DarthCyclonisYou can't compair the GTX275 single to the dual GTX295. The GTX295 is essentially two 275 chips on on PCB. However Nvidia clocked each core down to the GTX260 clocks to control heat and power consumption. Trust me I know. I own one. If I overclock back to 275 levels or above the card starts to artifact after some intense gaming.

Not only WILL the power consumption be higher then the ATI equivelent. The performance will drop off as well. There is no way the are putting two 480's on one PCB. They would have a hard time with cooling with two 470's. and even then they would have to clock them down. Then would still be higher than a 5970 for power consumption.

So with the current architecture a dual GPU card from Nvidia could not compete with the 5970 right now. It's just a fact. It would be to expensive, too hot and draw way too much and most likley render a lower performance then two 480's in SLI.

Your right it's all speculation and we will not know until one is made. But I just can't logically see one until we see a die shrink.

As far as your comment about overclocking the GTX 295, it is from my experience that they overclock very well. I purchased mine on 01/09/09 ($538.00 from the egg) and had a lot of fun pushing it to higher levels! Ran benches as well as played many games. Did not have any problem with artifacting or any other problems.
Check out this thread. It is only about overclocking and benching the GTX 295 but it was fun:
forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=89438&highlight=gtx+295

runnin17:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

Do a google search before you make yourself look ridiculous like that. :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

What do you mean? I think you didnt understand my post. What i said was i'll get the GTX 4xx (probably GTX 495 or whatever they'll call it) if it crushes my 5970. :nutkick:

after two days the site full of release titles of GTX400 series

The second fastest and least energy-efficient poses with the fastest and most energy-efficient among the two. Now I didn't tell you which card is what. :D

One has one GPU, one has two.

I wouldn't care how many cylinders my car's engine has as long as it's more powerful and fuel-efficient than another car with lesser engine cylinders.

Well my post disregards the energy efficiency part and concentrates on the performance part. One of those is the most powerful DUAL-GPU solution on the planet. The other is the most powerful SINGLE-GPU solution, is it not?

Single GPU with what advantage, if it draws more power? People buy graphics cards, not GPUs.

Looking at thy heat sink and fan with so many heat pipes brings me to the conclusion Nvidia tried hard to keep these things as cool as possible which means they got to be running hot like hell. I personally don’t see much overclocking head room with these cards especially when it has a very high TDP of 250w when compare to HD 5870 with TDP of 185w. The GTX 480 is rumour to hit +300W when OC’ed, but this is not confirmed until we see testing done.

So until we see real Fermi testings I will hold my judgement until then. I like power savings and so far Fermi does not offer this.

nt300I personally don’t see much overclocking head room with these cards especially when it has a very high TDP of 250w.

Is 250W TDP very high? It is roughly 50W higher than a GTX 285. So a 25% increase in TDP up from the 285 for an unknown % faster than the 285. Well, have to see the final outcome when it hits us, but I don't think the power consumption figure sounds too unreasonable.

According to this fellow, the cards actually OC alright:
www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=249263

He is a CPU and GPU tester. He provides no specifics or proof, but someone's word is someone's word. We will have to wait and see.

I can't see myself buying into Fermi any time soon. I can't see it being anywhere before 6 months if ever. The initial release just looks too poorly designed and expensive. Of course I could be absolutely wrong. If so, I may buy into it sooner. Or I may never buy into it.

Hopefully in 6 months time Nvidia will have a properly functioning core with all its stream processors functioning and power consumption under control. Only time will tell.

Their initial release isn't designed for the mainstream user. At these prices what are they going to release to compete with the 5770? which is typically a $140-160 card with roughly 45-50% the performance of a $400 5870 at less than 50% the cost.

Are they going to produce a card with half the umph of a 480 at 35-40% the cost? I doubt it.

I don't understand how NV expects to drop these new cards into an already fortified ATI market with GPU's that have a good balance of heat/power/performance/price and availibility. Shouldn't they have more of an agressive/competitive approach as far as pricing?

I'm just totally floored by the thought of buying something at that price that seems to run hotter, draw more power and only perform slightly better... and it costs more money then what I can get from another company.

In less than a week I hope I can say to myself... $500 IS NOTHING, i'LL OFFER YOU $600 IF I CAN HAVE IT NOW!!

If not, then $499 is one hell of a squeeze and I will always wonder as to what NV employees have been smoking because I think they have lost their friggin minds on this one.

the only thing I can see that will make these cards worth the money is if everything we've heard about performance is totally false and the gtx 480 is like a 5870 and a 1/2.

Cant wait till they are released, at least then maybe the ati cars will come down in price lol

the cards have been pushed back to an April 6th release date? makes sense but will we be able to see benchmarks on the 26/27th? Since it's dropping at PAX its a paper launch right?

Well the 5970 has a TDP of nearly 300W but that doesn't stop it from overclocking like a speed daemon!

shevanelthe cards have been pushed back to an April 6th release date? makes sense but will we be able to see benchmarks on the 26/27th? Since it's dropping at PAX its a paper launch right?

From what i understand, reviews will be out on the 26th and mass availability will begin on the 6th

Finally.... i can see a Femi card :respect:... but I just ordered an ATI.... too late for me....

map01chFinally.... i can see a Femi card :respect:... but I just ordered an ATI.... too late for me....

dont be expecting an XFX high end fermi card any time soon or at all... :nutkick:
www.techpowerup.com/118821/XFX_Abandons_GeForce_GTX_400_Series.html

qwerty_leshdont be expecting an XFX high end fermi card any time soon or at all... :nutkick:
www.techpowerup.com/118821/XFX_Abandons_GeForce_GTX_400_Series.html

Still too late for me! I have no budget to buy 470 or 480 :cry:

Im not confident that tessellation is going to be as much of a critical feature as the green team make it out to be, I could end up eating those words, however I think that anyone who jumped on the Cypress bandwagon, made a great choice (low wattage, low heat, high performance = win).

All my previous cards were Nv since after the Radion 9xxx series :)

Dont cry too quickly buddy :> :toast: