Tuesday, November 1st 2022

AMD Refutes Reports of Ryzen 7000 Performance Inconsistencies Between Windows 11 and Windows 10

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AMD on Monday issued a statement refuting reports of performance deltas noticed for its Ryzen 7000-series "Zen 4" desktop processors observed between Windows 11 and Windows 10 operating systems when gaming. The company said that while it is investigating the reports, it has not been able to reproduce these performance deltas, and maintains that Ryzen 7000 series should perform consistently between both operating systems. Architecturally, "Zen 4" isn't different from "Zen 3" with the exception of its AVX-512 ISA that even Windows 10 supports. Windows 10 has awareness for "Zen 4" multi-core topology since it isn't any different from Ryzen 5000 "Vermeer." AMD stated that it continues to work with game developers to ensure their titles are optimized for Ryzen processors.
The statement from AMD on the matter follows.

We have been made aware of reports of unexpected performance deltas in certain games with AMD Ryzen desktop processors as well as performance variances between Windows 11 and Windows 10 in certain game titles. We are currently investigating but based on testing to date have not observed a material difference in game performance between OS versions across a variety of operating scenarios and game titles.

Many factors affect gaming performance, including the game engine, CPU architecture, GPU selection and memory choices. As new architectures enter the market, we often observe performance anomalies which must be addressed by the component vendor or the game publisher. This is not a new phenomenon nor is it unexpected.

As we have done since the introduction of Ryzen, when these performance anomalies are brought to light we will use them to steer our partner engagements with game developers and ecosystem hardware partners to implement optimizations that eliminate the variations.
Source: AMD

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42 Comments on AMD Refutes Reports of Ryzen 7000 Performance Inconsistencies Between Windows 11 and Windows 10

#1
mb194dc
Yes they'll probably figure out it effects Zen 3 and Zen 4... Turning off the second CCD might also improve performance on both 10 and 11...

Likely these bugs jus get noticed now as people paying more attention due to the new launch.
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#2
Dirt Chip
It's not a bug, it's a design choice.
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#3
ZoneDymo
catulitechupSadly but true:)
dont understand that last sentence: "our biggest shills wont buy it anyway"

are they trying to say that even their biggest shills wont buy it?
are they trying to say that you dont have to be worried waiting for the newer better stuff regards to supply as the biggest shills wont buy it anyway?

Why would the biggest shills, essentially the grandest of fanboys, not buy it?

its just such a confusing sentence...

and the self advertisement is poor form, not only is it pretty sad to be this proud of this that you feel the need to watermark it, it also kinda ruins the illusion and therefor joke.
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#4
ThrashZone
Hi,
To bad not more examples "sources" of what the issues are and less repeating what is already in the quote by amd.
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#6
catulitechup
ZoneDymodont understand that last sentence: "our biggest shills wont buy it anyway"

are they trying to say that even their biggest shills wont buy it?
are they trying to say that you dont have to be worried waiting for the newer better stuff regards to supply as the biggest shills wont buy it anyway?

Why would the biggest shills, essentially the grandest of fanboys, not buy it?

its just such a confusing sentence...

and the self advertisement is poor form, not only is it pretty sad to be this proud of this that you feel the need to watermark it, it also kinda ruins the illusion and therefor joke.
Is a joke from wccftech what more you can expect ?

Only date here is better ryzen comes later like 3DV variants and other things to fix in socket am5

:)
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#7
L'Eliminateur
catulitechupSadly but true



:)
Change that to intel and it also applies, change that to EVERY thing in tech and it will still be true....
moot point, there's always "something better(tm)" coming in X months.

