CPU usage in the games is within 2-3% of before & the 13900K is running at 700Mhz higher across all performance cores compared to the 9900K at same temperatures & wattage usage - both were limited to 240W due to using Noctua NH-D15 air cooler).

So I either got a golden 9900K (which I doubt as did run HOT) or I got a dud 13900K in the silicon lottery. A 9900K would tide you over in the mean time & 9th gen CPU's are still holding their money compared to 8th gen (which are going for next to nothing now) or even 10th gen (going to same price as 9th gen) on the used market. Even if it was upgrade a few months down the line, you would be looking at getting the vast majority or even the same price as what you paid for CPU back.

9900K? The power draw is absolutely insane on that inefficient thing. That should rule that CPU out for all use cases given what's out on the market.

 

[Vario]

Probably an unpopular option though, how about trying to find a i9 9900K CPU? I went from a 8700K to a 9900K on my system (before the upgrade this week) & noticed a substantial increase in performance with a 3080ti (even though still running at PCIe GEN3 & not noticed any realistic increase in FPS 1% lows or average with a 13900K running PCIe Gen4 with same GPU). In the games I play (mostly ARPG's) the framerates in them have not changed more than a couple of percent going to the latest Intel consumer platform (still running DDR4). The only performance increase I have seen is when encoding video where got a 50% increase in performance (240fps up to 370fps using NVENC on the GPU with the 13900K compared to the 9900K). CPU usage in the games is within 2-3% of before & the 13900K is running at 700Mhz higher across all performance cores compared to the 9900K at same temperatures & wattage usage - both were limited to 240W due to using Noctua NH-D15 air cooler).

So I either got a golden 9900K (which I doubt as did run HOT) or I got a dud 13900K in the silicon lottery. A 9900K would tide you over in the mean time & 9th gen CPU's are still holding their money compared to 8th gen (which are going for next to nothing now) or even 10th gen (going to same price as 9th gen) on the used market. Even if it was upgrade a few months down the line, you would be looking at getting the vast majority or even the same price as what you paid for CPU back.

2 years ago I tried 8600K to 9900K and it was so underwhelming I returned the 9900K.

 

[Laurijan]

I yesterday installed the 7800x3d and other parts. Was quite frustrating for 2h since PC hanged and first screen and could not enter bios. I make a dedicated post about the problem I had and how I solved it.