dgianstefaniThe main perk is if you can overclock since the cache is now under the cores. Being able to lock all cores to 5.4 would make me buy one.

Do you get that much performance anymore tho? What with AMD not leaving much performance on the table as is and letting the CPUs go as safely fast as your cooling can handle.

KlemcIt will become 10% less over 7800x3d when Win update will introduce a bug that auto-enables/forces RECALL !!!

It's now an NPU right ?

I haven't seen Recall myself so I can't say if there's a visible (visible with your own eyes, not with benchmark tools) performance loss. I can definitely see everyone here disabling it even if the performance loss was 0.001%, though mostly because it creeped everyone out :D

BwazeSo no magical uplift of productivity in new X3D CPUs as some have prophecised.

Not surprised there. These are not "productivity" CPUs, unless you have a productivity task that relies a lot on cache. Not denying they perform well enough for nearly all use cases, but the V-cache thing makes the X3D CPUs more of a gaming-oriented CPU.

Also, the 8-core 9800X3D vs the 14700K that has 20 cores isn't a fair comparison by Puget.

Nostras5.2GHz is a bit underwhelming. I imagined 5.4GHz would've been attainable, but I guess not?

AMD needs all processors of a certain SKU to be able to reach specific base clocks and boost clocks, and needs to be able to produce at least a certain amount of them, so this all lines up with the worst chiplets that AMD is willing to tolerate to use for the 9800X3D to reach that number of units produced. Anything that doesn't meet the criteria gets used in other SKUs.

Chrispy_I don't have any dual-CCD X3D chips, but isn't there now a driver to compartmentalize workloads between the 3D and non 3D parts of the CPU?

There's some software-side stuff but depends on Microsoft as well so... it's not optimal. Intel's Thread Director is hardware-based, for example, and actively participates in the scheduling process, at least according to what Intel says.

AFAIK, and let anyone else correct me if I'm wrong, AMD only passes the CPU information (number of cores/threads and little else) to the OS scheduler and lets the OS scheduler handle everything else, so the CPU doesn't really participate like it happens with Intel.

"Free Multiplier: Yes"
Yes.

But, is the voltage unlocked beyond 1.2v???

NostrasI absolutely do. With 5.2GHz I predict it will be about 7-8% faster,

AusWolfJudging only by clock speeds, I'd say about 5-7% better than the 7800X3D. We'll see.

No need to predict, that has been the rumor for a few days now, at least. I think MSI said something similar even earlier.
videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d-official-performance-leak-8-better-at-gaming-15-in-multi-threaded-apps-vs-7800x3d

KlemcSo x3d is synonym of smoothie !

Cherry please...

NostrasMmm, as a 7950X3D owner I'd make an argument that this thing is too much of a pain to be worth it. I tried making it work for over a year but just turned off the 8 fast cores. The loss is sometimes felt, but to not have to deal with scheduling issues and lots of annoying bugs makes my life a lot easier.

Software is far behind. I assume it's about windows which the majority uses.
I also paid the early adopter fee with my Ryzen 7600X and my asus X670 mainboard. I consider some stuff still broken.

-- People will buy the processors when they are in the high end gaming area. Regardless if they own a Ryzen 7800X3d and a NVIDIA 4090.
Some will ignore the early adopter fee with all the early day issues and high price.

I'm here hoping for a 7800X3D price cut after this release :peace:

NoneRainI'm here hoping for a 7800X3D price cut after this release :peace:

Pretty sure that's not gonna happen

I wonder how the benchmarks will change when the RTX 5090 releases and has/uses a PCIe 5.0 connector.

This X3D release, you must say 'thanks Ryzen 7 5800X3D' , no success 5800X3D no release 7800X3D, 9800X3D...

Chrispy_so 162W PPT?

It seems AMD are busy pushing voltages and clocks like Intel have been, which is a shame. One of the best things about most of the Ryzen 7s and below was the efficiency - which directly translated to quiet coolers and compatibility with SFF cases.

I'm sure 5.2GHz is nice, but realistically, 5.05GHz at 15% lower power draw would be nicer - I guess PBO+ is an option for anyone not using an A-series board, and realistically nobody should be using an A-series board with what is presumably this relatively high-end chip that shouldn't have it's PCIe lane bandwidth to the PEG slot halved unnecessarily.

Performance is what matters.

What I'm interested in is can you lock all cores like normal Ryzen chips I've zero interest in pbo.

NoneRainI'm here hoping for a 7800X3D price cut after this release :peace:

I was under the impression that AMD basically stopped making the 7800X3D to clear out the stock for the 9800X3D's arrival. Is that not the case? If they aren't making it any more, prices are not going to down.

NoneRainI'm here hoping for a 7800X3D price cut after this release :peace:

Probably not, the 9800x3d won't be cheap so the 7800x3d will be the second fastest gaming processor and might even see a price increase like its been the case recently, about a month ago it could be had for lower than 400 euros/dollars, now it reached the 500 mark. So unless the 9800x3d is priced at around 450€, no price cut I'm afraid.

