The Pirate Bay in Legal Soup, Owners Fined and Jailed

[DaMulta]

http://www.bytelove.com/partners/kopimi-/-tpb/the-pirate-bay-premium-bamboo/prod_56.html

 

[troyrae360]

Much of Beethoven's original work was simply played at parties and other gatherings, or for the church. This was common with music of the period. You had to pay to see a show, just as you must pay now. Most primitive music before then was almost always religious, and almost always a community participatory thing. Modern technology has brought in the idea of purchasing recorded mediums. Most of the profit went to those who distributed the recording (record companies). Now the internet allows for anyone and everyone to distribute music freely and easily, eliminating the need for a record company all together imo. You still have to pay to see the shows, but you shouldn't be expected to pay for the recordings. Should you pay me for reading this post? It's mine.

Correct. Intellectual property is imo a farce. My ideas written on a forum are no more worth money than someones compositions (not saying they are equal, I would much rather pay for music than my rantings ). What, because they are "artists" their ideas are worth more than mine? You pay chefs and waitresses because they make your company money. Essentially the money comes from the ingredients that are bought, which are made into food and served. You pay them to complete these steps. CDs are what the money comes from in the music business, you pay artists to make them. When the artists can distribute their music themselves, the company is no longer needed. If the artist wants to charge, that's fine, many will pay. How much does it cost to put a song on the internet? How many need to pay you to turn a profit? Not many.

The Pirate Bay was also free.........

This is my Intellectual property!!
By reading this line of text you are entering into a legal bind. you now owe me $100 and a new Phenom 2 940
Just PM me to arrange payment and shiping

Thanks for reading

 

[Triprift]

Why does this not suprise me the record companies are only interested in making money and anything that threatens that needs to be stopped. Bring us bands and singers i may actually want to listen to instead of the usual safe boring rubbish wich is rammed down are throats then i might fork out my dosh and the same goes for movies.

 

[IcrushitI]

So let me get this straight. Artists have no right to their work or how its used because its not tangible? Then a car mechanic has no rights to his repairs only parts. His time should be free. If you do data entry it should be done free. Chiefs should cook for free. Waitresses should wait for free. See my point?

Also no you posted this on a free forum. However if you wrote it in a book I would expect to pay to read your rhetoric

In a close to perfect world I might have a bit more sympathy to your arguments. When CEO's and the politicians, who write the laws, which as you probably know and see are romping around in the same bed, what can consumers do but fight back in the only ways they can. Its a fine line called civil disobedience. Take a look around whats happening in the USA and start to connect the dots in the financial district. Can you or I Hire a Lobbyist to fight on our behalf, no but corporations can and do. Years ago Lobbying was called Influence Peddling, which was against the law. Some politicians got together and watered the old laws down and gave them a new name Lobbyists. Gave them some new regulations, another name for that is Legalized Influence Peddling. So until I see some changes in Legalized Influence peddling, I will in some way do some civil disobedience. Because the way were headed it's all I have left.
By the way TheMailMan78 did you hear that FaceBook is now laying claim to everything that is on their servers. Every sentence, picture, that you or anybody has uploaded. When Facebook first started did they have a disclaimer upfront telling you that what is put on their servers is copyrighted material that they now own. So if they decide to use your mugshot in an ad making money on their site you have no rights to it. TheMailMan78 is this what you call fair. Because the average person can't afford to fight this, they will do so and get away with it. Maybe with your legalistic point of view you might want to go and straighten Facebook out about the abuse of copyright.

 

[Nick89]

The judge was bribed.

 

[ZoneDymo]

The judge was bribed.

Now that is an insult kid, really.

