Upgrade from R5 5600 to 5700x3d or go to AM5?

[natr0n]

I like am4 you just need good/finely tuned/low cas memory and inf fabric/whatever its called in sync

I have many chips 5950x/3700x/(3600xt gave to mom) but currently playing with a 5600x

nothing you can't do with these cpu as long as system is properly tuned

 

[Keullo-e]

Still contemplating upgrading my CPU. Especially now after the quake in Taiwan. Right now, the local price for a 5800X3D and a 5900X is about the same (around DKK 2200). The 5700X3D is a bit cheaper (around DKK 2000), while the regular 5800X can be had for around DKK 1500. Which would be the "best value" pairing with that RTX4080 I still have sitting unopened? The rest of the system will be unchanged, except for the PSU.

I did consider a platform upgrade to AM5, but it's simply too expensive for me at the moment.

I see you have a 1440p monitor so the CPU is in somewhat important role, I'd go for either X3D chip in your situation.

I got just a 5800X as I play at 4K.

 

[wNotyarD]

I like am4 you just need good/finely tuned/low cas memory and inf fabric/whatever its called in sync

With an X3D processor, there's less need for a highly tuned RAM (some run-off-the-mill 3200C16 or 3600C18 will do just fine). You just need the match between MCLK and FCLK.

 

[DaemonForce]

5800X3D is a great chip and literally as fast as a 7600X anyway in gaming.

I mean.....Yeah. :/

If you're in a market where AM5 boards are a less expensive investment, so is the 7600X but one of the main selling points of being on AMD hardware is longer term support than competition. The 5800X3D is more expensive but with a gap of $10 and ~11K pts the real question you should be asking is 5900X when? It's one of the reasons I'm stuck on the same issue and I'm coming from the 3600, which is nearing the performance floor for 1080p144 desktop and 2K90VR gaming right now. I really want to play around with an X3D chip but at double the cache, cores and performance, does it really matter that much?

 

[wNotyarD]

I mean.....Yeah. :/

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If you're in a market where AM5 boards are a less expensive investment, so is the 7600X but one of the main selling points of being on AMD hardware is longer term support than competition. The 5800X3D is more expensive but with a gap of $10 and ~11K pts the real question you should be asking is 5900X when? It's one of the reasons I'm stuck on the same issue and I'm coming from the 3600, which is nearing the performance floor for 1080p144 desktop and 2K90VR gaming right now. I really want to play around with an X3D chip but at double the cache, cores and performance, does it really matter that much?

According to TPU's testing suite, a 5800X3D is approximately 16.7% faster than a 5900X in gaming at 1080p, 7.3% at 4K.

While at the subject of either the 5700X3D or 5800X3D, they're now for those who're established with AM4, not for those building from scratch. Those should aim for a 7700(X).

 

[Keullo-e]

While at the subject of either the 5700X3D or 5800X3D, they're now for those who're established with AM4, not for those building from scratch. Those should aim for a 7700(X).

Exactly, getting a new AM4 setup isn't wise unless you're on low budget.

 

[azrael]

According to TPU's testing suite, a 5800X3D is approximately 16.7% faster than a 5900X in gaming at 1080p, 7.3% at 4K.

While at the subject of either the 5700X3D or 5800X3D, they're now for those who're established with AM4, not for those building from scratch. Those should aim for a 7700(X).

Exactly, getting a new AM4 setup isn't wise unless you're on low budget.

But I guess that's the question no one is asking. I'm pretty sure all of us contemplating a new AM4 socket CPU are doing so with upgrading in mind. No one in their right mind would buy a new AM4-based system, unless they're *extremely* strapped for cash (and probably not even then).

The biggest question remains *which* 5000 series CPU to upgrade to.

 

[Chomiq]

But I guess that's the question no one is asking. I'm pretty sure all of us contemplating a new AM4 socket CPU are doing so with upgrading in mind. No one in their right mind would buy a new AM4-based system, unless they're *extremely* strapped for cash (and probably not even then).

The biggest question remains *which* 5000 series CPU to upgrade to.

5800X3D, easy.

 

[azrael]

5800X3D, easy.

Only if everything you do on your system is gaming. I find the 5900X at the same price point interesting as well. Especially for everything *but* gaming.

 

[Keullo-e]

Only if everything you do on your system is gaming. I find the 5900X at the same price point interesting as well. Especially for everything *but* gaming.

Well, practically you can't go wrong with any 5000 series CPU with a 5700X or better.

