NVIDIA Responds to Radeon HD 4830 Launch, Claims GeForce 9800 GT is Better

[DrPepper]

i hate it when companies use propaganda to sell their products.. i know that creating a new and better product is harder but IMO do that or shut up!and that goes for all companies.. they should understand that we canot be fooled by such means.:shadedshu

Erm I think if companied didn't use propaganda (a.k.a advertising) They would have less sales. I'm sure ATI and AMD have done the same in the past but this doesn't make nvidia an evil company they are just trying to regain sales.

 

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

doesnt make them look evil but it makes them look dumb

 

[MadClown]

silly, just silly

 

[wolf]

i say fair call, sure ATi have released a new product, but they have a point, its worse than a 9800GT

you cringe all you want about their (awful) business practices of late, but their point is made.

 

[DrPepper]

i say fair call, sure ATi have released a new product, but they have a point, its worse than a 9800GT

you cringe all you want about their (awful) business practices of late, but their point is made.

Exactly according to those benchmarks the 9800GT does beat the 4 series. So that doesn't make them wrong, However if they had shown the benchmarks that the 4 series won then that would defeat the point in them promoting thier own products.

 

[wolf]

Exactly according to those benchmarks the 9800GT does beat the 4 series. So that doesn't make them wrong, However if they had shown the benchmarks that the 4 series won then that would defeat the point in them promoting thier own products.

dont get me wrong i agree its a really odd and crazy way of advertising that really doesnt leave them in a good light.

however i agree that given the figures and reviews, a 9800GT is slightly faster.

just like nvidia to point it out in a way thats "anything you can do i can do better, oh look ive already done it"

now its "oh crap, 4870's ..................... they're everywhere, game over man, game over"

they need to get the GTX350 on the way so bad, and lower prices on GTX2XX

 

[DrPepper]

dont get me wrong i agree its a really odd and crazy way of advertising that really doesnt leave them in a good light.

however i agree that given the figures and reviews, a 9800GT is slightly faster.

just like nvidia to point it out in a way thats "anything you can do i can do better, oh look ive already done it"

now its "oh crap, 4870's ..................... they're everywhere, game over man, game over"

they need to get the GTX350 on the way so bad, and lower prices on GTX2XX

Hmm I can't say that I disagree with their marketing techniques but I bet my balls if the gtx 280 was faster than the 4870X2 they wouldn't let anyone forget it.

 

[Mussels]

bwahahahah, nvidia epic fail. they marked the benchmarks that are from the 560 sp card.

other than that, anyone is free to quote our data as long as sources are given and the data is not modified.

well, if you say its ok, no problems.


Personally, i'd complain as only you have the power to do so.

1. They used the results for the lower SP card. False advertising.

2. they compare to the 8800GT, not the 9800GT! gah!

To be honest... this is very disturbing to me. Its something you *could* take legal action over, due to the inherent lies and trickery.

 

[DrPepper]

well, if you say its ok, no problems.


Personally, i'd complain as only you have the power to do so.

1. They used the results for the lower SP card. False advertising.

2. they compare to the 8800GT, not the 9800GT! gah!

To be honest... this is very disturbing to me. Its something you *could* take legal action over, due to the inherent lies and trickery.

It wouldn't be false advertising unless they said it was the higher sp card. As for taking legal action doesn't tpu's news team take benchmarks from other websites ?

 

[wolf]

ive started this argument before, but i still think ATi cant get ahead in single gpu territory, some say multi gpu is the future, i disagree, one powerfull gpu all the way.

so in certain arguments, the 4870X2 shouldnt even be compared against a GTX280, the only reason they are is because of pricing, and shoehorning two gpu's onto one, big, hot, card.

not that a GTX280 isnt all of those....

in short im just bitching, im not a fan of either top dog at the moment.

they compare to the 8800GT, not the 9800GT! gah!

you know what a 9800GT IS right?

 

[SimFreak47]

I have Nothing against nVidia, in fact, I would use an nVidia over ATi any day.

You guys need to realize that this is marketing/business. Yeah, there might be BS and whatever, but seriously, businesses do this. Are they going to be honest and say "Oh, our video card only gets x FPS more, but the competition would be the better buy"

 

[DrPepper]

ive started this argument before, but i still think ATi cant get ahead in single gpu territory, some say multi gpu is the future, i disagree, one powerfull gpu all the way.

so in certain arguments, the 4870X2 shouldnt even be compared against a GTX280, the only reason they are is because of pricing, and shoehorning two gpu's onto one, big, hot, card.

not that a GTX280 isnt all of those....

in short im just bitching, im not a fan of either top dog at the moment.

