The AMD Phenom II OC'ers Club

PaulieG · Feb 18, 2009

trt740 said:
could be but maybe it engineered with that in mind

There was something I read about there being less voltage leakage with Phenom II, which may allow slightly higher voltage. I'd still be careful though. I'm seeing lately that people just assume that heat is the only thing that will kill a chip....especially from overclocking noobs. This is just false. It may be the first thing to kill a chip if cooling isn't appropriate, but voltage itself has to be considered. If some of you guys don't know or understand electron migration, please take the time to google it. It may save you from a dead chip.

johnnyfiive · Feb 18, 2009

Rad, pump and tubing on its way. I should be rocking my water setup by the weekend. Woooooo.

Wile E · Feb 18, 2009

trt740 said:
could be but maybe it engineered with that in mind

Even so, the laws of Physics still apply. They can mitigate it to a point, but I doubt they can mitigate it far enough to make 1.55-1.6 safe. In all likelihood, they mitigated it far enough to make it the same as previous generations, which is a feat in itself.

Take the Intels, for example. 65nm were safe at 1.5V 24/7. 45nm was built with a HiK process just like 45nm PII's, yet it's only safe up to 1.4V for 24/7. Now, if AMD did better with their HiK process, getting it back up to 1.5V is plausible, but getting it safe beyond that is highly unlikely.

I have a feeling we'll be seeing degradation reports very soon from PII owners that are running high voltage thru their chips, even with good cooling.

jbunch07 · Feb 18, 2009

this is why I run @ stock clocks and voltage for 24/7 use...

PaulieG · Feb 18, 2009

Wile E said:
Even so, the laws of Physics still apply. They can mitigate it to a point, but I doubt they can mitigate it far enough to make 1.55-1.6 safe. In all likelihood, they mitigated it far enough to make it the same as previous generations, which is a feat in itself.

Take the Intels, for example. 65nm were safe at 1.5V 24/7. 45nm was built with a HiK process just like 45nm PII's, yet it's only safe up to 1.4V for 24/7. Now, if AMD did better with their HiK process, getting it back up to 1.5V is plausible, but getting it safe beyond that is highly unlikely.

I have a feeling we'll be seeing degradation reports very soon from PII owners that are running high voltage thru their chips, even with good cooling.

LOL. It sounds like Wile and I are the "prophets of doom".

I just don't want to see people kill their chips. I'll be curious to see degradation report, even though I've sold my AMD rig.

ShadowFold · Feb 18, 2009

jbunch07 said:
this is why I run @ stock clocks and voltage for 24/7 use...

I usually run the highest I can get on stock voltage for my 24/7

Or maybe if it's only a small bump in voltage I do that. My Kuma at 3.2ghz needs a small bump but it's so worth it.

jbunch07 · Feb 18, 2009

Paulieg said:
LOL. It sounds like Wile and I are the "prophets of doom". I just don't want to see people kill their chips. I'll be curious to see degradation report, even though I've sold my AMD rig.

lol, thanks for the insight and concern though :toast:

ShadowFold said:
I usually run the highest I can get on stock voltage for my 24/7 Or maybe if it's only a small bump in voltage I do that. My Kuma at 3.2ghz needs a small bump but it's so worth it.

I can understand that, but 3ghz is more than enough to keep me happy on my day to day activities gaming/benching is still fine at stock speed but if I feel the urge ill oc but only for the duration of my gaming/benching.

ShadowFold · Feb 18, 2009

Well I just pulled my 940 outta the freezer. It was in there for a few days, gonna let it dry off and try it out.. I hope it works

jbunch07 · Feb 18, 2009

ShadowFold said:
Well I just pulled my 940 outta the freezer. It was in there for a few days, gonna let it dry off and try it out.. I hope it works

good luck, I just put 4x1GB of ballistix tracers in the freezer a few hours ago...prob pull them out tomorrow night and let them dry for 12 hours

Chicken Patty · Feb 18, 2009

good luck shadow fold :toast:

cdawall · Feb 18, 2009

ok RMA'ing the 720BE its no go spent 3 days in the deepfreeze no help to it though :/

Chicken Patty · Feb 18, 2009

cdawall said:
ok RMA'ing the 720BE its no go spent 3 days in the deepfreeze no help to it though :/

damn dude, so what are you going to get meanwhile?

cdawall · Feb 18, 2009

i'm on my 3500+

cdawall · Feb 18, 2009

ok gettign a refund on the cpu and exchanging it for this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131366

than getting another 945ES

MilkyWay · Feb 18, 2009

so people killed their chips already

cdawall · Feb 18, 2009

MilkyWay said:
so people killed their chips already

just me and mine met a very unpleasant death

Neo4 · Feb 19, 2009

PhenomII X3 720 Black Edition Hallucination

Would you guys kindly take a look at the desktop screen capture and tell me what you think? :twitch:

Chicken Patty · Feb 19, 2009

Neo4 said:
Would you guys kindly take a look at the desktop screen capture and tell me what you think?

wtf, shows like if it had 4 cores in the task manager?

Neo4 · Feb 19, 2009

I know dude, that's what's got me questioning my sanity. Notice that CPU-z shows "X4 20" in the Specification string and says 4 cores 4 threads at the bottom. I think this bad boy didn't get a core disabled and made it past QC on the way out. Seems to run fine so far but I have a bunch of new BIOS options that I'm trying to puzzle out before OC'ing it.

Chicken Patty · Feb 19, 2009

Neo4 said:
I know dude, that's what's got me questioning my sanity. Notice that CPU-z shows "X4 20" in the Specification string and says 4 cores 4 threads at the bottom. I think this bad boy didn't get a core disabled and made it past QC on the way out. Seems to run fine so far but I have a bunch of new BIOS options that I'm trying to puzzle out before OC'ing it.

man that is crazy bro.

I wonder what everybody else thinks, any one?

ShadowFold · Feb 19, 2009

I'm thinking hes a lucky bastard lol

Chicken Patty · Feb 19, 2009

ShadowFold said:
I'm thinking hes a lucky bastard lol

that is crazy I wonder how often that happens! :eek:

Neo4 · Feb 19, 2009

It is crazy! I rebooted and now it doesn't show the extra core. CPU-z is now correctly identifying in the specification string "X3 720" when it was saying "X4 20". If this is a BIOS error does that mean that AMD doesn't use a laser to sever the connection to one of the cores but instead instructs the BIOS to ignore it? Does that mean there might be a way for some BIOS editor to re-enable it?

eidairaman1 · Feb 19, 2009

if that was possible youd have a greater chance of a bad core than a good one, unless if they are cut exactly to be tri cores now.

exodusprime1337 · Feb 19, 2009

what sidebar app is heusing?

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