I second the request for the source, i never saw anything even near what those "reports" say, it also doesn't say which OS the bias points
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#8
Unregistered
Windows 11 is still in beta as far as I'm concerned, even basic things like menus are not ready.
#9
ThrashZone
Hi,
Only issue I've read about is related to TPM activated and causing stuttering
Disable, and all is good.
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#10
L'Eliminateur
Xex360Windows 11 is still in beta as far as I'm concerned, even basic things like menus are not ready.
i'm sticking to windows 10 even past 2025 UNTIL MS can prove it can make better win10 by then (which win11 is not, leaving aside the low-level functionality/lack of performance, the UI is abhorrent, if i wanted a mac i would buy apple)
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#11
TheinsanegamerN
Xex360Windows 11 is still in beta as far as I'm concerned, even basic things like menus are not ready.
Windows 10 is still in beta. The menus are still split between old and new, MS is still breaking new features with every major update, from printing to file sharing ece. It's also objectively less stable, to this day we still hve issues with windows 10 devices going more then 2-3 weeks without suffering all sorts of weird driver related issues, a problem that never happened to us on windows 7.
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#12
Unregistered
L'Eliminateuri'm sticking to windows 10 even past 2025 UNTIL MS can prove it can make better win10 by then (which win11 is not, leaving aside the low-level functionality/lack of performance, the UI is abhorrent, if i wanted a mac i would buy apple)
Exactly, I tried the damn thing for few minutes before "upgrading" to Win10.
Same happened when I last used Mac, ironically Windows 10 was more stable on a MacBook pro.
#14
ARF
Xex360Windows 11 is still in beta as far as I'm concerned, even basic things like menus are not ready.
Yeah, for example right-click on the taskbar calls only one function - "Taskbar settings" which is indeed super stupid and inconvenient.
M$ is to blame.
Architecturally, "Zen 4" isn't different from "Zen 3"
This type of confession I had been waiting for. Good to know that there is no need to buy any Zen 4 :)
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#15
mechtech
Windows 10/11. Maybe that’s the problem?? ;)
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#16
P4-630
mechtechWindows 10/11. Maybe that’s the problem?? ;)
You should think that AMD has done a lot of testing on windows, windows gaming....No?
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#17
Psychoholic
Windows 11 22H2 has been running flawless on my 7950X system.
Seems to run as good maybe a little snappier than my 12900K rig sitting right next to it.
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#18
GunShot
Of course, AMD sneaky go-to punch, as usual, just sneakily attack others for its inferior shortcomings because the "Dr" is STILL not in or making any house-calls. Business as usual then for AMD, right? Nothing to see here. :sleep:
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#19
HD64G
Me thinks that the diff between Win10 & 11 exists and the cpu scheduler made mostly for the Intel's BIG.small arch made thinks difficult to work well for Zen4 also. Might need some updates more.
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#20
ARF
HD64GMe thinks that the diff between Win10 & 11 exists and the cpu scheduler made mostly for the Intel's BIG.small arch made thinks difficult to work well for Zen4 also. Might need some updates more.
I wonder about how and why Windows 11 made it to retail at all. M$ promises that Windows 10 will be the last Windows ever.
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#21
AusWolf
What performance delta are we talking about? Is it alleged to be faster on Win 10 or on Win 11? By how much? What games? Does it affect all Zen 4 CPUs? I feel like a little bit more info is needed.
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#22
Mac the Geek
TheinsanegamerNWindows 10 is still in beta. The menus are still split between old and new, MS is still breaking new features with every major update, from printing to file sharing ece. It's also objectively less stable, to this day we still hve issues with windows 10 devices going more then 2-3 weeks without suffering all sorts of weird driver related issues, a problem that never happened to us on windows 7.
My home theater PC still runs 7, because Microsoft abandoned Media Center in 10/11. One of these days, I'll have to bite the upgrade bullet, but my family will hang onto W7MC for as long as they can.
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#24
ARF
Mac the GeekMy home theater PC still runs 7, because Microsoft abandoned Media Center in 10/11. One of these days, I'll have to bite the upgrade bullet, but my family will hang onto W7MC for as long as they can.
Why do you need to touch something that works? Keep the Windows 7 system.
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#25
mechtech
P4-630You should think that AMD has done a lot of testing on windows, windows gaming....No?
Intel/AMD can’t stop MS from making constant changes to their OS though. I’ve seen a ton of weird stuff. When that happens typically the fastest fix is a wipe and fresh install. I’ve also noticed doing a factory reset in bios sometimes helps. Seems all these things and changes seem intertwined a lot more now then they used to be.
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