TPU's Core i7 Overclocking and Feedback

[Binge]

What about two?

I wouldn't trust MY i7 with swiftech rads. Use as many as you want, but there are better products.

 

[Jupiter]

Something very strange YET very cool. The cool thing is using the
latest bios on my Asus P6TD v1 i can now set the multi to 21 manually.
The strange thing is that at idle i get a 22 multi and on load i get 21.
IDLE:

LOAD:

 

[N4cot1c]

I wouldn't trust MY i7 with swiftech rads. Use as many as you want, but there are better products.

SO a pa120.3 is better than two MCR320's? I don't get it. Didn't you used to have a GTZ until you got the HK WB?

 

[Binge]

SO a pa120.3 is better than two MCR320's? I don't get it. Didn't you used to have a GTZ until you got the HK WB?

What's your point? I said Swiftech RADS. Furthermore, when I bought the GTZ it was the only water block on the market that had a 1366 bracket. I adopted the i7 VERY early, and yes a PA 120.3 would beat 2xMCR320. I don't even use a PA 120.3 anymore.

 

[Thrackan]

With Binge here, while Swiftech make excellent blocks, their rads are definately lacking.
My personal preference are Feser radiators, but Thermochill is undoubtedly good stuff as well.

I'm not charmed by HW labs rads either by the way.
What I really want to know is what quality all these German brands make. Seems the krauts are damn good at cooling stuff.

 

[N4cot1c]

Oh ok. Thanks for the suggestion. Just trying to weigh in on peoples opinions and stuff. Jus trying to really see if two 320's are better than this http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/hwlablicegtb4.html

 

[N4cot1c]

Hows the MORA2 working for you binge? I'm trying to find soething feasale to fit in my case. I don't think that will work. How about a XSPC480?

 

[Binge]

Hows the MORA2 working for you binge? I'm trying to find soething feasale to fit in my case. I don't think that will work. How about a XSPC480?

You MIGHT be able to fit a Fesser MONSTA but not a 480. XSPC has QC controls, but if you're ok with that then you can use it. The MO-RA 2 cools without any issues, and it could take a much larger heat load than the i7, that is why I'll be adding a separate loop for a GTX295 watercooled while still using the MO-RA as my only radiator.

 

[N4cot1c]

my case is pretty big. Extended full tower. I'll take some measurements.

 

[SystemViper]

What's your point? I said Swiftech RADS. Furthermore, when I bought the GTZ it was the only water block on the market that had a 1366 bracket. I adopted the i7 VERY early, and yes a PA 120.3 would beat 2xMCR320. I don't even use a PA 120.3 anymore.

now that is a bet i might take,

I find that very hard to believe, i'll have to get some
of the match up results that i remember seeing last year...
while better, saying it's better then 2 is quite a lot.

 

[Chicken Patty]

Thing with HW lab radiators is that most people don't use them with the appropiate fans, including msyelf. I found that my fans are not very appropiate for it to be efficient. They are however very good rads IMO.

 

[Baer]

Is not turbo active only on core one?

 

[Binge]

now that is a bet i might take,

I find that very hard to believe, i'll have to get some
of the match up results that i remember seeing last year...
while better, saying it's better then 2 is quite a lot.

Reason I say so is because of flow rates & fans you'll have to use to get the same results.

my case is pretty big. Extended full tower. I'll take some measurements.

TJ-07?

 

[N4cot1c]

xclio 1000.

Just took some measurements. Fits on the bottom with slight modding. Good to know. Should I have fans pulling, pushing, or both?

 

[mudkip]

I need a D0

 

[Tatty_Two]

cool, look forward to reading that article. Thats an interesting test though.

Cant find the article (yet) but here is another (from Trt's siggie) that shows some numbers to substantiate it, I will keep on looking though because the article I read showing turbo mode was better perforrmance wise in most things was in more detail but this should give you an idea on this page here...............

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/fe...ing_guide_we_push_nehalem_its_limits?page=0,2

 

[SystemViper]

Reason I say so is because of flow rates & fans you'll have to use to get the same results.



TJ-07?

Here is the results from Martin who did some mgreat testing last year...

Plus remember the PA120.3 is over 2x the cost of the MCR320

I felt this is of great importence since everybody always assumes that it's a big advantage with a PA120.3
but all it is is costing you over twice what you pay for the swiftech and you'll benifit 10-15% if your lucky....

