Phenom II X4 Sets New 3DMark06 World Record

[DaedalusHelios]

Phenom II is a strong offering to compete with 45nm intel LGA775 processors. Its just to little to late because of i7 in the performance department and the sad situation of DDR3 errata for Phenom II.(until its fixed so they can use slots 3 and 4)


But the Phenom II pricing is competitive.

I am considering building a PII computer if I can scoup up a used one for cheap perhaps.

I doubt they will get that far on vantage.

Of course they won't but they shouldn't have to pick and choose outdated benchmarks to look competitive. They should do their best on the best scale of performance. They don't have to be on top. They just shouldn't pretend to have the best performance. They should show off their attractive pricing on their Processors and Motherboards because thats their strong suit. Intel doesn't want to take that away from them. Thats what keeps AMD in the market IMO.

I want to see performance per watt and per dollar in comparisons. The motherboard market speaks for itself.

Intel boards have more attractive features but a higher price on average so its honestly whatever you prefer really. I am just glad Phenom 2 was better designed than the original Phenom because Phenom felt like a step backwards in quality. But Phenom II redeemed them in my eyes as a major competition again.

 

[PCpraiser100]

Good record break, but you should've lived with GTX 295s.

 

[cdawall]

i keep bringing this up on XS but if someone would just grab a bloody 780a board and toss some 295's on it maybe we would see a new vantage top dog as well

 

[phanbuey]

i keep bringing this up on XS but if someone would just grab a bloody 780a board and toss some 295's on it maybe we would see a new vantage top dog as well

seriously... although i dunno if a 780a can get a phenom to 6Ghz

 

[cdawall]

seriously... although i dunno if a 780a can get a phenom to 6Ghz

no one has tried there are two very solid 780a boards the foxconn destroyer and crosshair II. both have the design to do but noone has put them cold yet

 

[js01]

I don't see why these futuremark benchmarks are so hard on computers, like the first level in vantage looks like dirt as far as graphics go but I have a hard time getting a score of 30fps in it but I can play all the latest games that look far better then that with good framerates.

 

[1Kurgan1]

Nice to see, why do people get their panties all in a twist when a new WR is set? The old ones are set with LN2, your average overclocker isn't going to set these records. This isn't a new thing, LN2 has been the record holders for everything for a while now, Intel or AMD

 

[Hayder_Master]

ohh ,that's much and now phenom II say to core i7 im here and no one take my place

 

[r9]

As usual some one is going to ask is this 24/7 stable. It is the WR for God`s sake.

 

[Imsochobo]

the 295 isnt THAT much faster than the 4870x2 which it is in vantage.

why does phenom II win ?.
4 cores, very high clock. simply coped with the 8 threads core 7 has(increasing cpu score MADLY)

i bet PH2 is faster than core 7 both at limits, in games that is, but core 7 is still the numbercrouncher for things like, superpi, wprime, cpu score in 3dmark for instance and so on.

But for 2 threads the PHII will win in fps though, due to higher clock ^^

 

[TheMailMan78]

What I don't think some of you guys realize is the Phenom II was never EVER meant to compete with the i7. It was designed to be in direct competition to the 775. If you look at the benches it does a fine job of this.

 

[DrPepper]

the 295 isnt THAT much faster than the 4870x2 which it is in vantage.

why does phenom II win ?.
4 cores, very high clock. simply coped with the 8 threads core 7 has(increasing cpu score MADLY)

i bet PH2 is faster than core 7 both at limits, in games that is, but core 7 is still the numbercrouncher for things like, superpi, wprime, cpu score in 3dmark for instance and so on.

But for 2 threads the PHII will win

Well no clock for clock i7 is more efficient and does beat PII in games.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

Well no clock for clock i7 is more efficient and does beat PII in games.

In games I have heard when it has hyperthreading off it does better. And in daily use like Winrar, hd video encoding, etc. its better suited to having Hyperthreading on from what I have read from people thus far. I may be wrong on this, so correct me if I am wrong please.

