The Pirate Bay in Legal Soup, Owners Fined and Jailed

[Triprift]

Yep thats the western world for you the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and every year the gap between the two seems to get bigger.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

Yep thats the western world for you the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and every year the gap between the two seems to get bigger.

That happens in all modern civilizations until a revolution. Revolutions are awful though.

 

[troyrae360]

That happens in all modern civilizations until a revolution. Revolutions are awful though.

well what about a mini revalotion, well more like in protest,we make a screener explning how we are all getting fukd over, we download the latest 5 blobkbusters, befor they are released, add the screener, burn 50 copys each and delever them into peoples letterboxs similtainsley over night.
it might cost all us TPU users 20-50 dollers but it would be a great thing to do for socitey

 

[FryingWeesel]

Viva la Revolucion!

 

[DaedalusHelios]

Viva la Revolucion!

Yeah, it was awful..... Davis and Arnold are bad.

 

[TheMailMan78]

so you have no problem with ISOhunt then? because it was started as a simple torrent indexing and searching service reguardless of these "intellectual properties rights" people like you are so fond of.

Hate to tell you this but the mere concept of such rights dosnt excist in many cultures.

The problem with people like you is that you think that because you created something that you should have to give your permission for them to even take a photo of it or to copy it, when infact the world thrives on copying , look at china, that place THRIVES on making clones/copy's of stuff other people create/invent.

Current copyright laws are NOT built for the world we live in, they where writen by greedy men who wanted to be payed every time sombody even viewed something they owned the copyright on be it a movie, music, or hell a damn picture.

there are plenty of articals about ways to fix the copyright and IP laws in this country/world, but people like you wouldnt like it because it would mean you having to give up some(not all but some) right to you work.

the fact is that if people like you dont adapt, your just gonna get runover by the buss, and as i see it, theres no real loss there, people who cant/wont adapt are bad for the human race and would have died by being mauled by an animal or from exposure to to much sun or cold because they couldnt adapt to changing conditions.(ok could have starved because they refused to adapt to moving of game animals as well)

people should be compensated for their work, but not forever and IMHO things even software should go "public domain" after a set number of years, there are alot of older games that people would love to fix or re-make due to bugs but they cant because companys like atari and VUG hold onto the IP rights with a steal glove dispite admiting they never expect to make another game based on said IP rights because theres no profit in it for them.

How is it fair to sell a game for ful retail, after pushing it out MONTHS early then not fixing it because you already got the bulk of your $ out of it, and when the community wants to fix it telling them in effect to "fuck off" because you own the "IP" for said game????


blah, i will come back to this i gotta helps somebody update his seagate hdd's

I wonder if I should destroy this argument or not. I mean this guy was banned already? Would anyone care to hear a rebuttal or let this thing just die

Also why was this guy banned anyway?

 

[Mussels]

I wonder if I should destroy this argument or not. I mean this guy was banned already? Would anyone care to hear a rebuttal or let this thing just die

Also why was this guy banned anyway?

we dont discuss bans in public.

 

[TheMailMan78]

we dont discuss bans in public.

Sorry. I just didn't see his coming thats all. Meet me in the bathroom. I wanna know.

 

[DrPepper]

Hate to tell you this but the mere concept of such rights dosnt excist in many cultures.

Which culture is the most successful on the planet ? Capitilism.

The problem with people like you is that you think that because you created something that you should have to give your permission for them to even take a photo of it or to copy it, when infact the world thrives on copying , look at china, that place THRIVES on making clones/copy's of stuff other people create/invent.

So say you buy a car and according to your logic everyone is allowed to use it for whatever they want without your permission just because its yours and not theirs.

Current copyright laws are NOT built for the world we live in, they where writen by greedy men who wanted to be payed every time sombody even viewed something they owned the copyright on be it a movie, music, or hell a damn picture.

Just because they are old doesn't mean they don't apply. These people are greedy in your eyes but they worked hard to earn that money and this is just jelousy on your part that your not one of these people. I envy these people who earn so much money because they work hard for it and they deserve every penny they earn.

people should be compensated for their work, but not forever and IMHO things even software should go "public domain" after a set number of years, there are alot of older games that people would love to fix or re-make due to bugs but they cant because companys like atari and VUG hold onto the IP rights with a steal glove dispite admiting they never expect to make another game based on said IP rights because theres no profit in it for them.

