High temps and help on basic pc optimization

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[p_o_s_pc]

Reseat your heatsink and use some fresh thermal paste. Using the push pins on that cooler caused problems for me(one wouldn't lock all the way or come loose) so give that a try and see how temps are

 

[twilyth]

Reseat your heatsink and use some fresh thermal paste. Using the push pins on that cooler caused problems for me(one wouldn't lock all the way or come loose) so give that a try and see how temps are

good point. I've had that problem too and it's easy to miss. But if that were the problem, he would have one or 2 cores that were much hotter than the others - at least that's how I finally realized what was going on. His temps are pretty consistent.

edit - it's a tower case right? So the heatsink sticks out from the cpu (parallel with desk)?

 

[LoneSnake]

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Here they are

 

[LoneSnake]

good point. I've had that problem too and it's easy to miss. But if that were the problem, he would have one or 2 cores that were much hotter than the others - at least that's how I finally realized what was going on. His temps are pretty consistent.

edit - it's a tower case right? So the heatsink sticks out from the cpu (parallel with desk)?

Fish haha, does the picture say so? But I think it's a tower case yes, NZXT HUSH

 

[LoneSnake]

Reseat your heatsink and use some fresh thermal paste. Using the push pins on that cooler caused problems for me(one wouldn't lock all the way or come loose) so give that a try and see how temps are

Those pins are annoying indeed, but i don't see how reseating the whole thing would help... Thermal paste replacement, is it easy? And would you recommend me just doing it?

EDIT if I know what pin's you are talking about, haha. I think of the ones connecting the fan the the metal doobelidoo

 

[twilyth]

Those pins are annoying indeed, but i don't see how reseating the whole thing would help... Thermal paste replacement, is it easy? And would you recommend me just doing it?

EDIT if I know what pin's you are talking about, haha. I think of the ones connecting the fan the the metal doobelidoo

I'd only do that as a last resort, especially for a first timer and especially with push pins. But unless there are some other ideas, we might be there.

The push pins connect the mounting bracket for the heatsink to the motherboard. Each is a little plastic spike with rod in the center. The spike is actually 2 pieces. When you push down on the pins, that pushes out the rod and that splays (pushes out) the tips of the spike to lock it into the board.

The problem with remounting those things is
1. it's impossible to get the tips close enough together again so that you can get them all to back into the same holes at the same time. You have get 4 binder clips and some super glue (cyanoacrylate), glue the tips together (make sure rods are retracted) and hold them with the binder clips for an hour or so. Then you can wiggle them in. The shearing force of the rods being pushed down will break the bond of the glue.

2. You have to use a fair amount of force to push them down enough to lock. As long as the motherboard is properly mounted, that's not a problem, but it's going to feel wrong - like you're using too much force. If it's not properly mounted in the sense that there isn't a standoff (metal screw that 'stands off' from the case) under every mounting hole, it's possible to crack the board.

If that's you're only option, I would seriously consider calling the builder and asking him to help you out.

 

[LoneSnake]

I have just gotten a reply on a Danish forum saying that my back fan is facing wrong, making turbulence, ill shut down the monster, change direction and be back as fast as a can.. .OOPS. embarrassing

 

[twilyth]

I have just gotten a reply on a Danish forum saying that my back fan is facing wrong, making turbulence, ill shut down the monster, change direction and be back as fast as a can.. .OOPS. embarrassing

That's a good thing to do if it wasn't mounted correctly and makes me question the quality of the rest of the build - like whether or not there might in fact be a problem with the TIM paste (thermal interface material).

All my machines run in open cases - wild and free - so I don't know if that would make significant difference. I'll be interested in knowing if it does.

 

[LoneSnake]

That's a good thing to do if it wasn't mounted correctly and makes me question the quality of the rest of the build - like whether or not there might in fact be a problem with the TIM paste (thermal interface material).

All my machines run in open cases - wild and free - so I don't know if that would make significant difference. I'll be interested in knowing if it does.

I removed the side and the temps dropped app 5 degrees c
Then I faced the fan right and now the idle temps are 58 53 54 53 in CoreTemp with side on. so that helped quite a lot.
Well considering the quality, it was me who installed that fan, as the only modification on the internal hardware since i bought it. I guess I were just a tad too fast back then...

 

[twilyth]

I removed the side and the temps dropped app 5 degrees c
Then I faced the fan right and now the idle temps are 58 53 54 53 in CoreTemp with side on. so that helped quite a lot.
Well considering the quality, it was me who installed that fan, as the only modification on the internal hardware since i bought it. I guess I were just a tad too fast back then...

Oh. Sorry. Didn't mean to insult you. In your case it's an understandable mistake. It's not for a builder.

It's weird that the core temps aren't as consistent as they were before. 2-3C I think is normal but that 5C difference between 53 and 58 doesn't look right. I'm not sure though.

