The Pirate Bay in Legal Soup, Owners Fined and Jailed

[FryingWeesel]

I feel over charged for a lot of things. Theft never crossed my mind however.

im sure he ment digital content, not gas for your car and chips/beer/cars/exct.

for me its a function of them over charging+giving me shit support(videogames) as well as them expecting me to re-buy the same damn movie over and over every time they change the format or the disk gos bad(i have 4+ dbl sided dvd's that dont read properly anymore due to layer sepration, they want 15-20bucks+shiping to replace the defective disks...)

 

[DaedalusHelios]

yeah and if a car sales man tells you that dumping some sawdust in your engin block will make it knock less your gonna belive them to.....

i been doing this for years, the number of people i see that get letters when RUNNING PG2 with FULLY UPDATED LISTS is far higher then that of people who dont run that crap.

as to hacks/cracks, NOBODY CARES ABOUT HACKS and CRACKS.

but hey, enjoy your slow download speeds AND huge false sence of security, i tryed to help, i even gave a link with HIGHLY detailed explination of why PG2 sucks and is utterly useless.

corse anybody whos been in "the scene" or saling the high seas of the intranetz under belly very long already knows that pg2 isnt gonna stop all the spys the riaa/mpaa/exct pay to download this shit just to log your ip addy(its nolonger just done from company offices, its mostly done from HOMES now.

i will have to show some people off the noid irc your posts....they will enjoy the lulz of yet another ***** thinking pg2 is saving them from getting a letter!!!

I have never used peerguardian. I was just saying it was good and I have never gotten a "letter". You obviously are stretching it out of proportion with the sawdust comment.

Peergaurdian is not for IRC. You are not an official on the matter.

Perhaps you can debate the topic with a little more class when you grow up and stop acting like an "internet tough guy".

 

[IcrushitI]

I feel over charged for a lot of things. Theft never crossed my mind however.

Mailman you just don't see the bigger picture of why millions feel stepped on and why they are committing civil disobedience. Let me shorten the last quote a little more for your benefit. I don't steal, I'm trying to explain why others may be committing civil disobedience.
"the injustice and exploitation of cartels (RIAA, MPAA) who have used their influence in government to enact laws which makes their own consumers thieves."

 

[FryingWeesel]

I been around a long time, I get tired of "stupid kids" telling people to do stuff that wont help them AT ALL and infact will make them do risky reckless things thinking they are protected.

as to the saw dust, I have seen used car sales men use tricks like putting fine saw dust into the engin block/oil to stop knocking so they could sell a car with a blown motor without the person being able to hear that the engins blown, there are other such dirty tricks people pull as well, but i wont get into them, as it may give you or somebody else here bad ideas.

back on the pg2 (and other such apps) topic, they give nothing more then a false sence of security, like wraping ur crank in plastic wrap and calling it a condom.......

 

[DaedalusHelios]

Mailman you just don't see the bigger picture of why millions feel stepped on and why they are committing civil disobedience. Let me shorten the last quote a little more for your benefit. I don't steal, I'm trying to explain why others may be committing civil disobedience.
"the injustice and exploitation of cartels (RIAA, MPAA) who have used their influence in government to enact laws which makes their own consumers thieves."

Disney was the one who extended copyrights to a rediculous amount. That kind of stuff really hurts creativity in my opinion. Its unfortunate that Disney and the RIAA have so much power in our government. So I agree with you on that.

I been around a long time, I get tired of "stupid kids" telling people to do stuff that wont help them AT ALL and infact will make them do risky reckless things thinking they are protected.

as to the saw dust, I have seen used car sales men use tricks like putting fine saw dust into the engin block/oil to stop knocking so they could sell a car with a blown motor without the person being able to hear that the engins blown, there are other such dirty tricks people pull as well, but i wont get into them, as it may give you or somebody else here bad ideas.

back on the pg2 (and other such apps) topic, they give nothing more then a false sence of security, like wraping ur crank in plastic wrap and calling it a condom.......

It makes sense with car salesmen scamming people because they have something to gain from it. It makes no sense for the people cracking and releasing content to tell you to use a free program that helps in no situation. I am saying that I am not an official on the matter so you might be right as I have said earlier in the thread. Also that people that do the releases often times insist on using it. I just don't think that it serves no purpose to use the program. I am sure in some cases it helps people, just not me because I have never used it. And some cases it might not help at all because every protection can be breached eventually.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Civil disobedience is when you do something that defies a law that directly effects you in context. Unfair Taxes, 20 bucks for a gallon of milk. Things of this nature. Not the retail of a music CD. A luxuary item. You guys are not seeing the big picture. You can charge WHATEVER you want for a luxuary item. If they limit this than they can limit EVERYTHING. Including your wages.

