The Pirate Bay in Legal Soup, Owners Fined and Jailed

[Mussels]

I heard the other side of this argument, and laughed my ass off. Basically a professor at school said the difference in tivo'd tv shows and movies and pirated tv shows and movies is that when you tivo something on tv, you record the commercials too. Sure you can fast forward through them, but apparently advertisers would much rather have someone fast forward through their ad at 16x and see it for a split second than for people not to see it at all. Doesn't make sense at first, but then when you think about it maybe it does. You fast forward through a wendy's commercial, the chance that you'll see a full screen jr bacon cheeseburger is pretty high, and that's still advertising. It's been put into your mind lol.

I've definately seen it in TV tuner software and im confident i saw it on a TiVo box too - the ability to actually not record the commercials, or automatically delete them once the show is recorded.

 

[DrPepper]

I've definately seen it in TV tuner software and im confident i saw it on a TiVo box too - the ability to actually not record the commercials, or automatically delete them once the show is recorded.

My television in my room turns off when commercials come on then comes back on when the show starts.

 

[Mussels]

My television in my room turns off when commercials come on then comes back on when the show starts.

well there you go, you are now a pirate.

 

[DrPepper]

well there you go, you are now a pirate.

Most people change the channel when ads come on and change back just as the show is starting so the majority of us are pirates.

 

[h3llb3nd4]

damn! I am a pirate^I do that all the time

 

[ArmoredCavalry]

Dang!!!! Where am I supposed to download copyrighted materials on the internet now!!!

These sly, sly record companies....

Ya know what, I'm just gonna have to start paying for all my music, they have forced me into this.... I have no choice now...

 

[mtosev]

haha becaouse of thepiratebay the piracy rate in Slovenia is 70%. < BSA assesment

 

[KainXS]

mailman, if you think reviews are always right then thats sad, big companies pay alot of money to many reviewers to give their products a nice bump in their review to sell them

everyone has a different viewpoint on things, someone can tell you something is bad and when you play it, its awesome

and based on what you said its okay for the buyer to be ripped off and the seller to get away with it, and its not ok vice versa either, so why should that be ok.

thats what you said right

if your sitting back and thinking you have never pirated something your a fool, everyone has done it whether by accident or purposely, so why not sue everybody.
This has always been a problem and will probably always be a problem, buying something without testing it yourself is a gamble, whether it be a car, a radio, or a 10 dollar game, and its a game the seller won't lose, im not saying piracy is good, its definitely bad, but there can be some "situations". where the buyer gets burned bad.



this thread is goin straight to hell

 

[Haytch]

The war against Piracy, is like the war against drugs.

The Pirate Bay website should be shutdown, until its cleaned up of all existing pirate links and everyone involved should be allowed to walk, without a fine.

Im sure that random deletion of pirated software/games/music etc etc in the past will help their case in their future as proof that they attempted to fight piracy which was out of their control.

I see this as a precident case where some laws will be altered. Just another way for them to tie us down. It would be a sad day when torrents die.

Piracy is against the law. Sharing freeware isnt.

 

[Mussels]

The war against Piracy, is like the war against drugs.

The Pirate Bay website should be shutdown, until its cleaned up of all existing pirate links and everyone involved should be allowed to walk, without a fine.

Im sure that random deletion of pirated software/games/music etc etc in the past will help their case in their future as proof that they attempted to fight piracy which was out of their control.

I see this as a precident case where some laws will be altered. Just another way for them to tie us down. It would be a sad day when torrents die.

Piracy is against the law. Sharing freeware isnt.

Due to laws about digital data, its legal for one person and illegal for the next.
If i own a game its legal for me to download a no-CD crack and ISO image, because i am entitlted to a working backup of my purchase... however its not legal to someone who doesnt own it.

basically if they do block this they'll be taking on a lot of legit users, and thats bad for business.