I don't care how many gpu's are on a card just the number of pci-e slots taken up, thats how I'd count it anyway.

 

[wolf]

I don't care how many gpu's are on a card just the number of pci-e slots taken up, thats how I'd count it anyway.

ive had a few multi gpu setups, and its not for everyone, well not for me at least. far, far too many issues, and mainly just quirks.

not to mention neither company will ever get perfect scaling down, the only hope they have is Lucid's load balancer.

 

[DrPepper]

ive had a few multi gpu setups, and its not for everyone, well not for me at least. far, far too many issues, and mainly just quirks.

not to mention neither company will ever get perfect scaling down, the only hope they have is Lucid's load balancer.

You know it makes sense to make a single gpu better than add a second one.

 

[SimFreak47]

I have Nothing against nVidia, in fact, I would use an nVidia over ATi any day.

You guys need to realize that this is marketing/business. Yeah, there might be BS and whatever, but seriously, businesses do this. Are they going to be honest and say "Oh, our video card only gets x FPS more, but the competition would be the better buy"

W1zz needs to stop Nvidia from publishing this propaganda, with legal action.

Thanks for the lulz

 

[wolf]

You know it makes sense to make a single gpu better than add a second one.

absolutly, i mean i usually just go for whatever card is best value for performance at the time.

like now i have a 4870, even though i sort of consider myself a nvidia fanboy, but the 4870 is an awesome card (although oddly enough, given the chance i wouldnt buy one again) i did have 2x4870 in CF but sold the second due to issues, and not seeing the gains i wanted.

max FPS was almost double in every game, but almost every game had unchanged min fps, and seriously what good is a 200-400 fps spike when it still dips below 60?

meh, just me bitching again

but like i said, even nvidia multi gpu setups have presented the same quirks.

 

[DOM]

absolutly, i mean i usually just go for whatever card is best value for performance at the time.

like now i have a 4870, even though i sort of consider myself a nvidia fanboy, but the 4870 is an awesome card (although oddly enough, given the chance i wouldnt buy one again) i did have 2x4870 in CF but sold the second due to issues, and not seeing the gains i wanted.

max FPS was almost double in every game, but almost every game had unchanged min fps, and seriously what good is a 200-400 fps spike when it still dips below 60?

meh, just me bitching again

but like i said, even nvidia multi gpu setups have presented the same quirks.

have you seen this
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=74477

 

[wolf]

have you seen this
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=74477

have now thanks DOM very nice info

 

[DOM]

have now thanks DOM very nice info

NP that why Nvidia messed up card is not running at full speed also w1z noted that in the 1st page in the review

PLEASE NOTE: There is an issue with the HD 4830 sample from AMD. It has only 560 shaders instead of the intended 640. That's why the scores of the AMD card are so different. The card tested in this review has the correct shader count of 640 and is representative of the HD 4830 performance. Read more about this here.

 

[wolf]

well that pretty much brings it on par with the 9800GT then yeah? neck and neck thats what we all like to see

 

[DOM]

well i would like to see a review with the fixed bios to see what it really gots idc which is faster just for it to be fair

 

[wolf]

i want to test both myself, that would be fair, and cool

 

[W1zzard]

well i would like to see a review with the fixed bios to see what it really gots idc which is faster just for it to be fair

look at the powercolor 4830 numbers. the performance of the 640 sp amd hd 4830 is equal to that

2. they compare to the 8800GT, not the 9800GT! gah!

9800 GT is 100% identical to 8800 GT (exception being the stickers on the card)

 

[Darren]

I've lost all respect for Nvidia, this is what happens when we support the company with the big money. Next time I'm going to be buying ATI if this is how Nvidia market their products with bias results.

According to Hexus.net the 4830 is indeed faster than the 9800 GT - bearing in mind the 4830 is a new card and drivers have not yet matured yet the 4830 beats the 9800 GT!


I've included in the attachments a few screenshots of Hexus.net's benchmarks of the 4830 vs the 9800 GT. I would appreciate it everyone takes the time to look at all the images and respond back accordingly

Also a quote from Hexus.net

NVIDIA's GeForce 9800 GT still remains a viable competitor due to its keen pricing and extended software infrastructure that includes CUDA and PhysX, but the better pure gaming card is, on balance, the Radeon HD 4830.

Edit:

Incase the images are too small, the red bar is the 4830 and the purple bar is the 9800 GT

 

[DOM]

look at the powercolor 4830 numbers. the performance of the 640 sp amd hd 4830 is equal to that

the powercolor is at full 640 sp ?