The pirate bay was a service to help you steal. Nothing more. Calling it something righteous like "Civil disobedience" doesn't make it any less of a theft.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

Civil disobedience is when you do something that defies a law that directly effects you in context. Unfair Taxes, 20 bucks for a gallon of milk. Things of this nature. Not the retail of a music CD. A luxuary item. You guys are not seeing the big picture. You can charge WHATEVER you want for a luxuary item. If they limit this than they can limit EVERYTHING. Including your wages.

The pirate bay was a service to help you steal. Nothing more. Calling it something righteous like "Civil disobedience" doesn't make it any less of a theft.

But do you believe Google can be used the same?

If so many search engines would have to be sued aswell.

 

[TheMailMan78]

But do you believe Google can be used the same?

If so many search engines would have to be sued aswell.

Googles sole purpose is not to steal. Pirate Bay was always meant to be used this way. They bragged about it. THAT is why they got epic pwnage.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

Googles sole purpose is not to steal. Pirate Bay was always meant to be used this way. They bragged about it. THAT is why they got epic pwnage.

Yeah, I guess its in the name.

But many non copyrighted works went up on Pirate bay. It wasn't just for illegal content.

I just think its not a big deal to have a bunch of poor kids and whatnot downloading stuff for free. I don't think it hurts these companies enough to be able to sue everybody for subpar copies.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Yeah, I guess its in the name.

But many non copyrighted works went up on Pirate bay. It wasn't just for illegal content.

I just think its not a big deal to have a bunch of poor kids and whatnot downloading stuff for free. I don't think it hurts these companies enough to be able to sue everybody for subpar copies.

The problem man is stealing is stealing. Poor kids or not. I mean if they can afford a computer and internet access than they ain't that poor.

 

[FryingWeesel]

The problem man is stealing is stealing. Poor kids or not. I mean if they can afford a computer and internet access than they ain't that poor.

question, whats your definition of theft/stealing?

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Theft

The term theft is sometimes used synonymously with Larceny. Theft, however, is actually a broader term, encompassing many forms of deceitful taking of property, including swindling, Embezzlement, and False Pretenses. Some states categorize all these offenses under a single statutory crime of theft.

sorry but p2p/file SHARING dosnt consist of "taking of property" it consists of COPYING bits of data from one/many systems to one/many others, nothing is TAKEN or STOLEN.

Im being very literal here, because the law, its intents and how its implemented are two very differnt things, If you got enough money you can get away with literally anything, OR cause somebody to be found guilty of anything as well.

the US leigal system is quite flawed, its better then many places, but still, its more about "who has the most $ wins the case" or "he who has the $ makes the rules"

I know this is true in other places around the world as well, money and political power are far to much a part of this world......

as to the pg2 crap, dude, i haven't seen any NFO/readme/exct mention it in years, other then to say it was useless and would slow down your downloads so dont use it.(most of the addys blocked are residential dynamic ip's, so blocking them is silly since from day to day anybody could have that addy.)

read the link i provided, it will explain fully why pg2 is worthless.

hell u want funny, at one point pg2 has its own update server blacklisted so u couldnt update it, if you had it running ROFL

 

[DaedalusHelios]

The problem man is stealing is stealing. Poor kids or not. I mean if they can afford a computer and internet access than they ain't that poor.

Thats rather subjective. Being under the poverty line is making less than $16,000 in the US. $16,000 could buy a computer....

 

[mdm-adph]

Googles sole purpose is not to steal. Pirate Bay was always meant to be used this way. They bragged about it. THAT is why they got epic pwnage.

Well, as long as you're cool with Mininova, then you're right. Otherwise, no.

Though the argument of "sole purpose" is full of holes, and I've never liked it. I've seen the same argument used against newsgroups (their "sole purpose" is child porn!) and IRC (their "sole purpose" is, uhh, child porn!).

 

[TheMailMan78]

Well, as long as you're cool with Mininova, then you're right. Otherwise, no.

Though the argument of "sole purpose" is full of holes, and I've never liked it. I've seen the same argument used against newsgroups (their "sole purpose" is child porn!) and IRC (their "sole purpose" is, uhh, child porn!).

mdm-adph! Only you would bring child porn into this conversation.

 

[FryingWeesel]

did somebody say pedobear?

since i found these with google that must be all googles for, is pedobear pix!!!!

