fevgatosThe 25% perfromance per watt metric refers to same wattage. Dont expect zen 4 to be more efficient than zen 3,you will be dissapointed. They will be less efficient out of the box.

fevgatosThe 25% perfromance per watt metric refers to same wattage. Dont expect zen 4 to be more efficient than zen 3,you will be dissapointed. They will be less efficient out of the box.

HenrySomeonePrecisely! That is at zen3 TDP, but we know zen4 will raise that by 65% and I won't be surprised if the only competitive chip in that regard will be 7950x, maybe to some extent 7900x (but only against 13700k), lower ones though - no way, they will simply have too great of a core deficit (what a thing to be true for the "moar coars" team, huh?) against i5s and i7s.

ratirtI expect Zen4 to be as efficient as Zen3 which is a very efficient CPU to be honest. It says (at least how I understand it) same wattage 25% more performance. Which in my opinion if this turns out to be true is a very great result.

HenrySomeonePrecisely! That is at zen3 TDP, but we know zen4 will raise that by 65% and I won't be surprised if the only competitive chip in that regard will be 7950x, maybe to some extent 7900x (but only against 13700k), lower ones though - no way, they will simply have too great of a core deficit (what a thing to be true for the "moar coars" team, huh?) against i5s and i7s.

ratirtI would not be so sure about the lower tier wont compete but time will tell. there will be ecore deficit not pcore. If AMD cores are fast enough (31% faster than zen3) these stand a huge change of staying competitive with 13600K if we consider 7600x even if the latter one does not have ecores. I of course advise to wait and see instead of jumping into conclusions.

fevgatosYeah it's a given that only 7950x and 7900x will compete in mt performance. The rest of the lineup will be competing with alderlake still.


Exactly, it means same wattage 25% more performance. But since tdp goes up, efficiency goes down. Most likely every cpu will be less efficient than its predecessors out of the box.

Of course for me its irrelevant, since I only care about efficiency at same wattage (thats why I consider alderlake insanely efficient), but people here seem to care only about out of the box, in which case - bad news, zen 4 will be a power hog compared to zen 3

ratirtWell we have a race here now and the credit goes to Intel for that. How efficient these CPUs will be from both camps. I suggest to wait for the reviews. What I know for sure today is, the competition will be fears. Both companies are pulling all the stops.

Dirt ChipI like the smell of real competition in the morning.

HenrySomeoneSo you're conveniently ignoring the line about 15% single thread uplift just below? Are you saying that performance numbers also don't answer anything about, well, performance? :D

ratirtWell we have a race here now and the credit goes to Intel for that. How efficient these CPUs will be from both camps. I suggest to wait for the reviews. What I know for sure today is, the competition will be fears. Both companies are pulling all the stops.

ratirtWell we have a race here now and the credit goes to Intel for that. How efficient these CPUs will be from both camps. I suggest to wait for the reviews. What I know for sure today is, the competition will be fears. Both companies are pulling all the stops.

ratirtI use it instead of coffee. It has a kick, wakes me up in the morning and is healthy :p

ThrashZoneHi,
Thought it was amd 5k series that was pushing intel buttons forward.

So thanks should go to amd.

Vayra86Problem: it doesnt come at the push of a button when you need it most