 

[DrPepper]

In games I have heard when it has hyperthreading off it does better. And in daily use like Winrar, hd video encoding, etc. its better suited to having Hyperthreading on from what I have read from people thus far. I may be wrong on this, so correct me if I am wrong please.

I think your right there that it performs better with HT off but I can't remember.

 

[Azkeyz]

Haters make you famous

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Thats cool. I understand but cant I get a little credit too for the story?

FYI all you AMD naysayers Iv been dying for bta to post this.

Record is a record.

it is a record, but 150 points? that's almost margin of error territory...so, that's a moral victory at best, and I'll head the naysayers, amd still is in second place however you figure it, PARTICULARLY in real life useage and at reasonable 24/7 settings and even most benchmarks minus a few like this one...anyone want to show me a super pi 1mb run with this vs a core duo forget the i7? I didn't think so...Nothing against AMD my last rig was an fx-55 loved it, but right now they're in 2nd place and clinging to solvency as well.

 

[cdawall]

it is a record, but 150 points? that's almost margin of error territory...so, that's a moral victory at best, and I'll head the naysayers, amd still is in second place however you figure it, PARTICULARLY in real life useage and at reasonable 24/7 settings and even most benchmarks minus a few like this one...anyone want to show me a super pi 1mb run with this vs a core duo forget the i7? I didn't think so...Nothing against AMD my last rig was an fx-55 loved it, but right now they're in 2nd place and clinging to solvency as well.

are you kidding me super pi is the worst way to compare intel has always led in that. why not compare something that at least utilizes i dont know all of the cores? try wprime and notice the scores and how intel leads only with i7 and 8 threads

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=77369

 

[trt740]

it is a record, but 150 points? that's almost margin of error territory...so, that's a moral victory at best, and I'll head the naysayers, amd still is in second place however you figure it, PARTICULARLY in real life useage and at reasonable 24/7 settings and even most benchmarks minus a few like this one...anyone want to show me a super pi 1mb run with this vs a core duo forget the i7? I didn't think so...Nothing against AMD my last rig was an fx-55 loved it, but right now they're in 2nd place and clinging to solvency as well.

in every day functions, burning dvd's, rendering video, playing games, and mp3 conversion the phenom II performs on par or better than core 2 duo quads and similar in most to the new intel chips. There really is very little difference in everyday use, read some reviews. It's only in benching that they lose out. The phenom II is a giant leap, using existing tech , DDR2 and older chipsets over the prior generations of AMD chips and even intel, because you can use an old school platform to run it on, and the upgrade path doesn't seem to end here with DDR2/ DDR3 controllers in the next generation of AMD chips.


excerpt from a recent review below and here is a link to the whole review http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=293&Itemid=63 Any 840 references are typos by the reviewer he means 940


Phenom II X4 940BE Conclusion

In the majority of our gaming benchmarks and some of the CPU tests, the 3.0GHz AMD Phenom II X4 940BE either matched or outperformed the 2.66GHz Intel Core i7-920 processor. For many, performance may be defined as a artificial score from a synthetic benchmark, but in the real world these tools aren't very similar to a normal workload. When it comes down to it I think that the person who can play games, browse the Web, rip music, and update their personal finances at the same speed with one processor as they could another should be wary of how we calculate performance. If the Core i7-920 could render a better frame rate, or open my programs faster, I might easily declare the AMD Phenom II X4 840BE a subordinate part. Since only a few benchmarks could place the Intel processor ahead of the AMD counterparts, it seems that we must rely on other factors to define performance... such as functionality, overclock ability, and value.

AMD Is certainly happy the Phenom II processor series has launched with success, and I'm certain the battered company could use a break from its recent history of 'bad luck'. Thankfully, the Phenom II series is bug-free and constructed the way we would expect a global name to produce products. The X4 940BE is built to perform, and offers an 'unlocked' design for overclockers to take advantage of. The increased size of the integrated heat spreader helps keep temperatures cool with more contact surface to transfer heat.