Its thier software they can do as they please with it. If they chose to make it public domain that's their choice. They shouldn't be forced to do what you want becuase you don't want to pay for it.

How is it fair to sell a game for ful retail, after pushing it out MONTHS early then not fixing it because you already got the bulk of your $ out of it, and when the community wants to fix it telling them in effect to "fuck off" because you own the "IP" for said game???

How is it fair that you suddenly have the right to steal their own work

 

[TheMailMan78]

Dr. Pepper I just found out he was trollin. Don't waste your time. Anyway thanks for the backup

 

[DrPepper]

Dr. Pepper I just found out he was trollin. Don't waste your time. Anyway thanks for the backup

I wish there were a few tall buildings I could throw myself off.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I wish there were a few tall buildings I could throw myself off.

 

[wakawakawaka]

I wish there were a few tall buildings I could throw myself off.

i would pay to see that!!!

 

[DrPepper]

i would pay to see that!!!

It will cost you to watch it though but if your a pirate then you'd probably just film it and torrent it because I want to make money out of something I made at my own expense

 

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

i would pay to see that!!!

om nom nom

 

[DrPepper]

Most of this thread is made up of excuses for piracy. I mean why can't we just say yes we are stealing instead of making it about civil rights etc.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Because Michael Jackson didn't molest those children. He made love to them.

 

[DrPepper]

Because Michael Jackson didn't molest those children. He made love to them.

Wasn't he found innocent so technically he didn't in the eyes of they law
I've downloaded stuff and yes I'd admit its wrong. Why did I do it ? I can't afford it right now and I will get it later but that doesn't excuse me or anyone.

 

[wakawakawaka]

I do have a question for you guys tho.

In what other market is it perfectly fine to sell defective or incomplete products, promising a fix, and then not produce said fix?

If I where to do that at any of the jobs I have had Not only would I have been out of business, I would be in jail for fraud, yet software companies are allowed to get away with and the customer has zero recourse, you can request a refund, but good luck getting it, best i have ever managed to get out of them is a voucher to get a free game or a discount on a game....

I feel its bs that they can do that, and we cant return defective products to the store directly for an instant refund.

but I know you feel its all good and well after all, they made the software/game, they have the right to not Finnish or support it and to keep our money in the process.

as to the stuff about old games and apps, those companies are no loosing any money by them being made public domain, since by the time that would happen, the game would be so old very few people would be playing it and nobody would be buying it.

a great example is the game starsiege, Dynamix was never allowed to finish the game, they where taken off the project and told to put more effort into tribes patches, the games where on the same engine, and alot of the updates could have been ported over to starsiege(updated/fixed open gl rendering for example) but sierra/vug didnt want that, starsiege wasnt selling well anymore, so they dumped it, dispite a community that ended up out living most games of its age(came out in 98 and still has online players today)

If there was a 10 year copyright limit where after 10 years games/apps became public domain(not their source just the app) then somebody could update the game or even make a new version of it.

Now the way I see it, if the parent company is making games based on the older works/ip then there could be room for an extension, but really why would it be needed, they still aren't gonna be loosing anything by people having free access to a 10 year old game are they?

now to look at your logic even deeper, shouldn't the person who created the code be the one who has all rights to it, even if they where payed for it, this is by your logic.

just as a company should have forever rights to own and control anything they "create" shouldn't the person who actually created said product have the rights to it, no them being payed doesn't count, because even if i payed for a game/app by your logic my using a cracked exe file is piracy and illegal, because according to the EULA i dont own anything, im effectively renting the game/software from the company.

oh and little FYI, I have yet to see a major case where anybody was forced to live up to a EULA, enlarge because you cant read it b4 you open the package, making it an illegal contract(you agree to the eula the second you open the package, because you CANT return the software once its been opened.)

just wana know if you are willing to follow your own logic all the way, and if you feel its any more or less ethical to sell something thats defective/broken, promise to fix it, and then cut and run once you have peoples money then it is to copy games either via p2p or the like?

 

[btarunr]

^Very nice points there, though software packages usually have URL to EULA printed on them if they have a "Once opened you agree to the EULA" clause.