 

[azrael]

Did find this little nugget. According to this even a 5800X3D will bottleneck an RTX 4080 in Control at 2560 x 1440. Very surprising. Not sure I really buy into the result tbh.

 

[overclockedamd]

Did find this little nugget. According to this even a 5800X3D will bottleneck an RTX 4080 in Control at 2560 x 1440. Very surprising. Not sure I really buy into the result tbh.

Control has a ton of physics going on all the time so this doesnt surprise me.

 

[wNotyarD]

But I guess that's the question no one is asking.

If anything, I misunderstood @DaemonForce's post. If so, mea culpa.

I'm pretty sure all of us contemplating a new AM4 socket CPU are doing so with upgrading in mind. No one in their right mind would buy a new AM4-based system, unless they're *extremely* strapped for cash (and probably not even then).

Here, I'll have to bring some situational conditioning. At least in Brazil, cost of entry to B650M is more than double that of B550M. Same with DDR4 to DDR5, 3200C16 costs roughly half of 5600C40 at same capacity. The only flipped point is the CPU at an even performance tier: the 5800X3D is priced some 37% above a 7600X (and on par with a 7700X), however the slightly lower performing 5700X3D is at the same price bracket as the Zen 4 6-core model.
While not a futureproof option by a long shot, for those who don't upgrade frequently a 5700X3D new build still offers amazing value here. As I positioned earlier: people SHOULDN'T aim for a new AM4 build, but it's not that they MUSTN'T. However, if one were to build into a value dead end platform from scratch I'd say to go and get a Raptor Lake i5.

The biggest question remains *which* 5000 series CPU to upgrade to.

5800X3D for gaming only, 5950X for heavy tasking.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Still contemplating upgrading my CPU. Especially now after the quake in Taiwan. Right now, the local price for a 5800X3D and a 5900X is about the same (around DKK 2200). The 5700X3D is a bit cheaper (around DKK 2000), while the regular 5800X can be had for around DKK 1500. Which would be the "best value" pairing with that RTX4080 I still have sitting unopened? The rest of the system will be unchanged, except for the PSU.

I did consider a platform upgrade to AM5, but it's simply too expensive for me at the moment.

Coming from 3800X either 5950x or 5800X3D and just pair down in the category 5900x/5700X3D to match your budget. Personally I'd stick to the 30% rule so if you can't get 30% performance boost from the upgrade it's better to save your money otherwise you will end up spending more in the long run because you might not feel satisfied in the day to day grind. I'm not sure 3800X to 5800X is a 30% performance boost (maybe in games) but if you can get 5800x for $150 that would be a great deal. What ever you pick I would prioritize finding the best deals. (from reputable sources of course)

 

[dgianstefani]

If anything, I misunderstood @DaemonForce's post. If so, mea culpa.


Here, I'll have to bring some situational conditioning. At least in Brazil, cost of entry to B650M is more than double that of B550M. Same with DDR4 to DDR5, 3200C16 costs roughly half of 5600C40 at same capacity. The only flipped point is the CPU at an even performance tier: the 5800X3D is priced some 37% above a 7600X (and on par with a 7700X), however the slightly lower performing 5700X3D is at the same price bracket as the Zen 4 6-core model.
While not a futureproof option by a long shot, for those who don't upgrade frequently a 5700X3D new build still offers amazing value here. As I positioned earlier: people SHOULDN'T aim for a new AM4 build, but it's not that they MUSTN'T. However, if one were to build into a value dead end platform from scratch I'd say to go and get a Raptor Lake i5.


5800X3D for gaming only, 5950X for heavy tasking.

i5 14600 wins value hands down.

 

[wNotyarD]

i5 14600 wins value hands down.

Is the non-K available anywhere? Certainly not here. I still like the pricing on the 600KF's very much, though.

 

[DaemonForce]

5800X3D for gaming only, 5950X for heavy tasking.

Yeah I'm not sure about this. Not a desktop gamer and I'm interested in getting back into it but because I've been MIA for so long, I'm more familiar with bench numbers than actual gaming performance related issues. I mentioned that the 3600 is pretty close to the performance floor, so it sounds like a good idea to take care of this soon. As a gamer and developer, there seems to be a choke between the 5800X3D and 5950X because I tend to play and contribute to games that ARE doing some pretty heavy tasking. So I don't know how to draw that line in the sand. In any chart the line is going to appear very light, thick and gray. What I'm saying is it's extremely difficult to divorce these performance qualities between gaming and multitasking. Throw in multi-streaming and it only gets worse from there.

