The AMD Phenom II OC'ers Club

[Mussels]

i got mine to 3.6Ghz so easy and just left it there, i'll aim higher when i get a better mobo.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

yeah, that would probably do the trick! me myself cant do much about my clocks, the proc is my main problem with that! needs too much cold to scale effectively, in fact it needs so much cold,that best would be to have it below 0 degrees celsius.
i tend to think its in fact an LN2 high leakage proc! its much hotter than all phenoms i ever came across, undervolts very good, and i was able to validate it up to 4217mhz, but only, after my room ambient went under 10c celsius (i opened the windows for this, when there was much snow and cold outside, and freezed my ass off therefore )
Before, with about 15c ambient, it wasnt able to crack the 4.2, but got 4ghz stable with 50 linx runs. at 29c max load temps the socket temperature even was under 20
The trend of loving cold doesnt stop on this proc, like it does on other procs mostly. i did get me a gigantic rad, which even in Winter and normal ambient gets OVERSATURATED by the proc still! each fan i added brought me another 1-2c off the load temps
Sounds highly like an LN2/Dice or Phase victim, does it?

 

[johnnyfiive]

So the 890FXA0-GD70 is definitely a nice board, but would it have hurt MSI to put more ferrit chokes on the board... 4+1 design is holding this thing back big time.

I had to put a 87cfm fan over the PWN area so it would pass a simple 5 pass linpack run. It's not the CPU, its not the voltages.... its the damn PWM.

4.2GHz, 1.38v idle, 1.42v load.

 

[cdawall]

trying to cool my phenom down

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=124608

 

[Zubasa]

So the 890FXA0-GD70 is definitely a nice board, but would it have hurt MSI to put more ferrit chokes on the board... 4+1 design is holding this thing back big time.

I had to put a 87cfm fan over the PWN area so it would pass a simple 5 pass linpack run. It's not the CPU, its not the voltages.... its the damn PWM.

4.2GHz, 1.38v idle, 1.42v load.

Just wondering, what makes you think that the 4+1 Phases are holding you back?

Good Read:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/MSI-890FXA-GD70-Motherboard/1023/5
"Comparing only the number of phases is unfair, though. Each phase from this motherboard switches at a higher frequency (1 GHz instead of 250 MHz) and has a lower switching loss, resulting in a higher efficiency and lower operating temperature. This is achieved by using an integrated circuit (Renesas R2J20604) called DrMOS instead of discrete transistors. According to MSI each DrMOS phase is equivalent of four regular phases, so the “4+1” configuration used by this motherboard is comparable to a “16+4” configuration using the standard voltage regulator architecture used by competing products."

 

[johnnyfiive]

trying to cool my phenom down

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=124608

ooo nice cda!

Just wondering, what makes you think that the 4+1 Phases are holding you back?

Good Read:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/MSI-890FXA-GD70-Motherboard/1023/5
"Comparing only the number of phases is unfair, though. Each phase from this motherboard switches at a higher frequency (1 GHz instead of 250 MHz) and has a lower switching loss, resulting in a higher efficiency and lower operating temperature. This is achieved by using an integrated circuit (Renesas R2J20604) called DrMOS instead of discrete transistors. According to MSI each DrMOS phase is equivalent of four regular phases, so the “4+1” configuration used by this motherboard is comparable to a “16+4” configuration using the standard voltage regulator architecture used by competing products."

Well, maybe not the phases themselves, but the heat output definitely held it back. Usually lower temps come with more chokes due to even distribution but thats not always the case. Until I can verify the "limited" chokes are causing the instability, I'd have to say for sure the temps are a culprit for now.

 

[Zubasa]

Well, maybe not the phases themselves, but the heat output definitely held it back. Usually lower temps come with more chokes due to even distribution but thats not always the case. Until I can verify the "limited" chokes are causing the instability, I'd have to say for sure the temps are a culprit for now.

Can't argue with that
Heat is always our enermy

TBH this board is already a lot cooler than the VRM on my 8+2 phase Giga.

 

[inferKNOX]

I've been trying to push my (what now seems backward) little baby up to about 3.8 from 3.6 now that I replaced my ZEROTherm Nirvana 120 with a Prolimatech Mega Shadow, but for the life of me can't get it stable in Cinebench R10 despite being Super PI 32M stable. Is it Cinebench or me? I have a feeling it's the latter.
Going back to 1.9 BIOS (it has always been stable for me) and going to try Prime95 @ 3.8 up to a max of 1.4V, if it needs higher, I'll dial the clock back to 3.7 and work on getting that rock stable instead (don't like high volts).

Any suggestions are welcome. (check my specs for current OC info)

Oh how I wish for a 1090T with the 890FXA-GD70...
Getting a 890FXA-GD70, but will probably have to stick with 965 at most. :/

 

[eidairaman1]

Send a Comment into MSI USA or the Global about the design.

So the 890FXA0-GD70 is definitely a nice board, but would it have hurt MSI to put more ferrit chokes on the board... 4+1 design is holding this thing back big time.

I had to put a 87cfm fan over the PWN area so it would pass a simple 5 pass linpack run. It's not the CPU, its not the voltages.... its the damn PWM.

http://img.techpowerup.org/100616/Capture013.jpg

4.2GHz, 1.38v idle, 1.42v load.

 

[Hunt3r]

So the 890FXA0-GD70 is definitely a nice board, but would it have hurt MSI to put more ferrit chokes on the board... 4+1 design is holding this thing back big time.

I had to put a 87cfm fan over the PWN area so it would pass a simple 5 pass linpack run. It's not the CPU, its not the voltages.... its the damn PWM.

http://img.techpowerup.org/100616/Capture013.jpg

4.2GHz, 1.38v idle, 1.42v load.