Aaaaaand not that interested anymore. Chip power is rather high, and with the new structure I wouldn't doubt it would actually hit that TDP in normal loads. If this proposes similar perf/watt to the 7800X3D, no doubt it'll knock it out of the park by being able to guzzle those watts a little better, but I wanted to see an overall reduction in power on the new node. 95W stock TDP would have been a pretty number. Maybe if it's good for productivity in the same breath—and maybe if double-barrel X3D scales well—I'll be looking at a 9900X3D for my platform jump down the line. As is, I'd rather save my money and keep my eyes set on the slowly discounting Zen 4 chips.

Despite the lukewarm gains over the 7800X3D, this processor is gonna be one of the greats. Will be exciting to see all the builds with it. AVX-512 at a low power footprint and excellent gaming performance.

At normal use case resolutions of 1440p or higher and without a 4090, which has 0.5% market share, I doubt you'll be able to tell the difference with the 5800x3d or 7800x3d...

Some edge cases may notice the difference where people are using a 4090 at 1080p or less etc.

PixelTechI wonder how the benchmarks will change when the RTX 5090 releases and has/uses a PCIe 5.0 connector.

Probably not much if the RTX 4090's PCIE scaling is anything to go by

ShakalliaPerformance is what matters.

Isn't that attitude what just completely and utterly tanked Intel, both pushing their 13th/14th gen waaaaay too far in pursuit of performance, and also Arrow Lake-S which simply doesn't have it.

ShakalliaProbably not, the 9800x3d won't be cheap so the 7800x3d will be the second fastest gaming processor and might even see a price increase like its been the case recently, about a month ago it could be had for lower than 400 euros/dollars, now it reached the 500 mark. So unless the 9800x3d is priced at around 450€, no price cut I'm afraid.

I highly doubt the current price of the 7800X3D is a sign that the 9800X3D is even more expensive. (Yeah, launch price)

The 7800X3D isn't just more expensive now, it's also out of stock.

If anyone blames scalpers alone, let's not forget that the less popular 7900X3D has gone up in price as well, and is harder to find. All time low was an insane $280, now it's 600.

windwhirlProbably not much if the RTX 4090's PCIE scaling is anything to go by

For whatever reason, that scaling doesn't seem to change much even at much lower performance tiers.
PCIe 4.0 x8 or PCIe 3.0 x16 is close to optimal, but performance starts to drop of measurably if you slap an 8-lane card like a 6650XT into a PCIe 3.0 motherboard.

Chrispy_Isn't that attitude what just completely and utterly tanked Intel, both pushing their 13th/14th gen waaaaay too far in pursuit of performance, and also Arrow Lake-S which simply doesn't have it.

That's irrelevant as long as AMD doesn't do the same. Before we know for sure, it's just FUD.

Drinking beer and being an alcoholist isn't the same thing, necessarily. [Watt <--> Beer analogy]

People say the 5700X3D is a great deal.. but it is half a GHz slower than the 5800X3D, which is half a GHz slower than 7800X3D, and you cant overclock any of them, and by that I mean go above stock power limits, and use boost override.

This one should be good.. if not, I am waiting for Zen 6 lol :D

dgianstefaniThe main perk is if you can overclock since the cache is now under the cores. Being able to lock all cores to 5.4 would make me buy one.

I think that will be possible as the 5.2Ghz all core we are seeing listed is without PBO which usually adds another 200 mhz to the mix.

ChomiqLooks good, but thanks to 5800X3D I'm done with the CPU upgrades until I get a better GPU. That being said:

I'm not done that red dress is calling my name :)

freeagentPeople say the 5700X3D is a great deal.. but it is half a GHz slower than the 5800X3D, which is half a GHz slower than 7800X3D, and you cant overclock any of them, and by that I mean go above stock power limits, and use boost override.

If you're chasing Hz you aren't looking at either of them anyway.

If you're looking at FPS, it's hard to see the value of the 5800X3D anymore, and that half a GHz barely makes a difference.

SL2Saying that there's no point in upgrading from a 7800X3D is the kicking-at-an-open-door of the year lol, I see it over and over again in several threads.

I'm only comparing to the 7800X3D as the direct predecessor of this thing. I never looked at it from an upgrade point of view. In fact, I do think that single generational upgrades are a waste of money, as I've mentioned many times before in several other threads.

LittleBroI think they went with higher base clocks mainly to demonstrate how it will compare to 7800X3D in applications. Or maybe just to leave some OC headroom for gamers. There are rumors that 9800X3D has already been seen with 5.2+ GHz clocks (while running GeekBench). Maybe it will boost a bit higher when only few cores are in use. I've seen my 5600X boost up to 4.85 GHz after certain AGESA update but in the AMD specs there is boost clock "up to 4.6 GHz. Personally, I think that AMD indeed takes into account that everyone will go PBO and some will leverage unlocked multiplier.

Anyway, we won't really know whether these specs are true until 7th of November.

Sure, but like I said, base clock doesn't matter when the 7800X3D boosts to 4.8-5 GHz all day and night. You'll never see it at its base of 4.2, which could have been 4.6, or even 1.5, the end result would have been the same.