 

[TheMailMan78]

In a close to perfect world I might have a bit more sympathy to your arguments. When CEO's and the politicians, who write the laws, which as you probably know and see are romping around in the same bed, what can consumers do but fight back in the only ways they can. Its a fine line called civil disobedience. Take a look around whats happening in the USA and start to connect the dots in the financial district. Can you or I Hire a Lobbyist to fight on our behalf, no but corporations can and do. Years ago Lobbying was called Influence Peddling, which was against the law. Some politicians got together and watered the old laws down and gave them a new name Lobbyists. Gave them some new regulations, another name for that is Legalized Influence Peddling. So until I see some changes in Legalized Influence peddling, I will in some way do some civil disobedience. Because the way were headed it's all I have left.
By the way TheMailMan78 did you hear that FaceBook is now laying claim to everything that is on their servers. Every sentence, picture, that you or anybody has uploaded. When Facebook first started did they have a disclaimer upfront telling you that what is put on their servers is copyrighted material that they now own. So if they decide to use your mugshot in an ad making money on their site you have no rights to it. TheMailMan78 is this what you call fair. Because the average person can't afford to fight this, they will do so and get away with it. Maybe with your legalistic point of view you might want to go and straighten Facebook out about the abuse of copyright.

Ok on your first point about CEOs and politicians in the same bed together is nothing new. That will never change. Now you doing the good fight by stealing is very honorable but stealing is stealing. Again music, games, movies etc are all a luxury and are not applicable to the laws a gouging. You are stealing something you do not need. There is nothing honorable about that. If you were taking bread for poor family's from the evil MGM studios than you can use my house to store it in. As for the Facebook rule I think its 100% far. People should read user agreements before they agree. Sorry but I have no sympathy for its "clients".

I'm just saying..If you steal a movie from piratebay it doesn't get lost.There are more copies.Steal a Lambo and it is gone.Only one can have it.Thats why it is limited and pricey.Can't you just lower the prices of Digital content?

9 bucks for an album on itunes is plenty cheap for an artist that spent years developing the skill to produce their music for you to play hundreds of times. As for the Lambo comparison my argument is 100% valid. Just because something is not "tangible" doesn't mean its not property. I mean your credit isn't tangible is it? Would you be upset if I stole it?

I'm throwing personal opinions below this paragraph. They don't reflect on TPU at all, and I'll still go deleting posts that mention 'piracy' outside of this thread.

I personally, have torrented lots of 'pirated' material. I will give very valid reasons as to why.

1. You can not return games to stores in Australia, despite being able to do so with console games. While I'm techie enough to make any game WORK, there is nothing worse than paying $120 (yes, some games here are that expensive) only to find you absolutely hate the game.
Its not like there is man demos these days - find me one for forged alliance, opposing fronts, tales of valor - oh wait those are expansion packs. how am i meant to know if i like them, if the ONLY option is to buy? (i love em and own em all legit, its an example). Then theres actually full games - crysis, far cry 2, fallout 2 - all big hits, no demos i've come across. Imagine how the average joe feels with his dell - no idea if it will work, and no refund it if doesn't.

2. Some games are not available here anymore. Cant find them locally or online - an example is jagged alliance 2. I own all the JA games, but no matter what i did i couldn't buy the expansion pack for JA2 - so i downloaded it. It didn't run properly since i was on vista64, so i saved myself the money of buying it and having it not run.

Movies/TV shows/anime.

Anime: I'm not waiting 5 years for the shows to turn up here butchered with scenes missing, and terrible translations when i half speak japanese as it is. Its no different to watching em on TV in japan and having a TiVo, is it? If it was available for cheap download like they are doing in the USA with naruto at the moment, i would pay for them. If people can do it for free, a company can do it for $1 a download, etc.

Movies: Once a movies no longer at the local cinema, i have no real option but to wait til its available for sale or rental. In the meantime i download 700MB copies of a movie and see if i like it. if i dont, i delete it. If i do, as soon as its available on DVD i buy it.

