NVIDIA Plans GT300 Demos in September

[Deleted member 24505]

AnnCore,show me your e-boobs and i'll give ya $50.

 

[jaydeejohn]

I think that the problem is, if people are willing to wait til this demo, and then wait again til release means theyve already made up their minds, and its pointless to show merit for other alternatives.
Its also pointless to show that this may be just alot of paper or whatever, taking the above into consideration, as well as we really dont know what nVidia has up its sleeves.
I know one thing, if I was neutral, and didnt really care about which card I want, Id be upset if nVidia didnt come thru as quickly as ATI on this, as nVidia is basically copying ATIs act, and thus, should follow thru like ATI as well, and if nVidia doesnt, call it a squeaky wheel taking up my time and frustrating me

 

[<<Onafets>>]

nades for nvidia!
XD

Told ya theyd make a comeback!

 

[wolf]

Never ever a dull moment in this market

can't wait till September

 

[Steevo]

Eh, I have to disagree. Sure the graphics on GTAIV were better than the previous titles, but the best textures in the world don't help with immersion if they are being drawn on the building as you walk up to it...

As for the gameplay, GTA always has fun gameplay, the problem I had with GTAIV was this horrible thing called Games for Windows Live. I didn't play the game for about a month, then I go back, only to discover I can't load any of my saves. After investigation, I find that the files are still there, but I can't load them, because GFWL doesn't view those saves as mine (belonging to my account), and God forbid I play a saved game that isn't mine.... cause that would mean control over the product I own. No, can't have that...



Bugs the crap out of me. With all the graphical glitches it has. I can think of many games that I would peg as "having nicer graphics". So really the gameplay was the only redeeming feature for me. That is why if the next GTA game involves Games for Windows Live, I will not be touching it...

I have done it, you just have to know what to do. I pulled my files from my last install into this one with a different GFWL ID and they run fine.


If you have texture loading problems you need more vmem or a faster HDD, or more system memory, or faster system memory, or to update from XP for better memory handling.


Yes I know alot of people had/have issues with GTA4 and cry about it, but here I am with supposed "inferior" hardware and play it at 40+FPS at high resolution and have only had a couple hiccups. So something is wrong with this equasion.


Is it your Intel CPU? (Isn't Intel faster than AMD.......)
Is it your GPU? (Isn't a 4870 faster than a 4850?)
Is it your harddrive?
Is it your OS?



Choose one.

 

[CDdude55]

If you have texture loading problems you need more vmem or a faster HDD, or more system memory, or faster system memory, or to update from XP for better memory handling.

Some people can't afford to upgrade for one game.

Yes I know alot of people had/have issues with GTA4 and cry about it, but here I am with supposed "inferior" hardware and play it at 40+FPS at high resolution and have only had a couple hiccups. So something is wrong with this equasion.

Your hardware isn't inferior, the game is (compared to the console versions). They sacrificed performance for looks and even then there's still no AA. Its a badly coded game that can't scale for shit.(the actual game is good)

Is it your Intel CPU? (Isn't Intel faster than AMD.......)
Is it your GPU? (Isn't a 4870 faster than a 4850?)
Is it your harddrive?
Is it your OS?

Doesn't matter, hell, people running more then one card are getting even worst frames then people running a single card. Believe it or not, thats a problem.

 

[Disruptor4]

This is sorta the same plan I have...Buy a pair of 4890s when the 5000 series launch (price drop) then grab a pair of 5870s when the GT300 series launch (another price drop)...I think NVidia is a good company, but their cost of production drives their cards out of my price range...The GT300 might be more powerful than the RV870, but when I am gaming will my eyes be able to tell the $$$ difference? I think not...

Personally I don't see the point in that. You could quite easily save money if you didn't buy those 4890's and just waited for the GT300 and then got the 5870's when GT300 is released.

 

[JATownes]

Personally I don't see the point in that. You could quite easily save money if you didn't buy those 4890's and just waited for the GT300 and then got the 5870's when GT300 is released.

That is very true...(same thing my wife says) ...But then I would have to keep my 4850s for another 3-5 months...

I guess since this is my hobby, I need new toys every six months or so...what can I say, I am addicted to hardware...

 

[CDdude55]

But then I would have to keep my 4850s for another 3-5 months

So?, those are some great card. Especially for gaming.

But as i see, your addicted to hardware.lol

 

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

Make you wait a couple of more months (till it's released), and then some more (till they're adequately in stock/available). Go with (p)reviews, never fall for demos.

And lets not forget wait a couple months til the price gets reasonable

 

[Wile E]

LOL at gta4 on PS3. It was painful to watch the constant 20 fps. It does take a quad core to run worth a shit on PC, but at least the frame rate was smooth and higher. Plus the added bonus of resolution and draw distance that didn't make it look like a ps2 game.