Microsoft Windows EULA says that if you declined to the agreement, you could return the software to the retailer for a full refund.

 

[Perra]

http://www.icmpecho.com/2009/04/23/qp-judge-in-tpb-trial-has-conflicting-interests/

http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/International/nyhetssidor/artikel.asp?ProgramID=2054&format=1&artikel=2786591

Big surprise there eh? :shadedshu

Guess i'm voting pirate next election, Yarr!

 

[DrPepper]

now to look at your logic even deeper, shouldn't the person who created the code be the one who has all rights to it, even if they where payed for it, this is by your logic.

No you are allowed to sell your IP to others for money. When these people start working for a publisher they will be told anything they create will be property of said publisher and their wages or salary is thier payment for creating this property. Since the IP was created on a publishers property e.g thier studios and hardware then yes it is the publishers.

just as a company should have forever rights to own and control anything they "create" shouldn't the person who actually created said product have the rights to it, no them being payed doesn't count, because even if i payed for a game/app by your logic my using a cracked exe file is piracy and illegal, because according to the EULA i dont own anything, im effectively renting the game/software from the company.

When you pay for a game your not paying for the rights to the IP you are paying for the right to use it as the publisher see's fit. So yes by our logic them being payed does count, they signed a contract.

oh and little FYI, I have yet to see a major case where anybody was forced to live up to a EULA, enlarge because you cant read it b4 you open the package, making it an illegal contract(you agree to the eula the second you open the package, because you CANT return the software once its been opened.)

I agree the EULA is messed up because you can't return it.

just wana know if you are willing to follow your own logic all the way, and if you feel its any more or less ethical to sell something thats defective/broken, promise to fix it, and then cut and run once you have peoples money then it is to copy games either via p2p or the like?

The thing is the publishers don't promise it will work on your pc so it isn't fraud. Games that have flaws are just like cars that have flaws. It isn't broken it just needs improved. If they say it WILL work on every pc everywhere and it doesn't that is fraud.

 

[Mussels]

The thing is the publishers don't promise it will work on your pc so it isn't fraud. Games that have flaws are just like cars that have flaws. It isn't broken it just needs improved. If they say it WILL work on every pc everywhere and it doesn't that is fraud.

This is the only part of your post i disagree with.

They do have to sell a product "fit for purpose", if they sell a game with certain requriements on the box that you meet - then the game has to run. Examples here would be games that constantly crash, or games that dont work on a supposedly supported operating system.
(I have definately seen many things online for games that wont install on OS's other than XP, BFME II: rise of the witch king requires a community patch to install under vista, for example)

 

[wakawakawaka]

^Very nice points there, though software packages usually have URL to EULA printed on them if they have a "Once opened you agree to the EULA" clause.

Microsoft Windows EULA says that if you declined to the agreement, you could return the software to the retailer for a full refund.

hate to tell you this m8, but in the states they DO NOT TAKE IT BACK, the store wont take back any software you have opened PERIOD, they MAY let you exchange it for another one, that they open b4 you can leave the store.

Most software sold in the states(usa) is "if you opened the box, you agreed to the eula" so your pretty much screwed. you have the "right" to send the software back to the publisher with a receipt and they are spota pay you back but many of them do it via vouchers for anoter game or app, or the like.

effectivly , once you pay for it, and open it, your stuck with it.

I hear the UK has better laws, as to most other countrys, but well, I know all to well how it works in the states.

 

[DrPepper]

This is the only part of your post i disagree with.

They do have to sell a product "fit for purpose", if they sell a game with certain requriements on the box that you meet - then the game has to run. Examples here would be games that constantly crash, or games that dont work on a supposedly supported operating system.
(I have definately seen many things online for games that wont install on OS's other than XP, BFME II: rise of the witch king requires a community patch to install under vista, for example)

Well they don't promise it won't crash. As long as it runs even if it is badly on the said machine then they aren't doing anything wrong legally. I disagree with that myself but I was being unbiased. I think these companies should at least feel obligated to fix these things like other software companies do.

I hear the UK has better laws, as to most other countrys, but well, I know all to well how it works in the states.

Last time I checked in the UK it was just as bad.