Again, if you really think that you can improve or have improved on the Klipsch speakers how come they haven't just switched over to your stuff? Or got Danny to work for them?
Its clear as day its improved, the measurements show that unless you like the sound that colored but even if you did, everything else the crossover is doing in relation to phase and timing is objectively poor.
By
"your stuff" you mean better crossover components in general I guess? That should be obvious, but the reason is because they are expensive and Klipsch like any other manufacture owned by a large parent company is motivated by profits and the crossover is easiest place to cut costs.
I Made crossovers in the 80's in high school electronics class. I may not be a audio expert but I do know a bit about electronics. Oh, I also MADE my own speakers in that class as well they were sweet 150W HAND wound by my own hands the coil and even made a new cone for them. Yeah, I do know a bit of what I am talking about. even if you want to use that Audiophile lingo to try and convince me I am wrong.
You can do all kinds of things with your own hands but without proper tools and fundamental understanding of key principals it dosn't make much sense. Building a crude transducer by hand is a science experiment, its interesting but has no practical application, sort of like like trying to
build your own toaster from scratch. And everything being discussed here is basic fundamentals of speaker design not "audiophile lingo", you would only call it that if you didn't understand it and the whole point of this thread was to be a learning experience.
Its not the 80s anymore either. Anyone can learn this, play the simulation software and pickup a calibrated mic and trail and error and get to decent performing / sound speaker.
So, I present to you this challenge, make a $60 dollar Sony speaker sound as good as my KD-51M And I will be SOLD I will trash all my crossovers and buy up all Danny can make for my speakers I have 6 pair of Klipsch speakers. Till then I am going to remain a sceptic.
Ummm... no. The information is (or was) there for anyone to do with what they want. There isn't anything to prove, the measurements of the original crossover and the new one speak for themselves, if you are happy with what you have leave them be.
And PS I am a fanboy I always have been I have a very long history here as a fanboy. AMD's #1 FANBOY HERE and Klipsch as well as DENON!
Do not hate me because I have great equipment, Hate the Equipment you have that is not that great..
Most people fanboy to some extent but you are getting defensive about to the point you where can't have a rational conversation.
Its not about who's shit is better. All the speakers I have are DIY and built by myself sometimes with the help of others so you wouldn't even know what they are. I've seen the measurements and I've listened to enough stuff to know how great they are or aren't in respect to commercial stuff.
Yes, Danny is really good at his work a perfectionist and I would never take that away from him. I just can't see dropping 2K on a speaker and then having to put another 500 into it to make it better. maybe take some old ones and give them new life but just buy new better ones?
I am just like you, if it takes half as much to fix something new with better parts then just buy a better or new product.
It's like taking a v6 and putting all new parts and aftermarket gear, you still have the core product under it all.
Danny goes for neutrality. Not everyone but most people prefer that type of response after the
excitement of a boost top end or bottom wares off. Most of what he is doing with this particular speaker though is fixing the phase and timing relationship which is broken with the original 600M, nobody we prefer that aspect the way it is stock vs the "fixed" version.
The parts are higher-end because if you are hand building your own crossover your time is worth something too. The parts are not extreme by any means and are exactly the same thing you see the big brands use in their higher-end lines. Klipsch could probably get the same quality parts GR uses for 10-20% less but the MSRP of the speaker would be double.
yes and Panasonic/Matsushita sold h-fi audio equipment & speakers under a name that bespeaks power, wealth, and sexiness...Technics
Panasonic / Technics was and is legit,
SU-G700,
C600.
