Windows alternative coming?

A Computer Guy · Feb 15, 2024

Bill_Bright said:
You say that like a criticism. That is exactly what Microsoft should do - that is, they need to keep watch of any potentially competing product. Just as Intel should do with AMD and AMD with Intel. Ford with GM. Android with Apple. NASA with Roscosmos and CNSA.

It was actually meant to be a bit humorous considering the conversation revolves around AI. I hate to have to explain this but the "...Microsoft popups be like “I'm your huckleberry”...” was meant to convey the thought the AI is listening to your conversation with others about alternatives and it takes autonomous action by popping up a window as a nod to what your preference should be. Part of the humor in that is an appearance of an act of self-preservation on the part of the Microsoft AI trying to algorithm your behavior (staying with Windows) via an appealing cultural pop reference. Another aspect of the humor is normally we might think of AI as something that needs to be trained but from another perspective you might find that it's actually training you.

ThrashZone · Feb 15, 2024

dgianstefani said:
I predict zero chance of a 4th major player in the PC OS field.

Come on man steam is trying to make something useful out of linux hehe

Onasi · Feb 15, 2024

ThrashZone said:
Come on man steam is trying to make something useful out of linux hehe

SteamOS is entirely built around gaming. It’s not particularly suited to being an all around desktop system, even though it has desktop mode. And Valve can’t solve the main issue - non-gaming software availability.

dgianstefani · Feb 15, 2024

Even if it does, steamOS still counts as Linux.

It's not new. Just Steam skinned with Wine and Proton on a popular platform.

mechtech · Feb 16, 2024

dgianstefani said:
I predict zero chance of a 4th major player in the PC OS field.

A 4th?

For me, a PC OS would be an OS compatible with any/all hardware to the same degree as windows. Toss in the OS, and it's up and running in 20 minutes with no further user input to be fully operational. Also major to me would be all relatively close market share.

So windows and a few distros of Linux??

c2DDragon · Feb 16, 2024

Bill_Bright said:
Competes? Absolutely. Knocks out? No way. That would be bad!

Competition is good for everyone - especially us consumers. Think what would happen if AMD finally took Intel out of the game. AMD would essentially have no competition. They would have no reason to invest in innovations. They would have no reason to keep prices competitive.

We need AMD to keep nipping at the heels of Intel and for Intel to keep looking over their shoulders.

History has shown us over and over again that monopolies are never good for consumers - even those highly regulation (like utility companies).

You say that like a criticism. That is exactly what Microsoft should do - that is, they need to keep watch of any potentially competing product. Just as Intel should do with AMD and AMD with Intel. Ford with GM. Android with Apple. NASA with Roscosmos and CNSA.

Intel had to pay more than 1 Billion dollars (1,25B$ if I read right) to AMD in an antitrust settlement in 2009 because AMD was about to drown in 2004 so they reacted. I think AMD is far from eating Intel, maybe in 100 years, who knows.

Of course competition is good but here we have Microsoft, living a dream with an OS based on DOS against...Linux which is everything a geek can do or nothing anybody can dream it could do, just a non user friendly OS. A new competitor now ? It's no use.

For your example we have Intel, a multibillion dollars company versus AMD... I mean, we know there is no real competition and they know it too, the only consumers they have to compete each other for are servers-wise and there is nVidia too there. I guess AMD or Intel don't care much if somebody buys the last gaming processor, it's just a display case I think.

Dr. Dro · Feb 16, 2024

Divide Overflow said:
IBM's OS/2 says hello!

Since that it's been known as eComStation and eventually, ArcaOS which is a maintained OS/2-compatible OS and its market share relevance is so large that you didn't even remember of it!

Windows clones such as ReactOS, or even alternative systems like Haiku will never have the relevance of the "big three" OSes, even with Windows being on the decline. It seems Apple has captured most of Microsoft's lost market share, indicating that few people ever really dumped Windows for Linux, it didn't happen in any meaningful scale.

wheresmycar · Feb 16, 2024

67Elco said:
Windows may be given a run for its money by a new AI-based operating system

A Hong Kong-based company is working on a new artificial intelligence-based operating system that is set to go head-to-head against Windows.

www.tweaktown.com

NO THANKS!!

What if i'm gaming and the AI has a flash moment "mmm this looks like fun" and takes over. Discharged with no prior notice - I'll be dead in a week.

mtosev · Feb 16, 2024

Anyone heard about arcaOS? It's the successor to OS/2.

Bill_Bright · Feb 16, 2024

c2DDragon said:
I mean, we know there is no real competition and they know it too

Well, of course that is not true. It really is necessary to take a few seconds to do a little homework to verify facts before making clearly inaccurate, and frankly, silly claims. Simply put, you don't know what you are talking about.

That is meant as an observation and not a personal criticism. My apologies for I do realize how it sounds.

Intel market cap today: $184.36 Billion
AMD market cap today: $283.73 Billion

And the real surprise for many:

nVIDIA market cap today: $1.823 Trillion - with a "T".

The point (besides doing our homework before posting) is Intel knows very well that AMD is a strong and very "real" competitor. And more importantly, Intel knows from past experience if they sit on their thumbs and laurels and bask in their own glory, AMD will quickly leapfrog over them and then it will take years to catch up and leapfrog back.

So again, that competition keeps both AMD and Intel innovating, and that is great for us consumers.

