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alright so can I join the club now :D Specs to the left.


100 MHz overclock, just enjoying it :toast:

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Mines at 3.76 and i am only 3-4 sec faster
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Yes but other than benching the CPU it's self, there is zero difference. The phenom II at 3.8ghz easily maxes my 4870 1gb frame rate same as the I7 and it burns dvd and multitasks just as well. I thought I would see some real world difference but there is none. Maybe in the future, but that's just a credit to both companies.

I just got me a Phenom II today. Im running the i7 at 3.3 Ghz and the Phenom II at default. i7 still feels a bit more crisp around W7, than the Phenom II does on XP. However no real difference though. Phenom II feels good so far. However, while most people on Phenom II's have trouble hitting that 4GHz mark stable, I can just load up my settings in the BIOS and game at 4.2-4.3 GHz stable, HT on. Give credit to intel for that one.

Thats why I say AM3 is looking good. They are reaching 4GHz stable at 1.45v which for AMD is not a lot of voltage.
 
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wprime 3.2 ghz


 
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Two questions


How far you guys taking these CPUs on default voltage?

Also, how far does the NB speed go up on these chips?
 
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Two questions


How far you guys taking these CPUs on default voltage?

Also, how far does the NB speed go up on these chips?

3.45Ghz on default voltage for me. (1.35V)
 
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I will try something.. I might be able to do 3.5Ghz on 1.35V.
 
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Benchmark Scores i'm working on that
thats what i did with mine lol

did you see my 4.010 ghz post back a page or two... took my spot right below you on the front page... gonna go for some dice this weekend and see what i can get.. i can post at 4.12Ghz but i can't get it stable for the life of me.. i'm terrified to give it more voltage, currently the water i got set up keeps me at 33idle 47 load at 1.565... how much further can i safely push the board with this setup.. is there a target temp to stay under or a target voltage?
 
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little tweak back to 3.0 GHz :D

.5 seconds off. loose timings

 

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did you see my 4.010 ghz post back a page or two... took my spot right below you on the front page... gonna go for some dice this weekend and see what i can get.. i can post at 4.12Ghz but i can't get it stable for the life of me.. i'm terrified to give it more voltage, currently the water i got set up keeps me at 33idle 47 load at 1.565... how much further can i safely push the board with this setup.. is there a target temp to stay under or a target voltage?

no i didnt see that lol sweet
 
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Epic fail... NB caps out at 2.4Ghz.... NB Multi hook doesnt work...
ughh... Also... I can run 3.475Ghz on 1.35V but as soon as I hit the 3.5Ghz mark it wants 1.4V to stay stable. I am on the stock cooler also.. ;- (
 
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Epic fail... NB caps out at 2.4Ghz.... NB Multi hook doesnt work...
ughh... Also... I can run 3.475Ghz on 1.35V but as soon as I hit the 3.5Ghz mark it wants 1.4V to stay stable. I am on the stock cooler also.. ;- (

NB multi works for me BTW, just tweaked it and it works.
 

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Add me to the club
I got my 720B.E , so far i'm prime stable at 3.5GHZ on x4 cores.

 
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^Taking it easy HUH?
I guess SuperPi likes bandwidth, I cant run these POS corsairs at 1066, LOL.
 
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^Taking it easy HUH?
I guess SuperPi likes bandwidth, I cant run these POS corsairs at 1066, LOL.

how much voltage have you tried giving to them?
 
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4850 has not been touched, not even teh fan profile :laugh:

 

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how much voltage have you tried giving to them?

You know TBH, I havent even tried:laugh:

I'm loosen the timings and give it a go in a few.

BTW have you tried a x14multi on the NB yet?
 
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