Functionality is one particular area in which AMDs Phenom II processor series is already ahead of the competition. The irony is that it's really only going to get better as Intel prepares to launch yet another processor on a new socket. While the AM3 socket is completely backwards compatible to AM2+ sockets, the competition is already preparing to role out yet another socket to further divide its consumer base. You could read my Final Thoughts to under the upcoming concern, but when AMD is already making strides to provide more value across its product line, it's nice to also see functionality becoming a key asset.

Although we didn't go into detail on our overclock results (which will be published separately in another article), our preliminary results indicate that the latest Phenom II 'Black Edition' processors are easily capable of giving everyone the opportunity to have more for less by overclocking. Enthusiasts and overclockers can cool the large contact surface while pushing the Phenom II X4 840BE well past its limits, while pushing the core speed higher thanks to a forgiving architecture.

As of February 2009, the Phenom II X4 940BE has been available to the retail market for one month. At the time of this writing NewEgg sold the HDZ940XCGIBOX retail kit for $229, but by using the Benchmark Reviews price comparison tool we discovered several other deals offered.

In summary, the AMD Phenom II X3 720 BE processor receives my highest recommendation and approval. Take into account the very affordable pricing and 'Black Edition' overclocking headroom, and it becomes easy to see why the HDZ940XCGIBOX kit earns our Golden Tachometer Award. You've probably also caught onto my repetitive reminder of how the Phenom II processors have proven themselves to perform very closely to the much more expensive Core i7-920 in real-world computing tasks, and that the added expense seems a waste. It's going to take a while for enthusiasts to get reacquainted with AMD, because until very recently the processor business has been a one man show.
Pros:Benchmark Reviews Golden Tachometer Award

+ Unlocked 'Black Edition' allows unrestricted overclocking
+ Outstanding price to performance ratio
+ Utilizes inexpensive DDR2 system memory
+ Excellent real-world quad-core performance
+ 2MB L2 Cache, 6MB Shared L3 Cache
+ Equally impressive gaming performance
+ Large Integrated Heat Spreader for improved cooling
Cons:

- Does not utilize backward compatible AM3 socket interface
- Does not include DDR3 memory support
Ratings:

*
Performance: 9.00
*
Construction: 9.25
*
Functionality: 9.00
*
Overclock: 9.25
*
Value: 8.50

Final Score: 9.0 out of 10.

 

[dumo]

The latest revision before retail 945BE....On LN2

 

[ShadowFold]

BRUTAL! 31x multiplier FTW

 

[SeanG]

This is 3Dmark 06 right?I thought the record was 40.000 something?I seen people with GTX285 CARDS IN SLI posting 35,000 3Dmark 06 scores.

 

[Marineborn]

Brace yourself for a fanboy comment...THATS HOW ITS DONE BABA!!!!! UUUHRAH!~!!!~!~!!

show them overpriced exscuses for silicon how its done BABA!!!!!

 

[Wile E]

Meh. Core i7 still has the higher cpu score. Throw those 2 cards on a LN2 cooled 965XE rig, and we'll have another WR record on our hands again. Impressive showing, but it's all smoke and mirrors. The cards are what gave the record, not the CPU.

 

[Marineborn]

i dont know about that wile e if intels problems with cold bugs, there wont be much settings of wr's at all. oh well

 

[Wile E]

i dont know about that wile e if intels problems with cold bugs, there wont be much settings of wr's at all. oh well

Look at the CPU scores. An i7 at just 5.2Ghz handily beats the Phenom at 6.2GHz. The Phenom gets 8500pts at 6.2, the i7 gets 9000 at 5.2. If the i7 scores higher on the cpu tests, it can be reasoned that the cards are what achieved the score for the Phenom.