Which is better for improving videos - GTX 1080 ti x RTX 3060 12G

[Painter358]

Friends, In my case, I need to buy a video card that is not exactly for games or games as you like, but is for rendering videos using the HITPAW VIDEO ENHANCER program (https://www.hitpaw.net/br/hitpaw-video-enhancer. html?linksource=home ) which is used to improve VHS images and other videos with noise. As you can see, using the program, it requires 100% of the GPU and I knew that the best way to have this type of AI program is the largest number of shaders and bus width . For what I can spend, I found two matching cards: - GTX 1080 ti - https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1080-ti.c2877 -RTX 3060 12G - https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3060-12-gb.c3682 The 1080 ti has a higher bandwidth and slightly higher TMU and RoPs However, the 3060 is newer in technology, and I don't know if it would be better than the 1080 Ti. So dear friends, if you know of any of these AI enhancer programs and can recommend them to me, I would appreciate it, because as I mentioned, they are not for games and I don't have the slightest knowledge about cards, besides being 64 years old. If you can give your opinion, thank you.

Oswaldo
Brazil

 

[lexluthermiester]

This is an easy choice, the 3060 12GB. While the 1080ti performs bit better in many tasks, it does not have the newest enhancements to NVenc which will be very helpful in the tasks you've stated. It's only marginally better in gaming and does not have raytracing.

The 3060 12GB is my vote. However, if you can afford the extra $220($1090 Brasil Real), then the RTX 4070 12GB would be a FAR better choice and would render greatly superior performance for what you are doing.

BTW, Welcome to TPU!

 

[Painter358]

This is an easy choice, the 3060 12GB. While the 1080ti performs bit better in many tasks, it does not have the newest enhancements to NVenc which will be very helpful in the tasks you've stated. It's only marginally better in gaming and does not have raytracing.

The 3060 12GB is my vote. However, if you can afford the extra $220($1090 Brasil Real), then the RTX 4070 12GB would be a FAR better choice and would render greatly superior performance for what you are doing.

BTW, Welcome to TPU!

Friend

lexluthermiester​

I'm surprised to know that you know about the misadventures of living in a trash-country in South America, where our currency is worth 5 times less than the world standard, and here no one has done anything to improve that for many years.
I, unfortunately, belong to the poorest social class, and at the moment I can't think about buying a video card with greater capacity.
So, let's see what happens with your recommendation (RTX 3060) and maybe in the future think of something better.
I thank you for your prompt response to my query.
Thanks

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'm surprised to know that you know about the misadventures of living in a trash-country in South America

? I've been to Brasil, I would never call it a "trash-country". No place is perfect, and Brasil has many charms!

I, unfortunately, belong to the poorest social class, and at the moment I can't think about buying a video card with greater capacity.

Fair enough, no judgements here. You will be delighted with the performance you get from a 3060 12GB! Especially if you're running a 720p or 1080p display. The RTX 3060 is considered by many to be a "sweet-spot" card as it's performance well out matches it's price point.

Enjoy!

 

[Painter358]

Yes, it's just to improve old family videos and some others that I found on the WEB, nothing professional.
I never thought about going beyond 720p or at most 1080p. It would be too good
The bad thing about these AI programs is that you need to have a very powerful machine or graphics card, otherwise it takes days to transform a short video.

----------------

Friend LEX, I thank you for the good words about this "country" of mine, but I believe that you visited it as a tourist, you would need to live here for a few years to see the barbarities that the "misgovernants" manage to do to the local population, especially to the honest.
Without going too far, in the last presidential election, they managed to remove a former president who was in prison for stealing everything he could, along with his gang, and put him back in the presidency, where he is doing a terrible government, tearing down everything he had. the previous president managed to do it, during the "Chinese plague" of years ago.
Just a topic to think about whether or not this is... a "trash-country".
Friend, be happy, and thank you for recommending the sign.

 

[wNotyarD]

Yes, it's just to improve old family videos and some others that I found on the WEB, nothing professional.
I never thought about going beyond 720p or at most 1080p. It would be too good
The bad thing about these AI programs is that you need to have a very powerful machine or graphics card, otherwise it takes days to transform a short video.

If you want to leverage "AI power" for anything you want to do, get the 3060. No brainer.
It has specialized number crunching hardware for that, which the 1080 Ti doesn't.

 

[Painter358]

Thanks wNOTYARD

 

[droopyRO]

Yes, it's just to improve old family videos and some others that I found on the WEB, nothing professional.