TV shows. i can watch it for free here and record it on TiVo, or with my TV tuner card... how is it any different to torrent it? i'm not getting ads, but with a TiVo or a TV tuner with modern software they get cut out anyway.

Yes what i do technically breaks certain laws... but if there are everyday practices that have happened for decades with no legal retribution such as recording radio to cassette, TV to VHS, CD to MP3, TiVo, HDTV tuner cards and so on then there is legal grounds for me to say "hey - i am allowed to do this too"

I'm going to adress each of your points putting the thought aside you are a mod

1. As a gamer I know where you are coming from on this. You can't return games once they are open from the store. Once you own them you really OWN them. That sucks. So as a younger person I could see the point of piracy. I've bought my fair share of garbage. However over the years I've learned a few things. One thing I've learned is games go down in price. I got Prey for 5 bucks. I only gambled 5 bucks on that one and it was awesome. Far Cry 2 I only paid 15 bucks for. It was well worth 15 in my book but I think I would have been disappointed if I had paid 50. Moving on to the games not working and DLing CD cracks and such I don't see a point. I never EVER had a game that just stopped working. If it did it was something I did on my end. Not the game.

2. Ebay. As for the game not running in x64 then you should have known better Some old games run like shit. You know that.

3. Movies/TV shows/anime.
Anime: Again I feel your pain on this one. However just because you don't "feel" like waiting doesn't give you the right to steal. You haven't bitched about this but a lot of jokers do on this forum. People complain about the government taking to long get in a certain service into the country. So they pirate. You know what I see? Business opportunity. Why doesn't someone start a service that imports Anime into your country? You could retire a millionaire before 40 Anyway back on topic. You are stealing instead of waiting or taking the initiative to make it happen legally. You are being lazy.

TV Shows: These things are paid for by commercials. Cutting the commercials out doesn't matter to much. Thats not stealing because its a free service. Its the same thing as recording off of the radio.

Movies: So just because you do not feel like waiting to rent something you steal it. You justify this by saying "if I like it I buy it". Come one man. Not only is this not having any patience its again STEALING.

mailman, if you think reviews are always right then thats sad, big companies pay alot of money to many reviewers to give their products a nice bump in their review to sell them

everyone has a different viewpoint on things, someone can tell you something is bad and when you play it, its awesome

and based on what you said its okay for the buyer to be ripped off and the seller to get away with it, and its not ok vice versa either, so why should that be ok.

thats what you said right

if your sitting back and thinking you have never pirated something your a fool, everyone has done it whether by accident or purposely, so why not sue everybody.
This has always been a problem and will probably always be a problem, buying something without testing it yourself is a gamble, whether it be a car, a radio, or a 10 dollar game, and its a game the seller won't lose, im not saying piracy is good, its definitely bad, but there can be some "situations". where the buyer gets burned bad.

Reviewers are supported by ads. So yeah I can see your point about them being biased. However do you think the reviews on TPU are biased? Do you think the users on this forum are biased? Time has a away of revealing a products true identity. Buying anything the day it comes out is a gamble. Waiting and educating yourself isn't. So this for an argument for pro pirating is kinda null.

Me a pirate?!? Never Man I didn't used to pay for jack. You have never met a bigger ex-thief. However once I realized how my own hard work was being stolen and I didn't see a dime I stopped. Hard work effects the mind in odd ways let me tell ya

 

[Mussels]

Mailman: your arguments and mine are the main two to this whole thing.

Basically, there is no clear, definitive answer... thats why its a morally grey area without any definitive answer.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Mailman: your arguments and mine are the main two to this whole thing.

Basically, there is no clear, definitive answer... thats why its a morally grey area without any definitive answer.

I find nothing grey about stealing.

 

[Mussels]

I find nothing grey about stealing.

depending on the country and the situation, its not always stealing.

 

[TheMailMan78]

depending on the country and the situation, its not always stealing.

