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If you have unexplained cpu usage, you should probably do a virus scan.

Malwarebytes (http://www.malwarebytes.org/) is free and well rated. You probably already have some AV software, but no package captures everything so running something like MB along with your primary is a good thing to do.

It's probably not a virus, but it never hurts to check and MB is a great program to have.
 

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Ok 64 process is high for an idle system. 14% CPU usage at idle for me is unacceptable. Restart your computer and do not open anything for about 5 minutes. This will allow all programs that are set to automatic to start. Then go here and turn off services according to the list as "safe". Just be sure to make a restore point before you start.
After that open up CCleaner and see what programs are set to "Startup". Make sure you turn off anything you do not need. Here is an example of mine.

http://img.techpowerup.org/100601/Untitled.png

As you can see I have a ton of stuff disabled. When you are done you should also. Not only may this help with your temps it WILL make your system faster. Just remember to make a restore point and if you have any questions post before you act.



my system has 80 processes at idle. its hardly excessive as many people still run programs at idle. (firefox, MSN, afterburner, afterburner OSD, rivatuner, my antivirus has a few, sound/sata/video driver tray icons have a process each)


you should always investigate CPU usage when the system should be idling, however. if you disconnect your internet and your CPU is still active, i'd take that as a bad sign.
 

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Ok 64 process is high for an idle system. 14% CPU usage at idle for me is unacceptable. Restart your computer and do not open anything for about 5 minutes. This will allow all programs that are set to automatic to start. Then go here and turn off services according to the list as "safe". Just be sure to make a restore point before you start.
After that open up CCleaner and see what programs are set to "Startup". Make sure you turn off anything you do not need. Here is an example of mine.

http://img.techpowerup.org/100601/Untitled.png

As you can see I have a ton of stuff disabled. When you are done you should also. Not only may this help with your temps it WILL make your system faster. Just remember to make a restore point and if you have any questions post before you act.

Honestly I'm a bit confused, I have no problem about the ccleaner part, did that on my other pc earlier. But that first part is looking odd to me, can you please explain. I went to that side and it looks a bit weird :eek::eek:

Haha
 
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If you have unexplained cpu usage, you should probably do a virus scan.

Malwarebytes (http://www.malwarebytes.org/) is free and well rated. You probably already have some AV software, but no package captures everything so running something like MB along with your primary is a good thing to do.

It's probably not a virus, but it never hurts to check and MB is a great program to have.

Came out with no infections :rockout:
 

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I did the CCleaner dibbilydaa and it made my startup a lot quicker, but, yea.. I have tried to do an idle and a stress read out.
Concerning the fan I am to put in front, in the 3 5.25's, do you have any recommendations on which fans and/or know any good guides or ideas for how to put it there, I guess I need something to mount in the lower and upper bays or what? Thanks :)

Edit- I see the temp diff. between core 1 and the other 3, dropped under stress.. Is this normal, good sign, bad sign :D
And BTW, it seems odd to me the very different MHz readings in CoreTemp and RealTemp. Especially because it's a 2,5 GHz...


 

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its normal for them to even out under stress. Temps really don't look all that bad.
 

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its normal for them to even out under stress. Temps really don't look all that bad.

Thanks, okay. So I don't have to stress that extra fan? And how about that 5C gap, should I just look passed it? And last, how about those MHz readings, are they just fail-readings? :roll:
 
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If you had a chance to gently nudge the heatsink and it felt equally secure at all 4 corners, then the 5C difference could be a few things. Did you say that it was core0 with the highest temp? If so, then maybe it is because that is the default core for the runnning processes. Still seems strange, but IDK.

If not, then it could just be that the thermal paste wasn't applied properly. At some point when you're more comfortable, you can come back to this and re-do it.

At that point, most people here will recommend that you get an after-market fan with a back plate. You mount the back plate to the back of the mobo and the bracket to the front. Then you secure it with 4 screws.

It's more time consuming since you have to take out the mobo, but you won't have to worry about whether or not the push pins are doing their job.

btw, the different might also be due to one push pin being a little looser than the others. That combined with having a tower case where gravity is always pulling on the heatsink could be another explanation.

for now, as long as you're not going to go too wild oc'ing, it should be ok.

I don't know why the difference is less under load. You would think that it would be linear or maybe slightly non-linear with a positive slope. That's pretty interesting - at least to me. Maybe the metal cap on the chip (IHS - integrated heat sink) distributes the extra heat better - if that even makes any sense.

For fans, I like Scythe, but I think Loons are the over all favorite. Scythes are very quiet (most of them) but still move a lot of air. Check the decibel specs. For well know manufacturers, I think the numbers will be pretty accurate.

Good air flow through the case is important, but you would probably get a bigger decrease in temps by adding another fan to the heatsink. I think it's called a push-pull configuration where one fan pushes air through the HS and the other pulls it out.