I was not impressed with what the AI enhancement has done to old 144p 240p 360p videos i had. Might want to test it out before making a purchase.

 

[Dragaan]

I was not impressed with what the AI enhancement has done to old 144p 240p 360p videos i had. Might want to test it out before making a purchase.

I know nothing about this, but I wonder if there aren't specilized online/cloud services where you can upload your video and it would use the hardware on their end to do the work? If that's the ONLY thing the card is for then maybe, if such services exist and aren't overly expensive, maybe the best course is to skip the card altogether and do it this way? (again, I'm basically just thinking outloud here and I don't actually have any knowledge in this area so maybe this is useless)

But I do want to chime in and say that the 3060 would absolutely be the way to go if it's an application that can actually utilize the tensor cores or any of the other newer features that the 3060 has that the 1080 ti does not. 1080 ti is just a great (old) card for gaming - that's all.

Those of you who already responded and know more about this subject than I do - what about one of the newer Intel cards? How do they perform in non-gaming AI tasks like this? (assuming it's not an app that's designed to work better on nvidia hardware)

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
1080ti is way to old to waste on and likely rode hard and put up sweaty hehe
I would question any used card and treat it like a miner had it and likely pass unless new.

 

[QuietBob]

HitPaw Video Enhancer does not take advantage of GPU acceleration for AI processing. Here are the app's requirements:

The software should be able to utilize the video card's hardware encoder when transcoding between formats, though:

HitPaw Video Enhancer Tech Specs: Recommended Systems, Supported Formats

Check the system requirements of installing HitPaw Video Enhancer, and check the full list of supported input and out formats, software versions.

www.hitpaw.com

@Painter358
What is your current PC's specification? Chances are it's already capable of restoring videos using this app.

 

[Painter358]

HitPaw Video Enhancer does not take advantage of GPU acceleration for AI processing. Here are the app's requirements:

View attachment 337654

The software should be able to utilize the video card's hardware encoder when transcoding between formats, though:

View attachment 337657

HitPaw Video Enhancer Tech Specs: Recommended Systems, Supported Formats

Check the system requirements of installing HitPaw Video Enhancer, and check the full list of supported input and out formats, software versions.

www.hitpaw.com

@Painter358
What is your current PC's specification? Chances are it's already capable of restoring videos using this app.

QUIETBOB,
From the tests I did with HitPaw and a short video, the GPU usage was at 100% and the CPU at around 30-40%
I used a GTX 1060 / i7 4070 / 16G RAM
From then on I saw that most of the work is done by the GPU.
Thank you for the answer

Sirs,
As an opportunity arose to purchase graphics cards, I'll ask you again:

-RTX 3060 12G -- https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/GeForce-RTX-3060-12-gb.c3682


-RTX 3060 Ti 8G -- https://www-techpowerup-com.translate.goog/gpu-specs/GeForce-RTX-3060-ti.c3681?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=pt&_x_tr_hl=pt-BR

Which would be more advantageous when it comes to working with Video with AI or is there not much difference between the two?

If you can clear up this doubt further, I would be grateful.

 

[Waldorf]

@Painter358
no need for a new card or even AI.
most video editing suits will have noise/shake removal and upscaling (resolution) coming with it,
and use the combined power of cpu+gpu to speed up encoding.

i was using PowerDirector ,until they decided to have per-month plans,
rather than buying version.

 

[Calenhad]

HitPaw Video Enhancer does not take advantage of GPU acceleration for AI processing. Here are the app's requirements:

View attachment 337654

The software should be able to utilize the video card's hardware encoder when transcoding between formats, though:

View attachment 337657

HitPaw Video Enhancer Tech Specs: Recommended Systems, Supported Formats

Check the system requirements of installing HitPaw Video Enhancer, and check the full list of supported input and out formats, software versions.

www.hitpaw.com

@Painter358
What is your current PC's specification? Chances are it's already capable of restoring videos using this app.

You are incorrect though. Hitpaw Video Enhancer does support GPU acceleration according to their English website.

QUIETBOB,
From the tests I did with HitPaw and a short video, the GPU usage was at 100% and the CPU at around 30-40%
I used a GTX 1060 / i7 4070 / 16G RAM
From then on I saw that most of the work is done by the GPU.
Thank you for the answer

Sirs,
As an opportunity arose to purchase graphics cards, I'll ask you again:

-RTX 3060 12G -- https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/GeForce-RTX-3060-12-gb.c3682


-RTX 3060 Ti 8G -- https://www-techpowerup-com.translate.goog/gpu-specs/GeForce-RTX-3060-ti.c3681?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=pt&_x_tr_hl=pt-BR

Which would be more advantageous when it comes to working with Video with AI or is there not much difference between the two?