Exactly what situation warrants the theft of music, games, luxury's in general?

 

[Mussels]

Exactly what situation warrants the theft of music, games, luxury's in general?

If you own a music CD, in many countries you are legally entitled to a working backup. Due to copy protection on that disk it may not be possible to directly copy it yourself, or you may not know how - so you download it.

Its theft for the person who doesnt own the disk, and a legal right for the ones who do.

 

[TechnicalFreak]

What can I say.. we have strange laws here in sweden. Actually, here is a good example:
You wake up in the middle of the night, because someone is breaking in to your home. Trying to protect your family you say break a leg of the burglar.. What happens is that the burglar will sue you for breaking his leg. What they want is you to die, or somehow call the cops. And even a cop can be sued for shooting at a burglar without a good reason.

If you find an english translated book over the swedish laws, read it - and you will laugh.

 

[TheMailMan78]

If you own a music CD, in many countries you are legally entitled to a working backup. Due to copy protection on that disk it may not be possible to directly copy it yourself, or you may not know how - so you download it.

Its theft for the person who doesnt own the disk, and a legal right for the ones who do.

Then they should have called it "Backup Bay". Come on man you know damn well what kind of service they were offering.

 

[MilkyWay]

of all people i thought youd be the one to commit suicide when pirate bay went down

you talk about fapping in public and are against piracy? wtf

 

[farlex85]

9 bucks for an album on itunes is plenty cheap for an artist that spent years developing the skill to produce their music for you to play hundreds of times. As for the Lambo comparison my argument is 100% valid. Just because something is not "tangible" doesn't mean its not property. I mean your credit isn't tangible is it? Would you be upset if I stole it?

Credit is absolutely tangible, and actually, it isn't even really yours. It essentially belongs to the various financial institutions who check it to see whether they should lend to you or not. But really, you kind of misinterpreted what I said, tangibility is only part of the equation.

Music is another way of talking, another expression of self, another medium with which one can extend oneself (and any other various interpretation you may have of music). Now, some people pay to see that in certain circumstances (shows, seminars, newspapers, art galleries, ect). Newspapers are a great example, newspapers are starting to go under b/c of the internet, people can get what they get from newspapers for free on the internet. Why? B/c the need for print stations, paper boys, paper, ect. is no longer needed, hence the cost is no longer the same. Some of the writers on the internet are still paid for their services, some do it for free. The companies that make newspapers must now think of new alternatives to making money (perhaps the new device amazon has will be one), but they can't just fight everyone saying don't read that for free pay me for it.

 

[Mussels]

Then they should have called it "Backup Bay". Come on man you know damn well what kind of service they were offering.

well, i dont go to pirate bay anyway. its full of fakes, viruses, and other crap.

 

[DaMulta]

well, i dont go to pirate bay anyway. its full of fakes, viruses, and other crap.

BS I have never one time had a virus from them, I rarely get any fakes. I get more fakes with other sites.

Besides name another torrent site that uses SSL?

I loves piratebay!

 

[Mussels]

BS I have never one time had a virus from them, I rarely get any fakes. I get more fakes with other sites.

Besides name another torrent site that uses SSL?

I loves piratebay!

well, naming my torrent sites would get me banned gotta live private trackers.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

BS I have never one time had a virus from them, I rarely get any fakes. I get more fakes with other sites.

Besides name another torrent site that uses SSL?

I loves piratebay!

Well mininova.org uses RSS which is very handy..

well, i dont go to pirate bay anyway. its full of fakes, viruses, and other crap.

Virus alerts are false positives and are only from over-sensitive heuristics due to a similar hash check in certain code like trainers, patches, and keygens that have certain properties.

 

[elite.ire]

its bs imo.. they were conviceted with something redicilious like accesory to providing copyright infringement services or something ? :S, tpb is just a torrent serch engine they dont host the torrents themselves so there not actually doing anything illegal in that respect...