BS. GTA4 doesn't run bad on ps3. It's perfectly smooth, even at 1080p (or is it 1080i, can't remember). I own it for both PC and ps3.

At any rate, I still can't max it on my PC because of it's extraordinary need for framebuffer. Wish I had 2GB cards. lol. Oh, and it runs better in xfire than it does in single gpu, so that's not the issue. If you get poor performance, 9 times out of 10, you have the details set too high for your amount of frame buffer, which causes it to go to system mem, which causes it to stutter. Keep it away from your framebuffer limits, and it plays smooth as silk most of the time. The other factor is your cpu. It's one of the few games that does benefit from a faster cpu. Crank a quad to the 3.5+ range, and you should be perfectly fine.

As for the 5800 series, I'll pass until either a DX11 game releases that I want, or the prices drop along the lines of what happened with the 4800 series, and I see what nv has to offer as a counter (provided I have an SLI capable board at that time).

 

[wolf]

So?, those are some great card. Especially for gaming

really? damn man! all this time Ive been running 2 in CF to heat my room!

but really is there any other use for a 4850 (not 2d/3d visuals) that takes up more than 10% of its time?

 

[Disruptor4]

That is very true...(same thing my wife says) ...But then I would have to keep my 4850s for another 3-5 months...

I guess since this is my hobby, I need new toys every six months or so...what can I say, I am addicted to hardware...

Fair enough! If that is your passion, then that is your passion. You certainly have a different way of upgrading to me and there isn't anything wrong with that.
I guess the main reason for me not upgrading is being extremely strapped for cash these days.

 

[Hayder_Master]

Maybe for you benchmarkers it will, but gaming wise it will still own for a long time.

i should be more clear i point on the new technology DX11 and new DX11 gaming maybe you see high FPS with GTX295 but no DX11 options still remember same thing when 8800 series come after 7950GX2 and we see the benchmarks we see 7950GX2 rise on DX9 but i want play on DX10 so the same story back , and about two GPU have same DX version but different GPU technology take the 9800GX2 see it is look great in benchmarks but GTX260 have better performance with gaming

 

[tkpenalty]

I can tell the card will be fast, in terms of raw pace, but when it comes to the implementation of DX11 features, they'll fall flat on their faces. DX11 is about efficiency, and consistency for coders..

 

[inferKNOX]

It looks like nvidia is very desperate

demos with no products suck ass

GT300 demos aka vapor demo in september when amd will hard launch release their RV870 Evergreen

they are dick´s

forget dx11 atleast for now and concentrate on pure power of these cards

AMD: Here are our very powerful DX11 cards...and you can buy one in two weeks at a reasonable price

NVidia: Here are our even more powerful DX11 cards, and you can buy one in 6 months, and they will cost a bazillion dollars...

AMD FTW

I'm anxious to see Nvidia fail...And hopefully either go out find decent,friendly and customer oriented officers or be bought by someone. They do make decent cards but the knuckle heads running the corporation need to go.

I bet nvidia isnt pushing any prices down, they cant afford it straight away.

Why?

They're loosing money, and they need the income, and ati goes for same launch prices as with HD4xxx.

Nvidia will loose some ground cause this early ati launch i guess, DX11 games is launched straight away btw. Grid2 is a game im looking forward to, loved grid1 ;D

AnnCore,show me your e-boobs and i'll give ya $50.

+ 1 to you all! (yes, this is monolithic no. of quotes, sorry)
LOL, I love to hear how people bash ATi about DX10.1 & DX11 because it's relatively unused as yet, but praise nVidia's PhysX which is just the same, adoption wise. It's almost like saying, why the hell would Airbus make new fuel efficient planes when there's still plenty fuel, they need to wait until there's a shortage, then act.
I hope there market share of the 2 equalises, then there'll be a real GFX war, that will become even bigger with Intel's Larabee intro!

 

[Hayder_Master]

I can tell the card will be fast, in terms of raw pace, but when it comes to the implementation of DX11 features, they'll fall flat on their faces. DX11 is about efficiency, and consistency for coders..

+1 , that's the important point

 

[jaydeejohn]

Tesselation can bring more usable power with same features, if done right. DX10.1, with the 1 less pass is also beneficial, as other things.
DX11 brings alot of usable savings with it, for more eyecandy

 

[Bjorn_Of_Iceland]

I'll just wait and see if further games up to 2011 will chug (less than 30fps average) on my current system.. other than that, its popcorn mode for moi.