You might not have room though from looking at the pics. The current HS fan looks like it's the 38mm (depth) variety.
 

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If you had a chance to gently nudge the heatsink and it felt equally secure at all 4 corners, then the 5C difference could be a few things. Did you say that it was core0 with the highest temp? If so, then maybe it is because that is the default core for the runnning processes. Still seems strange, but IDK.

If not, then it could just be that the thermal paste wasn't applied properly. At some point when you're more comfortable, you can come back to this and re-do it.

At that point, most people here will recommend that you get an after-market fan with a back plate. You mount the back plate to the back of the mobo and the bracket to the front. Then you secure it with 4 screws.

It's more time consuming since you have to take out the mobo, but you won't have to worry about whether or not the push pins are doing their job.

btw, the different might also be due to one push pin being a little looser than the others. That combined with having a tower case where gravity is always pulling on the heatsink could be another explanation.

for now, as long as you're not going to go too wild oc'ing, it should be ok.

I don't know why the difference is less under load. You would think that it would be linear or maybe slightly non-linear with a positive slope. That's pretty interesting - at least to me. Maybe the metal cap on the chip (IHS - integrated heat sink) distributes the extra heat better - if that even makes any sense.

For fans, I like Scythe, but I think Loons are the over all favorite. Scythes are very quiet (most of them) but still move a lot of air. Check the decibel specs. For well know manufacturers, I think the numbers will be pretty accurate.

Good air flow through the case is important, but you would probably get a bigger decrease in temps by adding another fan to the heatsink. I think it's called a push-pull configuration where one fan pushes air through the HS and the other pulls it out.

You might not have room though from looking at the pics. The current HS fan looks like it's the 38mm (depth) variety.

Thank you for the nice reply!! :toast:

I think that i for now will stick with this Cooler if those 5C doesn't affect my system too much, as i am going to the states to study for a year in about a month and won't bring my rig. I just got my Spray can :rockout: and will now turn off my pc, let it cool, do some cleaning and see if it moves the temps, though I don't think, because the CPU cooler is quite clean, but let's see :pimp:

So please, guys :) What would the next step be in my little low-budget project? Cable management or are the temps still too high? :)
 
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Those temps are okay. Some more cable management wouldn't hurt. But it's quite a bit better than before, and seeing as your case don't have a side window, you don't need to hide your cables from view. You just need to make it so they don't effect your airflow, that's all.
 

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Those temps are okay. Some more cable management wouldn't hurt. But it's quite a bit better than before, and seeing as your case don't have a side window, you don't need to hide your cables from view. You just need to make it so they don't effect your airflow, that's all.

Okay, as I can see now, they aren't really blocking for any airflow, but if anybody disagree, please speak up. :respect:
 
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i am going to the states to study for a year in about a month

If you don't mind telling people where you will heading, think about starting a thread and making that announcement. I'm sure there are TPU members all over the country and you'd probably find at least a few from where you are going who would like to meet up.

Just a thought.
 

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If you don't mind telling people where you will heading, think about starting a thread and making that announcement. I'm sure there are TPU members all over the country and you'd probably find at least a few from where you are going who would like to meet up.

Just a thought.


I like the social thoughts :) Though I don't think that i'm gonna make a new thread announcing it, but I am going to Oconto Falls, WI If any body in here are interested. But as I said, I unfortunately won't be bringing my Jesus (PC) partially because of the excessive weight (I will have some different carriers, especially domestically in the US, and they charge for each transition) and partially because I simply aren't gonna have all that extra time, though I guess I'm gonna buy a killer laptop, so I can still game a bit (;

Edit- By mentioning the name Jesus, no kinds of religious discussion, offending, or commenting were intended. I just like to call my rig names; Monster, Jesus, Beast. etc. (;
 

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Thanks, okay. So I don't have to stress that extra fan? And how about that 5C gap, should I just look passed it? And last, how about those MHz readings, are they just fail-readings? :roll:

the programs can be alittle buggy sometimes. Don't worry about the temp gap my i7 under water cooling and even air cooling has a 8c gap. :toast:
 

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the programs can be alittle buggy sometimes. Don't worry about the temp gap my i7 under water cooling and even air cooling has a 8c gap. :toast:

Oh, okay. Thanks :)

But I guess. and please bear with me if not, that my pc is ready for some minor, basic I guess OC'ing, but more like optimization. Does anyone have any suggestions, other than reading the stickies, I will, but maybe someone is up for a little personal help, as I just want minor improvements.

Thank you! All of You guys really rocks!! :respect:
 
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Since i just fried another mobo and/or chip (see here), you should probably ignore me.
 

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Since i just fried another mobo and/or chip (see here), you should probably ignore me.

:shadedshu :shadedshu

Haha, I guess I will, maybe I should make a new thread, I have just been so happy with the help in this one :ohwell:
 
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