 

[ZoneDymo]

In a close to perfect world I might have a bit more sympathy to your arguments. When CEO's and the politicians, who write the laws, which as you probably know and see are romping around in the same bed, what can consumers do but fight back in the only ways they can. Its a fine line called civil disobedience. Take a look around whats happening in the USA and start to connect the dots in the financial district. Can you or I Hire a Lobbyist to fight on our behalf, no but corporations can and do. Years ago Lobbying was called Influence Peddling, which was against the law. Some politicians got together and watered the old laws down and gave them a new name Lobbyists. Gave them some new regulations, another name for that is Legalized Influence Peddling. So until I see some changes in Legalized Influence peddling, I will in some way do some civil disobedience. Because the way were headed it's all I have left.
By the way TheMailMan78 did you hear that FaceBook is now laying claim to everything that is on their servers. Every sentence, picture, that you or anybody has uploaded. When Facebook first started did they have a disclaimer upfront telling you that what is put on their servers is copyrighted material that they now own. So if they decide to use your mugshot in an ad making money on their site you have no rights to it. TheMailMan78 is this what you call fair. Because the average person can't afford to fight this, they will do so and get away with it. Maybe with your legalistic point of view you might want to go and straighten Facebook out about the abuse of copyright.

That right yo, Fight the man dude, they want to controlle our minds!!
*blows another joint*

Seriously man, are you into conspiracy theories too?
This case its really simple

Guy makes something (HIS PRODUCT)
Other guys want what he made
Guys says ok, you can have it for 20 euro
Other guys say ok and that is that.

BUT NO, here comes pirate bay.

Guy makes something (HIS PRODUCT)
Other guys want what he made
Guys says ok, you can have it for 20 euro
Other guys say, no sorry we will simply take your product and wont give you anything for it but the finger and then I will help other guys steal you product even faster.

 

[DaMulta]

Then google comes and says "Hey we can help everyone in the world find your torrent links so they don't even have to visit your site."

 

[zCexVe]

Then google comes and says "Hey we can help everyone in the world find your torrent links so they don't even have to visit your site."

 

[zCexVe]

Ok YOU think its extortionate. They think its fair. I think Lamborghini's are extortionate but I've never stole one because I felt that.
They provide an unnecessary good. It has another name right now but it escapes me. Anyway you do not NEED it to live therefore they cannot "overcharge" you for it. Especially when listening to songs on the radio is free.

The platform they operate on is the Internet. No one is shutting that down. Also if this councils sole purpose was to commit crimes than yes. It should be shut down. FYI don't argue its not. They named the thing "Pirate Bay".

The store is robbed if you buy a DVD player and its been open and broken. Return it. As for buying a game and not liking it than download the demo. If there is no demo read reviews. If you are still not sure then don't buy the game. You do not have a right to steal an exotic car and test drive it because the dealer doesn't let you due to whatever reason.

Songs that are played on the radio are like game demos. They are designed to promote the game. They want word to spread about the game so they give you a test for free. Songs on the radio are the same. The only time you get in trouble for that is when you sell the tapes.

If you eat anything at a store that isn't offered as a free sample then you are a thief until you pay for it. As for the bands comment and offering their song on the web as a free trial before you buy then thats their business. They are no different than a company representative giving free samples of its company's goods at the market.

It doesn't matter how much the record company makes. Its none of your business. Because they make money that makes them bad? I think because someone wants something free that makes them lazy. If they steal it that makes them a thief.

Guys no matter how you spin this its legal and ethically wrong. Intellectual property is still PROPERTY and you cannot take it without permission. These jackasses provided a service that gave you the tools to take whatever you wanted at any time. Look at it this way. If you come to my house and I have a box of car keys and I tell you these are the keys to an exotic car lot. Take how many you want because I THINK they charge to much for them. Guess who goes to jail with you as an accomplice when you steal that Lamborghini. Sure I can deny I gave you the keys but these guys bragged about it.

I'm just saying..If you steal a movie from piratebay it doesn't get lost.There are more copies.Steal a Lambo and it is gone.Only one can have it.Thats why it is limited and pricey.Can't you just lower the prices of Digital content?

 

[btarunr]

This is my Intellectual property!!
By reading this line of text you are entering into a legal bind. you now owe me $100 and a new Phenom 2 940
Just PM me to arrange payment and shiping

Thanks for reading

Every post on this website is property of TechPowerUp, alone.