Coming from 3800X either 5950x or 5800X3D and just pair down in the category 5900x/5700X3D to match your budget.

This might be the best approach. I tend to pick a high value SKU as an entry to a new platform (I've had this 3600 for a very long time) and capstone with something insane, with stipulations on different parts.
CPUs will meet 2-3x the performance, GPUs used to be strictly a DirectX level thing but lately will be anywhere from 3.5-10x performance but other things are now starting to influence these decisions. CPU instructions would get added and dropped so quickly it became difficult to find anything relevant to what I do at a good price. GPUs would often lock me out of things by DirectX level and but now there are enough performance related issues that I absolutely have to pay attention to things like core clock and memory performance. Thankfully the 7900 XT starts where my RX 580 stops, so I'm good for another few years.

As for CPUs I also tend to pick from a lower price than where I started. Haven't seen that part happen yet and price discovery has been pretty weird for the past 4 years for some reason so maybe something will happen soon. GPUs are only going to continue to hold like my mobo. I have NO idea why that's been a thing this entire time. Absolutely wild.

Personally I'd stick to the 30% rule so if you can't get 30% performance boost from the upgrade it's better to save your money otherwise you will end up spending more in the long run because you might not feel satisfied in the day to day grind.

That is a very good idea.

 

[Chomiq]

Only if everything you do on your system is gaming. I find the 5900X at the same price point interesting as well. Especially for everything *but* gaming.

Should have mentioned it then.

 

[azrael]

Should have mentioned it then.

I did.

 

[INSTG8R]

I'm in a similar situation, from 2700 to 5600X and looking at the 5700X3D, while now running a 7900 XTX.
I'll get the X3D and rock it until AM6, or at least until it can't run anything I'd like it to acceptably (but if I am to be true, the 5600X already runs everything I throw at it with little to no issue).

Precisely my plan too started with a 3700X as a placeholder for Zen3 went 5600X, gonna ride out AM4 on a 5800X3D/7900XTX and see what they cook up for AM5 maybe next gen if I feel I am starting to fall behind because I'm certainly not right now...

 

[A Computer Guy]

GN looks at the older 2700x (and other CPU's) in comparison. Depending on your preferred frame rate and games you play older CPU's can still do quite well when paired with a good GPU.
When it comes to upgrade decisions this means you can take more time to collect money for better upgrades on newer platforms. Something to be carefully considered before plunking down money on a platform that probably won't be able to keep up with games 5yrs from now with perhaps X3D being a unique exception. It will be interesting to see 5yrs from now how well X3D CPU's hold up.

 

[Gica]

According to TPU's testing suite, a 5800X3D is approximately 16.7% faster than a 5900X in gaming at 1080p, 7.3% at 4K.

With RTX 4090. What difference is there when the video card is RTX 3060 Ti?
Next to the 3070Ti I used for a long time: i5-10500, i5-13500 and i7-14700KF. There are zero differences between 13500 and 14700KF, the video card returns the same scores in the benchmarks. The i5-10500 has small penalties (only in some games), but you don't notice them when you play.

I think he can save his money for a future purchase, a 5600X or 5800X (very attractive prices) being more than enough for his video card.


I notice that there are still many victims of marketing and I see an attractive X3D with 30% extra price for 1% extra performance... if it exists even next to the RTX 4090.
Some tests with video cards from the middle area (4070/7700XT, etc.) will probably put them in depression. WTF?! Zero differences between my expensive X3D and a budget processor?! Fck, my life is ruined!

 

[Keullo-e]

With RTX 4090.

Any sane person doesn't get a 2KEUR card...

 

[Gica]

Any sane person doesn't get a 2KEUR card...

Reviewers use this video card to test the CPU's limits in games. When you say "According to xxx testing suite" you must understand that it uses this video card and the results are not valid for you, owner of a much weaker video card.
I'm also tired of the "future proof" doughnut. All those who applaud it change their processors like socks.

 

[wNotyarD]

@Gica I'll concede you one thing and one thing only: I could've said up to. Yes, up to those percentages faster when running a 4090.
Still, again by TPU a 5800X3D against the 5900X is faster up to ~8% at 1080p and ~1% at 4k while using a 3080 (but now on their older suite, so games tested differ). Yes, lesser values, but those show a tendency: the stronger the card (and people interested in this thread showed with 1080, 4070, 7900XT and 7900XTX cards) the bigger the difference it'll make. And that's only looking at the AVERAGE framerates. X3D also shines at raising the MINIMUM fps bar.