1.3v

very good

 

[johnnyfiive]

1.3v

very good

CPU-Z doesn't report proper voltages on the 890FXA-GD70, actual CPU voltage is 1.38v idle and 1.42v load at 4.2 21x200. For 4.0 it needs about 1.38-1.4v.

 

[johnnyfiive]

Send a Comment into MSI USA or the Global about the design.

Thats the plan, I'm curious why it gets so hot to begin with, its very warm to the touch. I need to invest in a IR thermometer.

 

[mastrdrver]

Anyone have any idea where to get a bios chip for a MSI NF980-G65? I got pissed last night and bricked the board. :shadedshu

No bios flashing after 2 am for me anymore.

On another subject for those of you with a 890FX board: What is the default voltage for the northbridge?

 

[erocker]

Anyone have any idea where to get a bios chip for a MSI NF980-G65? I got pissed last night and bricked the board. :shadedshu

No bios flashing after 2 am for me anymore.

On another subject for those of you with a 890FX board: What is the default voltage for the northbridge?

Here you go! http://www.biosman.com/

 

[fullinfusion]

Anyone have any idea where to get a bios chip for a MSI NF980-G65? I got pissed last night and bricked the board. :shadedshu

No bios flashing after 2 am for me anymore.

On another subject for those of you with a 890FX board: What is the default voltage for the northbridge?

I thought MSI had a Dual boot cmos chip to combat bad flashes?

 

[brandonwh64]

Anyone have any idea where to get a bios chip for a MSI NF980-G65? I got pissed last night and bricked the board. :shadedshu

No bios flashing after 2 am for me anymore.

On another subject for those of you with a 890FX board: What is the default voltage for the northbridge?

Seems your bios is soldered on

http://cgi.ebay.com/BIOS-Chip-MSI-770-C35-770-C45-NF980-G65-/260471138648?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motherboards&hash=item3ca54a2958

 

[mastrdrver]

I thought MSI had a Dual boot cmos chip to combat bad flashes?

No, they have some usb thing. Idk, I'll try messing with it cause I just got pissed this morning and just swapped it out. I don't remember if I still had my flash drive in. The way the thing talks about it on their site is that if you eff up you can recover, but you have to have it set on booting bios from usb stick. A lot of good that does when you can't even get past boot.

Seems your bios is soldered on

http://cgi.ebay.com/BIOS-Chip-MSI-770-C35-770-C45-NF980-G65-/260471138648?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motherboards&hash=item3ca54a2958

Are you suggesting it will be a challenge if I need to put a new one on? I've been soldier since I was 3 or 4, this is childs play. I'm just glad I didn't pay a lot for the board. That would have realllllly sucked.

 

[brandonwh64]

No, they have some usb thing. Idk, I'll try messing with it cause I just got pissed this morning and just swapped it out. I don't remember if I still had my flash drive in. The way the thing talks about it on their site is that if you eff up you can recover, but you have to have it set on booting bios from usb stick. A lot of good that does when you can't even get past boot.



Are you suggesting it will be a challenge if I need to put a new one on? I've been soldier since I was 3 or 4, this is childs play. I'm just glad I didn't pay a lot for the board. That would have realllllly sucked.

You would be better off trying the USB flash thing but your soldering skills would probly be real helpful as well.

 

[mastrdrver]

Yea that's a last resort thing. I would need to wait until I can take it back to my parents and have my dad help too just to make sure I don't f it up even more.

Had skills back then, though, its been a long time since I was 3-4.

 

[brandonwh64]

Yea that's a last resort thing. I would need to wait until I can take it back to my parents and have my dad help too just to make sure I don't f it up even more.

Had skills back then, though, its been a long time since I was 3-4.

Ive been soldering alot too but still not getting a good.

 

[johnnyfiive]

Just going for max overclock, nevermind the memory timings.

 

[cdawall]

only downside is according to chew* it doesn't matter what the clockspeed says the MSI boards have weak IPC :/

great clockspeed though i wanna see some benchmarks and remember the thu8ban comp is still going on link is in my siggy

 

[mastrdrver]

only downside is according to chew* it doesn't matter what the clockspeed says the MSI boards have weak IPC :/

I'll agree to that. I've ran same cpus and ram on a 790gx msi. While my Gigabyte board just pisses me off sometimes in how it refuses to push the same memory, clock for clock that 790fx is still faster even with the slower timings. I'm trying to get a 890gx msi up and running with the same setup. So we'll see if anything has changed though the memory is clocking the same so I'm expecting similar results to the 790gx.

With that said, in everyday stuff and gaming, I doubt you'd see a difference. Only thing I can think of that might see a noticeable difference would be some memory intensive stuff cause that is where I see it show up in benches.

 

[cdawall]

I'll agree to that. I've ran same cpus and ram on a 790gx msi. While my Gigabyte board just pisses me off sometimes in how it refuses to push the same memory, clock for clock that 790fx is still faster even with the slower timings. I'm trying to get a 890gx msi up and running with the same setup. So we'll see if anything has changed though the memory is clocking the same so I'm expecting similar results to the 790gx.

With that said, in everyday stuff and gaming, I doubt you'd see a difference. Only thing I can think of that might see a noticeable difference would be some memory intensive stuff cause that is where I see it show up in benches.

whole clock for clock is weaker on MSI thats why i haven't been getting them sticking to the Asus boards for now...gave ECS a try but shoddy BIOS flashing killed that...

 

[mastrdrver]

Yea personally I'll hold out for Asus or Gigabyte. Like I said though, benches are the only thing that really show anything is there. I'd be surprised if most noticed it in day to day.

Now I just run across the 890GXM thread over on XS and [H] about this board dying with the 6 cores. That was one of the main reasons I got this one, though got it fairly cheap so not really disappointed.