If you can clear up this doubt further, I would be grateful.

Minus the difference in memory size, the 3060ti is better in every way. Meaning that unless the GPU acceleration need more than 8GB vram, the 3060ti will be the better choice.

But I can't answer how much vram this product can use.

Personally I would choose the 3060ti if the price is similar.

 

[Keullo-e]

Also in games, the 3060 is better these days as they don't have much optimizations for older cards.

 

[QuietBob]

From the tests I did with HitPaw and a short video, the GPU usage was at 100% and the CPU at around 30-40%
I used a GTX 1060 / i7 4070 / 16G RAM
From then on I saw that most of the work is done by the GPU.

That doesn't seem to be the case in my testing. Practically all video processing in this app is being handled by the CPU. Apart from the initial generation of the preview window, the video card is barely utilized. GPU usage will very briefly peak at times, but otherwise it stays very low. The card I'm testing with is between the RTX3060 and RTX3060Ti in performance:

I don't think a faster video card will meaningfully improve your experience with this app. It seems to prefer a fast single thread of the CPU instead, and load 4 of them simultaneously when processing a video.

Is your current processor an i7-4770? How many seconds per frame do you get with this sample video on default settings? When you start the app, just click the video thumbnail at the bottom left, and then preview.

You are incorrect though. Hitpaw Video Enhancer does support GPU acceleration according to their English website.

As you can see from the above screenshot, it certainly isn't used for "AI video processing", which was my initial statement. By "GPU acceleration" HitPaw assume the presence of a hardware encoder in the GPU:

About HitPaw Video Converter GPU Acceleration

This page tells you what is GPU and its functions to fast convert video, convert audio, and edit the videos in HitPaw Video Converter.

www.hitpaw.com

 

[Waldorf]

@QuietBob
"faster" has nothing to do with it, but "newer".
virtually any new gen gets a different en/decoding chips, so short of exceptions (maybe some "3040gt with 1gb ram"),
a 30xx will be faster than any 10xx or 20xx.

ignoring that gpu utilization does NOT equal "no hw acc".

depends how they utilize the gpu.
there is a difference between using built in enc-chip, vs using the gpu (as a calculator).

i just "edited" a 2GB/2H movie file (cut start/end), and it took +1 minute to re-code,
with gpu clock going from 300-600 MHz before encoding started, to above 2GHz and staying there until
the app finished processing, so yes, hw acc is working fine,

 

[QuietBob]

a 30xx will be faster than any 10xx or 20xx

I'm not debating whether a newer gen GPU has a more efficient video encoder/decoder. They do. Rather, I'm trying to help the OP make the best use of his money.

In the HitPaw app that the OP uses the most time-consuming task seems to be the actual processing of the video. And here the ST CPU performance is the bottleneck, not the video card.

 

[wNotyarD]

@QuietBob when you did your tests, did you enable GPU acceleration?

 

[Dr. Dro]

What's your budget (in Real?) KaBuM! currently has a Galax RTX 4060 for 1739, and with that you get Ada NVENC(!), which is simply going to shine in your workload. It's not the dual-engine NVENC (that's only supported on the more expensive cards), but it will still be a pretty good option for video processing.

If you need some recommendations for trustworthy shops, stick to KaBuM!, Pichau, TerabyteShop and Patoloco. They're all great and I buy from them all regularly.

 

[QuietBob]

@QuietBob when you did your tests, did you enable GPU acceleration?

The app doesn't have a settings menu, but looking at the logs a "GPU mode" was enabled.

 

[Waldorf]

@QuietBob
?
so stating that the 30xx will be better than the 10xx, for what he wants to use it outside of gaming, is not helping?
right.

ST CPU perf is more or less irrelevant (as OP wants a new gpu, not a new cpu (mb/ram)),
while the difference for video processing(outside AI) between 10xx and the 30xx series IS noticeable EITHER way,
as the 3 series has a newer chip for that.


@Painter358[/USER]
if you will only use AI features, no pgu upgrade will make much of a difference,
but if you use the "converter"/other features/other apps from them etc,
the 3060 will be the better choice, unless the 1080 is really, really cheap, coming from a good friend/family,
so you know it wasnt mined/abused.

 

[Painter358]

@QuietBob quando você fez seus testes, você ativou a atualização de GPU?

Yves.
Com CPU é mais, mais devagar
Eu usei uma GTX 1060