 

[Triprift]

Meh Pirate bay lives thats all i care about.

 

[IcrushitI]

That right yo, Fight the man dude, they want to controlle our minds!!
*blows another joint*

Seriously man, are you into conspiracy theories too?
.

I find it ironic that when someone puts down a few facts that some individuals find difficult to debate, out come the "conspiracy theories too" argument. Simplicity at the lowest level.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

I made a table just like the one I saw in an Ikea catalogue. I wasn't going to sell it... I just can't afford to buy Ikea products. But then a guy from Ikea showed up and said I copied their design in every way and now I am being sued. Its hard to defend yourself when you are the little guy.

It didn't really happen but you see where I am going right?

 

[laszlo]

is not the 1st time when they are sued

they can be convicted only when someone proves that the PB servers are hosting copyrighted materials which is not the case;they host only 100 kb files and only the names are indicating ...

to avoid future legal issues they can rename the torrent file to anything and people will still now the contents of it so is a waste of time for prosecution

 

[ZoneDymo]

I find it ironic that when someone puts down a few facts that some individuals find difficult to debate, out come the "conspiracy theories too" argument. Simplicity at the lowest level.

I find it ironic that my simple post crushed you.
You dont have a leg to stand on.

 

[btarunr]

 

[Triprift]

How about you guys just relax for a bit please ok ya got different opinions no need to get into a full on argument over it.

 

[W1zzard]

This is my Intellectual property!!
By reading this line of text you are entering into a legal bind. you now owe me $100 and a new Phenom 2 940

sorry,

By posting or submitting content to techPowerUp! Forums, you grant techPowerUp! Forums and its affiliates and licensees the right to use, reproduce, display, perform, adapt, modify, distribute, have distributed, and promote the content in any form, anywhere and for any purpose.

i love the "have distributed" part

 

[troyrae360]

sorry,



i love the "have distributed" part

Haha feel free to use, reproduce, display, perform, adapt, modify, distribute, have distributed, and promote the content.

 

[buggalugs]

Ya. i used to download stuff from pirate bay. Then i started walking with a limp and saying AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRHHHHHH a lot so i stopped.

 

[Mussels]

I'm throwing personal opinions below this paragraph. They dont reflect on TPU at all, and i'll still go deleting posts that mention 'piracy' otuside of this thread.

I personally, have torrented lots of 'pirated' material. I will give very valid reasons as to why.

1. You can not return games to stores in Australia, despite being able to do so with console games. While i'm techie enough to make any game WORK, there is nothing worse than paying $120 (yes, some games here are that expensive) only to find you aboslutely hate the game.
Its not like there is man demos these days - find me one for forged alliance, opposing fronts, tales of valor - oh wait those are expansion packs. how am i meant to know if i like them, if the ONLY option is to buy? (i love em and own em all legit, its an example). Then theres actuall full games - crysis, far cry 2, fallout 2 - all big hits, no demos i've come across. Imagine how the average joe feels with his dell - no idea if it will work, and no refund it if doesnt.

2. Some games are not available here anymore. Cant find them locally or online - an example is jagged alliance 2. I own all the JA games, but no matter what i did i couldnt buy the expansion pack for JA2 - so i downloaded it. It didnt run properly since i was on vista64, so i saved myself the money of buying it and having it not run.

Movies/TV shows/anime.

Anime: i'm not waiting 5 years for the shows to turn up here butchered with scenes missing, and terrible translations when i half speak japanese as it is. Its no different to watching em on TV in japan and having a TiVo, is it? If it was available for cheap download like they are doing in the USA with naruto at the moment, i would pay for them. If people can do it for free, a company can do it for $1 a download, etc.

Movies: Once a movies no longer at the local cinema, i have no real option but to wait til its available for sale or rental. In the meantime i download 700MB copies of a movie and see if i like it. if i dont, i delete it. If i do, as soon as its available on DVD i buy it.