ARTICLE HERE

How does it compare to other radiators
I currently don't have any other "slim triple" radiators results I can share with you and compare, but the MCR320 performs exceptionally well for the price point and size. It actually performs very well and not all that far behind my Thermochill PA120.3 results which is a highly regarded and proven well performing radiator.

Here is a quick comparison to the PA120.3

The double thickness PA120.3 is performing better across all fans, with it's greatest advantage with Ultra High Speed fans.


So, as expected the double thickness PA120.3 is superior, but the difference is smaller than I was expecting. From my results I only measured somewhere between 6-14%, and I had expected it to be more in the 20-30% range, based on forum discussion and a few reviews.

I have to question my results as I just don't like surprises without checking it and still learning about this type of testing. To do that I went back to Thermochill's site and looked a little more closely at their c/w curves at the bottom of their technical page. This testing was done by Bill Adams who I've followed in his work and respect and trust his results moreso than my own, he really is the king of testing and knowledge. What I found was the very bottom c/w graph just so happens to compare and contrast an MCR220 and a PA120.2 on the same curve. Granted that's a double to double comparison, but I would still expect their relative performance percentages to be similar or close. Using the Nexxus fans (which is essentially yate loons at 1000RPM) I could extract roughly the following values:

PA120.2, c/w = .0475, 10C delta = 211 watts
MCR220, c/w = .05, 10C delta = 200 watts

To calculate the 10C delta, you just need to follow units by taking the inverse and multiplying by the delta. For example if c/w =.05, then w/c = 1/.05 = 20 watts/celsius degree. For 10 degrees, that's 20 w/c * 10c = 200w.

While it's hard getting anything very accurate from reading a chart, assuming it's close enough for a rough check...that still calculates out to about a 6% difference, and I measured about an 8% difference with 1000RPM fans on the triple radiators. So overall, I'm content with my results meeting a reasonable check.

So.... with lower speed 1000 RPM fans, the PA120.3 will dissipate somewhere around 6-8% more heat than the MCR320, and that percentage raises up to about 14% as the fan performance increases and the extra thickness is better utilized. The MCR320 is really a great radiator for it's compact size and performs much better than I expected. I attribute this to two things, one is the larger frontal surface area than many standard triple radiators, this extra frontal area provides a great benefit. In addition the MCR320 (14.6FPI) has about 40% more fin density than the PA120.3(10.2FPI) per my counting across the length of the radiator. I didn't notice this upon initial inspection, but this prompted me to count fins across the entire length of the radiator. So while the PA has the additional surface area with double the thickness, the MCR makes up for some of that with more surface area in the first 21mm thickness.

And to take this information and apply some assumed heat loads, it would look something like this:

So to my point, for most of your applications, save you cash and get the swifty tripple rad rather the nthe PA 120.3

 

[Binge]

Nevermind. I thought they retailed for $65+ seeing them for $45 does make the point a LOT more valid.

 

[PaulieG]

How much IS the swifty? The PA 120.3 is only $95.

Like half that.

http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCR320-QP-K-Triple-120mm-Radiator-pr-3320.html

 

[Binge]

Edited. I still need to point out that I wouldn't go for less. Sorry to split hairs, but every degree counts in my book.

Like half that.

http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCR320-QP-K-Triple-120mm-Radiator-pr-3320.html

Better prices from Sidewinder. http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swqupora.html

 

[N4cot1c]

Well then two should be wayyyy better than a pa120.3. Thanks for the info SystemViper. Marin sure does do some great testing. I think I am only going to pick up one MCR320 for now and get another later.

 

[t_ski]

I love my MCR-320-QP. I wonder how well the new stackable Swiftech rads work. A bit pricey though

 

[PaulieG]

Edited. I still need to point out that I wouldn't go for less. Sorry to split hairs, but every degree counts in my book.



Better prices from Sidewinder. http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swqupora.html

Yup, I just did a 30 sec search for the post. I'd generally buy from Gary at Sidewinder too. He's the man.

 

[SystemViper]

I have to say i love to get every degree, but i always felt that te PA 120.3' were over hyped and overpriced. I would see people telling some newbie's that they should get a PA 120.3 when a swifty would be fine, paying ove 2x for only a 5% to 15% gain at best seems pretty shoddy to me,,,(not Talking about anyone here)


But thanks for bringing up the Stakables T-ski, i forgot all about them....

Very interesting product.... very interesting...

 

[N4cot1c]

Yep thats what I was planning on getting. What do you guys use for tightening barbs?