It certainly is a lot better. Excellent call by that other site. Maybe I should have one "normal" rig with side panels and shit just to see what it's like.

 

[LoneSnake]

Oh. Sorry. Didn't mean to insult you. In your case it's an understandable mistake. It's not for a builder.

It's weird that the core temps aren't as consistent as they were before. 2-3C I think is normal but that 5C difference between 53 and 58 doesn't look right. I'm not sure though.

It certainly is a lot better. Excellent call by that other site. Maybe I should have one "normal" rig with side panels and shit just to see what it's like.

It's no problem at all! I knew where you were going (;

Maybe, but normal doesn't have to be right!

 

[twilyth]

 

[LoneSnake]

I guess these temps are still to high for some basic overclocking or what?
Later tonight I will game some CS:S and Crysis to see how much the temps change..

 

[twilyth]

I'm maybe 70% sure that a 5C difference is very unusual if the heatsink is mounted properly. But get some other opinions to be sure. I do build or rebuild a few machines each year but I'm not a technician.

If it's not mounted correctly, then it would make sense that we see this change immediately after going inside the case - it's difficult to play around with the exhaust fan and not at least bump into the heatsink.

Try running prime95 and see if there is still a big difference. It should go up in at least a linear way.

On the other hand I vaguely remember stories about erroneous temp readings, but I would tend to trust the numbers if they are consistent from idle to load.

You can try gently, very gently, grabbing the heatsink and nudging it around a bit to see if one corner might have a little more "play" (not sure how that translates) than the others.

I might be off line in a bit but I'll check in later.

 

[twilyth]

Oh. Forgot. For oc'ing, I'm not your guy. I know you do something with the multiplier and the voltage and some other parameters that I never have and never will understand. Not to mention that they will only be available to mod in high end or high mid-range boards.

I would start with the sticky threads in the oc section and take your time. It's not too hard to fry a board. Chips require a little more effort. Plus, unless it's a really good board or you get really lucky, an oc that's stable today might not be in a couple months. Or it might still be stable but the board dies prematurely. I think I still have one with scorch marks on it.

 

[LoneSnake]

Anybody got suggestions?

 

[TheMailMan78]

Who ever built that system and sold it should be shot. The cable management is horrible.

Can you take a picture of the front of the cooler where the fan is? Also make sure ALL fans in your case are running.

Second reset the bios. I know you didn't do anything but they may have.

 

[Radical_Edward]

If you want to bring your temps down some more, work on that cable management. The way your cables are now may be hurting your airflow.

As I have show, this is the way air should move in your case. The blue arrow being cool fresh air being drawn in from the outside, the red arrows being where it is flowing hot air out of the case. See where all those cables are where the air is being drawn in? Try finding a way to manage them so they won't block as much airflow.

 

[sneekypeet]

Have you tried turning up the fan speed on the graphics card yet?

 

[LoneSnake]

Who ever built that system and sold it should be shot. The cable management is horrible.

Can you take a picture of the front of the cooler where the fan is? Also make sure ALL fans in your case are running.

Second reset the bios. I know you didn't do anything but they may have.

Could you make a brief step tutorial on reseting the BIOS? and the pic is on its way

 

[LoneSnake]

If you want to bring your temps down some more, work on that cable management. The way your cables are now may be hurting your airflow.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/Renagade_Recon/4fb50ed0.jpg

As I have show, this is the way air should move in your case. The blue arrow being cool fresh air being drawn in from the outside, the red arrows being where it is flowing hot air out of the case. See where all those cables are where the air is being drawn in? Try finding a way to manage them so they won't block as much airflow.

I'll try doing that, though these cables are really tight fitted by those apparently bad builders..

 

[Radical_Edward]

Cable management isn't that hard to do, just sit down and think about it for a bit, then go at it. I use to be terrible at it, but then, with some practice, I got the hang of it.

Edit-

Okay, so you see those red lines? Cut those two zip ties. Next, try to route all cables in the blue area to the left side of the case. (The other side.) It should be fairly easy to do. If you need any more help with this, remember to post some photos as you go. They could be very helpful.

 

[LoneSnake]

Cable management isn't that hard to do, just sit down and think about it for a bit, then go at it. I use to be terrible at it, but then, with some practice, I got the hang of it.

Edit- http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f282/Renagade_Recon/20a0f0e9.jpg

Okay, so you see those red lines? Cut those two zip ties. Next, try to route all cables in the blue area to the left side of the case. (The other side.) It should be fairly easy to do. If you need any more help with this, remember to post some photos as you go. They could be very helpful.

Oh, thank you very much, I am really overwhelmed about how much you guys help, and how fast, i'll unpluck the beast go for it and take some pic's (;

 

[Radical_Edward]

It's no big deal, it's always nice to help another TPU'er. plus, everyone has to learn sometime, so I figure it'd be better to help, then not.

Can't wait to see how it goes.