Disclaimer: I have been buying $50 of Intel stock in a "DRIP" every month since Nov 1995. And I have mutual funds in my IRA that hold AMD and nVIDIA stock too. This is one, of several, markets I like to keep watch over. BTW, if you are not investing today for your golden years, setting up a DRIP is an excellent way to get started. Highly recommended. And if you pay by allotment as I do, you never see the money so you never miss it!

SchumannFrequency · Apr 3, 2024

Dr. Dro said:
Windows clones such as ReactOS, or even alternative systems like Haiku will never have the relevance of the "big three" OSes, even with Windows being on the decline. It seems Apple has captured most of Microsoft's lost market share, indicating that few people ever really dumped Windows for Linux, it didn't happen in any meaningful scale.

Isn't that also because ReactOS doesn't work 100% perfectly with all .exe or .msi installers?

If ReactOS could run any Windows 10/11 app perfectly, and with as much ease, then I don't see why ReactOS wouldn't take a lot of market share from Windows.

Right now ReactOS doesn't have all the functionality that Windows has.

ReactOS also has the looks of Windows 95, while people are no longer used to those looks.

I'm pretty sure if you give ReactOS modern looks and a user interface similar to Windows 11, with good app compatibility, Windows will definitely lose a lot of market share.

Vayra86 · Apr 3, 2024

67Elco said:
I'm all for anything that competes or knocks out Microsoft...

Except when its chinese or AI driven

Dr. Dro · Apr 3, 2024

SchumannFrequency said:
Isn't that also because ReactOS doesn't work 100% perfectly with all .exe or .msi installers?

If ReactOS could run any Windows 10/11 app perfectly, and with as much ease, then I don't see why ReactOS wouldn't take a lot of market share from Windows.

Right now ReactOS doesn't have all the functionality that Windows has.

ReactOS also has the looks of Windows 95, while people are no longer used to those looks.

I'm pretty sure if you give ReactOS modern looks and a user interface similar to Windows 11, with good app compatibility, Windows will definitely lose a lot of market share.

And it'll likely never have... it's already struggling for 100% compatibility with Windows 2003, anyway.

GerKNG · Apr 3, 2024

Something something. ... AI
100% never gets on my rig.

bonehead123 · Apr 3, 2024

The REAL problem (aside from drivers etc) with any potential OS competitor is muscle memory...

The world as we know it is soooo used to doing things the windows/mac/unix way, that it will be EXTREMELY difficult for any new OS to gain traction unless it uses a lot of the same conventions/processes/ideas as the big 3....

The majority of the population does NOT like change, which is often the single biggest challenge in any human venture....it is a UBER-MAJOR undertaking to try to convince a large swath of people that what you are offering is actually better, more efficient, more effective, and more importantly, easy to learn/use....otherwise you're just twiddling your thumbs

DaemonForce · Apr 3, 2024

Dr. Dro said:
And it'll likely never have... it's already struggling for 100% compatibility with Windows 2003, anyway.

What does this even mean? I used to work on odds and ends of ReactOS back in the day. Did something happen to it? Seemed okay to me but I was parallel booting Server 2003 PE to test stuff.

bonehead123 said:
The majority of the population does NOT like change, which is often the single biggest challenge in any human venture....it is a UBER-MAJOR undertaking to try to convince a large swath of people that what you are offering is actually better, more efficient, more effective, and more importantly, easy to learn/use....otherwise you're just twiddling your thumbs

Nah, I like having something new at times. OS/2 was fun but ultimately I couldn't find a proper use for it. Knoppix and DSL were extremely important to me when I first had them and then I got into the linux side of things at a time where stuff was probably just better made. ESXi was also a lot of fun. Dropped all of it when Win7 became the norm and then I retreated to Server 2008 for about a decade because I couldn't navigate.

....

The day I figure out how to install SteamOS to this desktop, it's over.
I'll probably only need a 16GB sata SSD to make it happen too. Very tempting.

SchumannFrequency · Apr 4, 2024

DaemonForce said:
The day I figure out how to install SteamOS to this desktop, it's over.
I'll probably only need a 16GB sata SSD to make it happen too. Very tempting.

ChimeraOS may be more useful than SteamOS in some areas.

Home page: https://chimeraos.org/

Use Chimera OS to Turn Your PC Into a Steam Deck

Chimera OS is a sleek gaming-focused Linux distro similar to SteamOS. Learn how you can install this powerful system on your machine today.

www.maketecheasier.com

natr0n · Apr 4, 2024

I like playing with OS's and dont mind lenovo.

I got an aio pc from them that even can be used as a stand alone monitor. That function won me over.

Massdeth · Apr 4, 2024

GerKNG said:
Something something. ... AI
100% never gets on my rig.

AMEN! I am fully against AI. Humans are waaayyy too ego driven, ignorant and full of hubris to wield something as dangerous as a actual AI, especially in a OS form.. If we actually achieve a real AI you can pretty much mark the days till the end of civilization. Machine automation im all for though, but for the AI Prophets thats not good enough.

Bill_Bright · Apr 4, 2024

Massdeth said:
Humans are waaayyy too ego driven, ignorant and full of hubris to wield something as dangerous as a actual AI,

Isn't that counter to the actual problem? That is, the fear of AI is that it will become sentient and it is the AI itself that will wield AI. :kookoo:

VulkanBros · Apr 4, 2024

Bring back BeOS

Massdeth · Apr 5, 2024

Bill_Bright said:
Isn't that counter to the actual problem? That is, the fear of AI is that it will become sentient and it is the AI itself that will wield AI.

LOL, thats pretty good and i suppose entirely possible, which is even more frightening that humans, as short sighted as we are, even want to open that box, no?

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