 

[IcrushitI]

Civil disobedience is when you do something that defies a law that directly effects you in context. Unfair Taxes, 20 bucks for a gallon of milk. Things of this nature. Not the retail of a music CD. A luxuary item. You guys are not seeing the big picture. You can charge WHATEVER you want for a luxuary item. If they limit this than they can limit EVERYTHING. Including your wages.

The pirate bay was a service to help you steal. Nothing more. Calling it something righteous like "Civil disobedience" doesn't make it any less of a theft.

Here is another definition of Civil Disobedience:

Philosophy Dictionary: civil disobedience
"The political tactic of disobeying a law deliberately, in order to bring about some change. The disobedience should ideally be public, non-violent, and committed by activists willing to face the penalties of the law."
Does that not describe what TPB is doing, or anybody else that is fighting through whatever means because the law is unjust and favors a select few that have the wealth to influence, through lobbying (influence peddling) the politicians.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

question, whats your definition of theft/stealing?

If you have an object and I take it from you, that is stealing. You no longer have said object, I do. With digitized content and lossless, virtually free copying of data, even if I take it from you, you still have it. How is that stealing? The only way it is stealing is if you feel entitled to compensation for me copying it. The legal questions is: do you deserve compensation for something you didn't actually lose?

If Google gets taken to court, I hope they win saying that copying digital content, so long as it isn't for profit, is legal. That is, if person A downloads music for themselves, it isn't a crime. If person A downloads music, burns it to a disk, and sells the disks to person B, C, and D, it is illegal due to forgery of the content (new author).

If Google loses the case, then the next thing they'll go after backing up anything. If they succeed with making backups illegal, then say good bye to the "Copy" function in computers. If they succeed there, say good bye to your computer (because memory operations are illegal which all Intel processors do on the lowest level).

Where does it stop?

 

[DaMulta]

Did you know that you can use google to only pull up torrents?

Programs?

ISOs

you name it.

YOU Do not have to pull up website to download from google.

Go to google and search like this

intitle:"index.of" (MP3|mp4|AVI|ISO) what you are looking for type here -html -htm - php -asp -cf -jsp

 

[FryingWeesel]

you can google for file downloads leigal and illegal, direct downloads, ftp lists, on and on, oh yeah and news/nbz listings :O

 

[DaMulta]

you can google for file downloads leigal and illegal, direct downloads, ftp lists, on and on, oh yeah and news/nbz listings :O

just like piratebay which might i add also has LEGAL THINGS on their site.

 

[DrPepper]

just like piratebay which might i add also has LEGAL THINGS on their site.

Indeed I just downloaded the new battlefield 1.5 beta patch in mere seconds.

 

[IcrushitI]

you can google for file downloads leigal and illegal, direct downloads, ftp lists, on and on, oh yeah and news/nbz listings :O

Since Google has everything that TPB does and and shall I say, more than we are aware of, you would of thought the RIAA and MPAA would be all over Google, but shall I say, Google has deep pockets and possibly have a few politicians in their pockets. All the RIAA have shown is that they only go after grannies, kids, dead people, students, and small torrent sites not the big torrent sites like Google.
If I was you Mailman I'd be spreading you thoughts to your Congressman and go as diligently as you have here and get Google shut down.

 

[imperialreign]

The pirate bay was a service to help you steal. Nothing more.

partially agree - it's a torrent site, and merely passes along the information necessary for your rig to download a torrent from someone else's rig . . . nothing on the site's servers.


It's the equivalent, IMHO, of walking up to someone and asking "hey, you know where I can get a hold of some red?" and that person responding "no, I don't mess with that crap - but if you go check out my buddy down the road . . . he can hook you up."

Can someone be held legally accountable for illegal drug trade just because they know someone who is in the business . . . even though they've never touched the stuff in their life?

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Apparently so. It's wrong but it's in Sweden so what can we do about it? Hell, it happened here too with a lot of "demo" groups getting taken down...and Kazaa...and eDonkey...and Napster. I'd say it's anti-new-technology on the Government's (not just USA either--international) behalf for not stepping in and stopping it. Which begs another question: When is UDP and TCP, the base framework for transmitting digital information, going to become illegal?

Again, when does it stop?

 

[imperialreign]

Apparently so. It's wrong but it's in Sweden so what can we do about it? Hell, it happened here too with a lot of "demo" groups getting taken down...and Kazaa...and eDonkey.

well - that's part of the problem in the US . . .

make the issue public enough, and glamorize only one side of it - and everyone stops thinking . . .

look at Napster, for example . . .