 

[vagxtr]

And if in this tech demo, the GT300 is more powerful then what ATI has to offer, then I really can't see why you won't wait... unless you have ATI stamped on you brain... ATI is making a simple incremental upgrade of their existing technology, essentially upping the number of the SPUs, and doubling the ROPs... a big mistake on ATI's part, the number of ROPs should've been increased ages ago. On the other hand nVidia is changing a lot of things in it's core design, switching from SIMD to MIMD and adding DDR5 (I know ATI has it already, but nVidia will *presumably* have more bandwidth as a result of a wider bus). Their only problem is that they are keeping the monolithic design of the GPU, and this translates into higher production costs then ATI has to deal with.

ATi has it's MIMD tech since R600 and it's engine technologicaly surpass nVidias built-in dx10 tweaks (g80-g92) onto old great g70's 9.0c core base. They just tweaked great leap forward with 2005. g70 release for how long now ... 4.5years and counting. While ATi has it's 16xSIMD core under same umbrella for 2.5yrs. Their r600 architechture in fact brought up something that should suppose to be "real dx10" and all they use to negotiate with ms was that their engine comply to something called dx10.1 (and that nVidia smartly d-toured) And with only few improvements over it they build "tweaked, pumped up" dx11 core as you call it ATi's dx10 engine (r600) was so close to what we see now as more pompously dx11, and only thing it lacked was true MIMD as nVidia fancy calls it. [I really wonder what real life miracle they'll brought to world behind that abbreviation?] On the other hand that "MIMD functionality" is base for dx11 compliance and we'd already saw it (AMD's June Taipei presentation) as AMD's multi threading communication between their 16 SIMD x 5 SP core packs.

So if they didn't really f*ck us with all that hype we'll end with pretty same real life functionality just differently implemented(?) and called. And who cares about their marketing names and what they'll really call their ingenuity. It would be great that all they doesn't mock us with all that nda stuff and pretend like they really reinventing the wheel.

And about that "Evergreen" stuff .... AMD's green lot longer than nVidia It's just a petty that they killing great ATi brand and appearance. Shame on them. And how then they can still address to their performance pixie as Ruby ... while it should be more proper to call her Esmeralda to fit their new appearance.

 

[vagxtr]

If you paid $300 for a GeForce 8800 GTS-512 and don't like the idea of something twice as powerful for half its price, I don't see why you should wait.. unless you have NVIDIA stamped on you brain...

We allhoped for that steaming performance at 149USD for budget mainstream JuniperXT (RV840). But as clouds says now we'd be happy if we saw it at this price even after nVidia place some new offerings dx10.1 whatever on market. It could be another ripoff at 199USD+ like in RV350 times.

And is it true that new low end (Cedar/Redwood) ATi offerings will lack of PowerPlay features? It would be realy crappy feature that some budget card that could consume (W Cedar) <10W in 2D lacks that features. Another market ripoff (fraud?)

It's poor thing that AMD trails nVidia that put their HybridSLI on death row

 

[PP Mguire]

As for the GTA4 thing, all the points are moot.

When i DID play that poor excuse for a game i played it on my 940 @ 3.6ghz with a single 280. Ran fine for me, AND had AA with the res set to 1920x1200 and its only a 1gig card. Use Google to find out how i did it. Its not that hard really.

As for the 5870, meh. Ill wait for GT300. The 5870 didnt impress me.

 

[AsRock]

Who cares what some company stooge has to say. I hope these cards are good and fast! Competition is needed between the brands. Who wins? Who cares, as long as technology improves and prices keep low. The release of this generation of cards is nothing more than history repeating itself. Of course Nvidia will most likely be launching a card faster than ATI's DX11 cards. Why wouldn't they? History proves they will. Anyways, waiting for benchmarks. I also smell something stinky with two AMD VP's going over to work for Nvidia. You think AMD and Nvidia could be working together? I do. Keep your friends close but your enemies closer.

Yep me too it's all to convenient, and yeah i think nvidia 300 will be faster and nvidia have been nice enough to allow AMD to release there cards first this way both make tons of cash. Maybe they realize each others problems and made a deal haha.

Either way don't care as long as they do good cards for each year. And i bet nvidia's even more happier with he prices creeping back up as were going to be back to paying $350+ for a single GPU card.

 

[btarunr]

We allhoped for that steaming performance at 149USD for budget mainstream JuniperXT (RV840). But as clouds says now we'd be happy if we saw it at this price even after nVidia place some new offerings dx10.1 whatever on market. It could be another ripoff at 199USD+ like in RV350 times.

Who knows, that $149 variant (JuniperPro) could live up to that. If it doesn't, choose with your wallet. And I'm fairly sure that nobody in the press was talked to about Redwood/Cedar at lengths. So all that is someone's figment of nvidiotic imagination.