TV shows. i can watch it for free here and record it on TiVo, or with my TV tuner card... how is it any different to torrent it? i'm not getting ads, but with a TiVo or a TV tuner with modern software they get cut out anyway.

Yes what i do technically breaks certain laws... but if there are everyday practices that have happened for decades with no legal retribution such as recording radio to cassette, TV to VHS, CD to MP3, TiVo, HDTV tuner cards and so on then there is legal grounds for me to say "hey - i am allowed to do this too"

 

[PCpraiser100]

These guys are stupid in their opinion of never paying the fine, talk about hating our system a little too much.

I am actually very glad that these guys have been arrested, however, I think they should've enforced The Pirate Bay to be shut down as well. Sure, I no there are a thousand other sites to kill and that leechers would be pissed that they didn't finish their download, but thats how it should be done after all the endless fussing over piracy.

 

[DaveK]

I'd do the same. I know lots of people who pirate stuff, hell, almost every single person I know has downloaded illegally, be it 1 song or a full game. I mean, who hasn't bought a pirated movie from the guy walking door to door offering cheap movies?

When I got my old Dell I wanted to install The Sims 2 to see how much better it ran than my laptop, the 4 CD retail version wouldn't install, but worked fine on the laptop, so I went out and bought the DVD version. Both copies legit. I should have pirated it instead of wasting my money. Just last week I downloaded it cos I lost the disc.

I download Top Gear off the net, but it's not available to buy on DVD, if it was I'd buy it instantly. I watch all the latest episodes on TV anyway so I could easily just record them onto DVD or use the DVR that my cable company offers. Funny, they charge €5 per month to let you record stuff off the TV, yet we're the criminals? :shadedshu

If I had the money I'd gladly buy the movies as I like having hard copies of things rather than digital, it's not that I don't want to buy them, I just simply can't afford it.

 

[iStink]

I'm throwing personal opinions below this paragraph. They dont reflect on TPU at all, and i'll still go deleting posts that mention 'piracy' otuside of this thread.

I personally, have torrented lots of 'pirated' material. I will give very valid reasons as to why.

1. You can not return games to stores in Australia, despite being able to do so with console games. While i'm techie enough to make any game WORK, there is nothing worse than paying $120 (yes, some games here are that expensive) only to find you aboslutely hate the game.
Its not like there is man demos these days - find me one for forged alliance, opposing fronts, tales of valor - oh wait those are expansion packs. how am i meant to know if i like them, if the ONLY option is to buy? (i love em and own em all legit, its an example). Then theres actuall full games - crysis, far cry 2, fallout 2 - all big hits, no demos i've come across. Imagine how the average joe feels with his dell - no idea if it will work, and no refund it if doesnt.

This is a good point. A lot of stuff getting pirated is stuff you can't return. Last I checked, you can't return DVD's, CD's, Software, PC Games, and EVEN CONSOLE GAMES to Best Buy. I tried to exchange a gameboy game just a day after buying it and the asshole told me there was no way I could. (I had bought the wrong thing for my brother and he opened it before realizing it wasn't what he wanted.) I told him I could see why PC games couldn't be returned but a gameboy game should be allowed, it's common sense. Then the prick turns my receipt over and points out in little tiny fine red print saying it couldn't be returned or exchanged and says "no, THATS common sense. Bye" and he walked away. I was pissed lol.

TV shows. i can watch it for free here and record it on TiVo, or with my TV tuner card... how is it any different to torrent it? i'm not getting ads, but with a TiVo or a TV tuner with modern software they get cut out anyway.

I heard the other side of this argument, and laughed my ass off. Basically a professor at school said the difference in tivo'd tv shows and movies and pirated tv shows and movies is that when you tivo something on tv, you record the commercials too. Sure you can fast forward through them, but apparently advertisers would much rather have someone fast forward through their ad at 16x and see it for a split second than for people not to see it at all. Doesn't make sense at first, but then when you think about it maybe it does. You fast forward through a wendy's commercial, the chance that you'll see a full screen jr bacon cheeseburger is pretty high, and that's still advertising. It's been put into your mind lol.